More proof for talk-radio hosts that abortion issues are relevant at state and local level

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This goes out to all the talk-radio hosts who were trying to say, during the recall election, that abortion issues are irrelevant to state and local politicians.

The Albuquerque Journal reports:

Albuquerque city councilors narrowly agreed late Monday to send the proposed abortion ordinance to voters in a special election this fall.

The council voted 5-4 to schedule the election for Nov. 19, which is also the tentative date for a runoff election in city races, if one is needed.

The proposed ordinance would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with narrow exceptions for cases in which the woman’s life is in danger.

Anti-abortion activists collected over 12,000 signatures to force the Council to put the measure on the ballot. Whether the law holds up in court, it's more proof that abortion politics can play out at all levels of government.

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  1. fishingblues says:

    The only way the abortion issue will be solved is to take out both radical sides.

    Solution: All abortions legal in the first trimester.  No abortions legal in the third trimester, except for the imminent death of the mother.  The specifics of the second trimester to be decided by a group of rational women representing both sides of the issue.  Everyone else – shut the fuck up.

    Let us get on with attempting to solve serious problems.  Abortion is not one of them.  


    • ClubTwitty says:

      But what about eggs?  You don't care about eggs?  Bad. Bad. Bad. Faux-Republican.  St. Ronald Reagan is going to smite you good.  Get out of the TENT now! 

      • fishingblues says:

        Twit – I care about eggs over easy, with home fries and a side of bacon.

        Reagan – best president of the last 100 years.  Next up – Jack Kennedy.  A more distant tie for third:  Eisenhower and Clinton.  

        Gosh twit, two Dems and two GOP.  I bet you are not so open minded. 



    • DavieDavie says:

      Let us get on with attempting to solve serious problems.  Abortion is not one of them.

      Let me guess — it's not important to you because, um, you've never needed one?

      Good luck finding a registered Republican that buys your "Solution".

      Everyone else – shut the fuck up.

      Nice management style — that probably got you very far in life.  We all need a good dictator to run our lives for us.  Thanks

  2. ajb says:

    Wait. Weren't you pissing and moaning about death panels earlier? 


  3. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    FB,  Women who wait to get 2nd trimester abortions tend to be women with fewer choices.

    From the study:

    Of all women surveyed, 10.3 percent had abortions after the first trimester. These women were more likely to be young, black, less educated and living in poverty than women who had earlier abortions. They were also more likely to have experienced violence at the hands of the man who got them pregnant and to have dealt with at least three serious life events in the last year.

    Physical abuse or rape by a partner increased the likelihood of later abortion, with 13.7 percent of abortion patients who'd experienced second-trimester procedures (compared with 10 percent of women who hadn't). Other disruptive life events — loss of a job or a partner, for example — were likewise linked to later abortions. Of abortion patients who'd experienced three disruptive events in the last year, 14.8 percent got later-term abortions.

    Additionally, with all of the GOP riding the abortion crusade to suck up the Right to Life $$ in their districts, abortion clinics are closing, in several states. So women who do need this procedure are having to travel further and to wait longer, perhaps even into the 2nd and 3rd trimesters. And there is, of course, the waffling on birth control availability. Our two newest Colorado Senators have both indicated, by questionnaire or by petition signature, that they are for fetal "personhood", which indicates that a fertilized egg is a person. If this became law, common birth control , i.e. "the pill" and IUD devices would become illegal. This would only be good news for Mexican pharmacists, and for the Gosnell clinics of the world.

    That's why we keep it as a matter between a woman and her doctor.

  4. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    Unfortunately, Davie, George Rivera and Bernie Herpin  will be sworn in January 8,2014, at the start of the next Legislative session.  as our newest Colorado Senators. Senators Giron and Morse were recalled, like it or not. Personally, I hate it.

    Hopefully, the damage they can do will be limited by the Senate Democratic majority, and they will be soundly defeated in 2014.

    • DavieDavie says:

      Ah, sorry.  I was thinking U.S. Senate.  I'd moved on a bit too quickly from local politics.

      My apologies.  Up here in the Denver Metro area, we aren't quite yet inflicted with the loons.  Working to get rid of Coffman in my district next year, and supporting Udall.

  5. BlueCatBlueCat says:

    Have you heard the new Pope's comments? He says the church has become too obsessed with abortion, homosexuality and contraception. He says it's time to focus on other stuff, like being a big tent church and social justice, helping the poor, comforting people and asking why so many lapsed Catholics left. He talks like an actual human being and a compassionate one. He admits that he was too strictly doctrinaire in his younger years. I forget what question it was, I think it was about gays, but at one point he answered "Who am I to judge?" My gut reaction was… are you kidding? You're the f*&#ing Pope. Whoever heard of a Pope saying such a thing in an interview? He also said he has been criticized for not talking enough about abortion, etc. and said you can't talk about those things all the time. You have to talk about a lot of other stuff, too.

    What any given Pope says or doesn't say has never really mattered much to me. Not a big fan. I thank God every day for letting me be born into a mainly secular Jewish family. But this one is adorable. Seems like a lot of Bishops and such are going to have to do some priority revamping under the new regime.. And he looks young and healthy enough to around a while, knock wood. Did all those old men in skirts know what they were getting when they elected this guy?

  6. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    I really like this Pope, too. His heart's definitely in the right place.  He's a Jesuit, and they are basically reality-and -science based scholars. Full disclosure: I went to a Jesuit university.

     It will be interesting to see how much his leadership changes the basic structure of the Catholic church. Where the rubber will meet the road is on the Catholic Church's investments.   Some Catholic hospitals want to get the subsidies and perks from the Affordable Care Act, while denying coverage for abortion and birth control. 

    I haven't even been following that issue lately – does anyone know how it was resolved? 

    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

      The final deal, though as I recall the Church was far from fine with it, is explained clearly here. The institutions themselves would not have to pay for the coverage they object to but it would be in a separate policy at no cost to the institutions.

      Of course basic public universal coverage, not connected with employment, would solve the problem of anyone having to be subject to the beliefs of any employer or any employer being in the position of making decisions affecting employees' health coverage based on personal beliefs. Why should any of this be an employer's business in the first place?

  7. dwyer says:


    It was mj55 who said that she thought the emphasis on Rivera’s belief in personhood was a waste of resources or even counterproductive, perhaps, in the Pueblo recall. I am paraphrasing.

    Abortion may still be an issue in election politics, but it may not always cut positively for Democrats, particularly on the 20 week ban.  Here is a link from a Nat Silver article from the NY Times back in July.

    • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

      @Dwyer – I just thought that the personhood thing was over emphasized in the Pueblo anti-recall effort. I must have gotten 7 or 8 expensive glossy mailers, most with indignant or sad women, mad at George Rivera for signing the damn personhood petition. That's because the Democratically-funded push poll said that was what would catch fire with Pueblo voters. I am pro-choice, emphatically so, but I think that Senator Giron would have been better served by also addressing some of the other issues of the recall: gun legislation, which was addressed early on until national leadership told us to stop talking about it, water rights, immigrant rights etc.  Giron was an excellent and dynamic leader in the Senate, and limiting the discussion to one or two issues didn't serve her well. But the off-year election cycle and suppression of mail in ballots were the decisive factors in the recall.

      The recall people funded a similar push poll that found that emphasizing supposed corruption on Giron's part would resonate – so they put out the same stupid debunked ad showing someone handing $ to a picketer. Over and over the last weeks before Sep 10. But I guess it did resonate, apparently.

      Anyway, I think that abortion and birth control are best addressed in context of poverty, choices, health – their real world contexts.

  8. dwyer says:



    I hope that I did not misquote or misinterpret what you had said.  I think that the reproductive choice issue resonates with the electorate when the Republican candidate has really said something stupid or when he/she actively supports restrictions on reproductive choice. 

    I didn't realize that Rivera had signed the personhood petition.  I thought that he had just filled out a Right-to-Life questionnaire indicating that he believed a person existed from conception forward.  The latter is a personal religious belief held by most practicing catholics that does not necessarily translate into wanting to support legislation to put their religious belief into law.

    I appreciate your take on what the focus should have been in the recall campaign.

    Even though, Giron got a lot of advice and money from outside sources, ultimately she made the decisions for her campaign.

  9. dwyer says:

    The Catholic Church hierarchy is contesting the requirement that as an employer they must provide insurance that somehow covers birth control, even if the church does not directly pay.  They are not accepting the final regulations out of HHS.The case is still in the courts, moving forward and not resolved.

     Hobby Lobby, a non-catholic, but christian owned for profit corporation,  got a court ruling in August that allowed it to pursue its legal case against the federal birth control mandate:

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