Colorado Pols - caught in the act spinning for Bennet

You are weird.

 I defer to Co Pols to either respond or ignore you.  Oddly I've been one their wavelength lately.

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by: MADCO @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:25:14 AM UTC

really MADCO?

well you're a fucking moron.  But hey -- whatever.

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too

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by: StrykerK2 @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:40:57 AM UTC

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you are mean.

And it's been well established by bumper sticker-pedia that Mean People Suck.

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by: MADCO @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:23:16 AM UTC

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Gee Stryker

That really helps your candidate bring in votes.

Buck Stops Here.

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by: peacemonger @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 14:37:59 PM UTC

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That's the amusing thing about StrykerK2 and Wade, it's one

thing to support a candidate, but the wayb they attack Bennet and his supporters only hurts Romanoff in the long run. Guees it won't matter after he loses the primary.

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by: denverco @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 18:56:08 PM UTC

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you wish

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by: wade norris @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 19:23:14 PM UTC

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It's a great article Wade

So therefore wait for Pols to delete it, Bennet supporters to try and change the subject to talk about something else, Bennet supporters to attack you or Bennet supporters to laugh at you and call you dumb even though they know you're right and they don't want to admit it.  

Michael Bennet is the clear choice for our United States Senator. Buck off Buck!

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by: TheGreatAndPowerfulOz @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:30:34 AM UTC

Pols will probably just ignore

I doubt they will delete.  Or, they may give some random bullshit explanation like "well that's not really what we meant...but...umm...Romanoff sucks"

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too

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by: StrykerK2 @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:49:36 AM UTC

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Valid point

That is exactly what they'll do. Or ignore.

Either/or.

Michael Bennet is the clear choice for our United States Senator. Buck off Buck!

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by: TheGreatAndPowerfulOz @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:58:20 AM UTC

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Or maybe we'll just ask the question he posed -- "What happened?"

This is what happened.

When Andrew first threw his hat in the ring, people all over CO said, "This is kind of crazy timing, but we do love Andrew Romanoff, and this Bennet guy is great. If I go with Bennet, I'll still be nice to Andrew, because we might need him to run for Governor or something else".

Then, as the campaign progressed, shills like JO, Oz, Stryker, O'Toole and others were so nasty, so vile, so rude, that people like me said, "Hey, if Andrew is such a good guy, why does he let these people pollute the blogs with their hate-speech?"

Then, Andrew became the author of the hate-speech. He released commercials on television that were so slanderous, so fictional and so nasty that every major newspaper and television station in CO denounced them as such. We all saw the REAL ANDREW. End of respect for Andrew Romanoff.

That's what happened.  

Buck Stops Here.

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by: peacemonger @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 14:43:46 PM UTC

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nice sig line PM

Let's look at your argument

shills like JO, Oz, Stryker, O'Toole and others were so nasty, so vile, so rude, that people like me said, "Hey, if Andrew is such a good guy, why does he let these people pollute the blogs with their hate-speech?"

CoPols wrote it's first negative Romanoff piece Oct. 20, 2009

Vote Romanoff for Senate - He's a Nice Guy and All (+)
by: Colorado Pols
Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:37:52 AM MDT

http://www.coloradopols.com/di...

Many of the people you list were not even members of the site at that time

StrykerK2
Created: Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 15:49:47 PM MST

And, Andrew did not start any type of advertising until the summer of 2010 - and the negative ads were in the late summer.
So your claim that

"others were so nasty, so vile, so rude, that people like me said, "Hey, if Andrew is such a good guy, why does he let these people pollute the blogs with their hate-speech?"

People like you or you?
In fact on Oct.20,2009 in that first anti-Romanoff diary, you posted this

This year, CO has a progressive Senator in Michael Bennet, who also happens to be respected for his financial smarts.  CO has no need to support a challenger.  That is a whole lot different than 2008.

Tancredo/Marceaux 2010

"No fringe on flags."
by: peacemonger @ Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 00:37:18 AM MDT

maybe i should change this diary to
"peacemonger caught in the act spinning for Bennet"
 

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by: wade norris @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 15:38:16 PM UTC

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I love that you people spend so much time attacking a blog

Every minute you spend dicking around on blogs is another minute lost to chase ballots.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy

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by: ThillyWabbit @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:57:54 AM UTC

And there goes the subject change.

Thanks Wabbit, way to break the ice.  

Michael Bennet is the clear choice for our United States Senator. Buck off Buck!

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by: TheGreatAndPowerfulOz @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 02:59:12 AM UTC

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So it isn't fair

to ask Wade why he didn't post more videos in this diary?

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues

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by: RedGreen @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:01:43 AM UTC

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Oh, goody

Oz has molted and is posting again.  

Buck Stops Here.

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by: peacemonger @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:19:03 AM UTC

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"Wannabe Wizards" don't molt

Phoenixes do.

And thanks for once again proving what a class act you are monger.  

Michael Bennet is the clear choice for our United States Senator. Buck off Buck!

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by: TheGreatAndPowerfulOz @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 at 02:10:27 AM UTC

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guess we could change the subject if you really want to:

how about this subject?

NYT Unloads Devastating Story About Bennet/Wall Street Rip-Off of Denver Public Schools

Michael F. Bennet, now a United States senator from Colorado who was superintendent of the school system at the time, and Thomas Boasberg, then the system's chief operating officer, persuaded the seven-person board of the deal's advantages, according to interviews with its members.

Since it struck the deal, the school system has paid $115 million in interest and other fees, at least $25 million more than it originally anticipated.

To avoid mounting expenses, the Denver schools are looking to renegotiate the deal. But to unwind it all, the schools would have to pay the banks $81 million in termination fees, or about 19 percent of its $420 million payroll.

John MacPherson, a former interim executive director of the Denver Public Schools Retirement System, predicts that the 2008 deal will generate big costs to the school system down the road. "There is no happy ending to this," Mr. MacPherson said. "Hindsight being 20-20, the pension certificates issuance is something that should never have happened."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08...

how's that?

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by: wade norris @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:15:00 AM UTC

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Ok- now we're onto something cool.

The Denver certificates contained debt issues that had variable rates and were to be resold to investors in weekly auctions; the arrangement carried an annual interest rate of around 5 percent, not counting fees and costs associated with that type of debt. Fixed-rate debt would have cost 7.2 percent.

Wow. Even if the fees were over 2%  annualized- sounds like a push.

In the end, a deal that JPMorgan said would have an interest rate of around 5 percent spiked to 8.59 percent during its first fiscal year, and has since settled down to an average rate of 7.12 percent today.

Averaging 7.12.

Hmmp - sounds just about the same as the fixed rate would have been.

Oh- it is just about the same

While it is possible that the annual costs of the Denver deal will come down in the future, they are now roughly in line with what the school system would have paid in a fixed-rate transaction.

So it sounds like the DPS projected it could save big money. Instead it saved far less than was projected- saving just a little instead of the big savings that was forecast.

Wow- I bet Bennet is proud of this.

From the campaign trail in mid-July, Mr. Bennet reiterated his support of the deal, saying that it had achieved the school system's goal of improving its cash flow and merging with Colorado's Public Employees' Retirement Association, which meant the schools no longer had to pay 8.5 percent interest on its annual pension shortfall.

"Despite going through the worst recession since the Great Depression, we did that," he said in a statement.

I would be proud too.
I structured something  sort of like this for a corporate investor once. Not as big, but in multiple currencies so a little more complex.  It didn't do as well as the forecast, totally my fault,   but it did ok.  Ok enough that the international portfolio we were managing was able to double twice in two years.  We had been aiming for one year and we would have made it in less than a year but for Enron's collapse temporarily screwing up our access to credit.  At our annual meeting I showed the original forecast - and the credit terms that were directly impacted by Enron.  I agreed with the room that I was not smart enough to have predicted Enron's collapse since I never understood howthehell they were making so much money any way.

So- in the DPS deal, we have a forecast to save a ton of cash. Instead, DPS saves very little. Because the forecast didn't predict the worst recession since the Great  Depression and the corresponding bank and credit market failures DPS just about breaks even.  Ok.

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by: MADCO @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:58:19 AM UTC

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Wow, the collective team of Colorado Pols

flip-flopped. Good thing they are not running for Senator, huh?  

Buck Stops Here.

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by: peacemonger @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 03:18:13 AM UTC

nah they just claim to be a news source

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too

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by: StrykerK2 @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:49:07 AM UTC

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Boy, you really nailed us Wade

As the world of politics changed over the last 18 months, our analysis also changed. That's so weird.

You're absolutely right. We should have formulated just one analysis and opinion about everything, and stuck to  that no matter what happens in the world. Things change, but blogs should NEVER change! NEVERRR!!!

And yes, we totally agree with you on the last point. If a Democrat is not elected to the Senate, it will all be because of Colorado Pols. Even though we've already "jumped the shark" a dozen times this year and are no longer relevant in politics.

 

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by: Colorado Pols @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:05:08 AM UTC

nice try again CoPols

it is clear from the cited and linked comments made by the editors running this site,
they thought Ritter made a grave mistake picking an unknown like Bennet over Perlmutter, Hickenlooper, and Romanoff.

Furthermore, it was just 11 months ago that you were calling into question Bennet's terrible mismanagement of the opportunity he had to prevent a primary from Romanoff:

Bennet Scramble to Show Democratic Bonafides Too Little, Too Late (+)
  by: Colorado Pols
  Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 14:10:43 PM MDT
If Bennet had come out early for the public option and supported EFCA in some form -- even if just a promise to vote for cloture, which is all Udall has done -- then there's a good chance that Romanoff never would have had the groundswell of support behind him to justify a primary challenge.

You said just today

As for debunking the Romanoff "disadvantage"
Any disadvantage he had in this Primary was his own doing. We discussed this many times in the last 18 months. Nobody forced Romanoff to wait until August to announce his candidacy, by which time he was already millions of dollars behind in fundraising.

We discussed this many times in the last 18 months

um, hell no you didn't. In September you were citing reasons why Bennet was not doing more to stop the primary.
18 months ago you were assailing Ritter:

Ritter could have chosen a lot of people who had strong name ID and weren't just known as "Denver people," but he didn't. He chose Michael Bennet.

And 17 months ago it was

While Democrats like Rep. Ed Perlmutter and former House Speaker Andrew Romanoff were warmly received on Saturday, others didn't even know who Bennet was. And these are Democrats. Active Democrats. If they don't know who Bennet is, and if he doesn't have the natural charisma to carry a small room, then how is he going to win a statewide election in 2010?

If this was a respectable newspaper - you would print some kind of retraction/correction.
This is one example of how the blogs are actually less credible than a newspaper, because you editors can hide behind anonymity and write one thing one day and another the next and not have to account for anything.

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by: wade norris @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:19:47 AM UTC

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Have you really

memorized everything posted on here over the last 18 months? If I spilled a box of wooden matches, could you tell me how many there were?

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues

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by: RedGreen @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 04:40:12 AM UTC

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they were toothpicks

But no, Wade is not Rainman.

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by: MADCO @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 15:04:33 PM UTC

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Not an idiot savant.

Just an idiot.

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by: ColoDem Di @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 18:53:12 PM UTC

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