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August 05, 2010 03:53 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“An overflow of good converts to bad.”

–William Shakespeare, from King Richard the Second

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  1. I can’t imagine any more good than what has been touted as the Republican Primaries for gov and senate.  Overflow is a wonderful verb for the last few weeks and especially for this week.  Who coulda guessed the bicycle will be the fall of the U.S.

  2. Unexpectedly.

    In the week ending July 31, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 479,000, an increase of 19,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 460,000. The 4-week moving average was 458,500, an increase of 5,250 from the previous week’s revised average of 453,250.

      1. “The blame” will come down squarely upon Spineless Democrats. those spineless Dems who should have been treating republicans like republicans treat others.

        Dems would easily maintain control, had that happened.

    1. We appear to be stuck at 17% unemployment/underemployment. And Congress appears to be ok with that. This could be a lost decade which has a horrible impact on the generation entering the workforce and is really bad for everyone else.

      This is the core reason I think people’s vote at the federal level should be “someone else.” Because the people we have in there aren’t addressing this.

      1. It’s Republicans from other states who are blocking everything in the Senate.

        I understand people’s frustration, but it’s unfair to project your anger about the Senate on our senators, let alone members of the House.

        1. I’ll post it. But I read somewhere that we’ve had more cloture votes since the Dems regained the majority in the Senate than we had at any time during the 40 or so years prior.

          The Dems simply HAVE to make good use of this fact during the campaigns this fall. The GOP simply refuses to co-operate.

          I think it’s time to get rid of the filibuster.

        2. if it wasn’t for those mean Repubs playing political games in D.C. Oh Noes!!! The Republicans rammed more through with a 51 vote majority in the Senate than we Dems even dream of.

          That fact that the people we have there would do better if allowed (which is questionable based on Democratic votes on many amendments) is irrelevant. We need people in Congress who not only would do the right thing, but are effective enough to actually get their legislation through.

          1. Fewer than there used to be, but we never employed an obstructionist “block everything” strategy, and I doubt we could have with members as conservative as Ben Nelson and Robert Byrd.

            1. How supposedly informed people on the left still gripe about the Senate being able to get it done with just 51 votes while Bush was in office is beyond me.

              Senate Democrats were wimpy during their time in the minority; they didn’t put up blanket obstruction like the Republicans have been doing since they lost the majority, and they worked with Bush 43 to keep government running, even when it meant Democratic priorities were pushed to the background.

              Senate Republicans don’t suffer many qualms about government actually running at all.  They’ve blocked a majority of Obama’s judicial nominations, leaving the courts short of judges; they’ve crippled health care and banking/investment/insurance reforms; they’ve opposed the majority in passing an effective stimulus plan, leading us into what might be a double-dip recession.

              And they’ve done it all with use of the cloture rules.  It only takes 40 of them to block cloture, and they have 41 votes and a nearly unified caucus.  And they don’t have to commit the entire caucus to an all-night filibuster, because the current cloture rules give all the power to the minority (members sworn, not members present, so only a couple of Republicans have to actually lead the filibuster while the rest go back to their houses for a good conscience-free night’s sleep).

              Sure, Democrats have some wavering voices, but it doesn’t matter – Mitch McConnell is keeping his caucus together in some unholy manner, and Democrats need one or two (or three) from the Republican side in order to conduct business.  And they’ve said straight out that their goal is to say ‘no’ regardless, to make Obama look bad.

              This is and continues to be the Republicans’ fault.

            2. Dems are into effective Government.  Repubs don’t want the Government to work at all… so they can say how Government doesn’t work.

              The Repubs have been winning in this struggle for 30 years.  It is time to change the game!

          2. We need people in Congress who not only would do the right thing, but are effective enough to actually get their legislation through.

            Amen.  And, again I say Amen.

  3. From the latest Michael Bennet email promo:

    After a career of being confronted with challenges that required taking a new approach to move past old, broken ways, I know I have the experience and the skills to lead the changes we need.

    Quibbling aside (he was confronted with challenges, but doesn’t actually say he came up with new approaches, much less name any), what has Michael Bennet actually accomplished in his career to date?

    What skills does he have, specifically, as demonstrated by what?

    What leadership has he exhibited, as demonstrated by what?

    1. It’s just a promo email, like any other promo piece from any other politician. And while those are all good questions, you’ve made no effort to find an answer. Instead, you just make another thinly veiled attack, conjured up out of the ether.

      Go find his bio on wikipedia and refute the assertion. That might actually have some value.

  4. The quixotically named American Center for Law and Justice, founded by Pat Robertson, has filed a lawsuit to overturn the recent decision to allow the ground zero mosque to proceed with construction.

    NEW YORK (AP) – A conservative advocacy group founded by the Rev. Pat Robertson is suing to try to block a planned Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero.

    The mosque proposal has become a fulcrum for balancing religious freedom and the legacy of the Sept. 11 attacks. It would be two blocks from ground zero.

    The American Center for Law and Justice says it filed a petition Wednesday challenging a city panel’s decision to let developers tear down a building to make way for the mosque.

    http://patdollard.com/2010/08/

    Life is one long soccer match, move the ball, loose the ball, back and forth.

    Thankfully, as Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. noted, “The moral arc of justice is long, but it bends towards justice.”  For all its issuses the promise that is America will be honored, eventually the crazies will lose this fight and the mosque will be built.

    1. The landmark commission ruling was unanimous, 9-0.  It’s only decision was to declare the building had no significant historical value.  (It was an old Burlington Coat Factory building whose apparent claim to landmark status began and ended with the damage caused by the 9/11 attack.)

      The lawsuit could place a stay on the construction, but as far as I can tell the ACLJ doesn’t have standing to sue, nor any grounds to sue on – the landmark commission’s decisions are theirs to make.  An appeal could be dismissed quickly IMHO.

      1. … any effort to stop the mosque would be immediately ended by an emergency injunction ORDERING the construction to be allowed. That’s because the SOLE legal issue here is that stopping the mosque would be a 100% clear violation of the mosquers’ freedom of religion rights. See Lukumi v. Hialeah, a Supreme Court case that I think went 9-0 in favor of the religion, even though in that case there was a bit more of an argument for stopping the building.

        Most issues in politics, I can see both sides, even if I disagree with the other side’s values or empirical assumptions. But if you oppose this mosque, you’re just a racist douchebag, plain & simple.

          1. … other than (a) I want to exclude even muslims who have nothing to do with any violence, or the classic cop-out, (b) I’m not myself offfended by muslims, but I want to respect the biases of others offended by all muslims. Either way is close to the definition of racist stereityping: SOME members of group X are bad, so I want to exclude ALL members of group X.

            1. Find one NYC metal or contracting working crew to actually work on that travesty (while totally legal and protected, wholly inappropriate) and I’ll show you a unicorn in my ass.

              They just finished wiping remains off of the steel that built the old Trade Centers and they all fly the flag from their highest cranes.

              That mosque is never, ever getting built there.

        1. is that the Landmark Commission has authority over precisely one thing: landmark status for buildings.

          They ruled that the Burlington Coat Factory building did not qualify as a significant historical landmark, and they did so unanimously.

          The groups challenging the decision may not even have grounds for a stay; granting a stay is based on the likelihood that the suit will prevail, and this suit is Orly Taitz laughable.

    2. there’s also a shoe for the left foot today.

      Seems that a number of folks in Japan are upset about their government’s decision to allow the American ambassador to Japan to attend their 65th anniversary memorial in Hiroshima.  (As I heard it on the radio, this would be the first time ever that an American official had been invited to attend.)

      How do you like them apples?

      In the case of the Muslims, it wasn’t a Islamic government that perpetrated 9/11, but the radical Islamic equivalent of our KKK.  But in the case of Hiroshima, it most definately was the U.S. government directly responsible for that act.

      I don’t want to reopen all the standard WWII debates, I just want to know, If you don’t believe that the mosque should be allowed to be built, how do you feel about the push to bar the attendance of the U.S. Ambassador for just one day at the Hiroshima memorial?  

      1. .

        Should the US apologize for the 2 A-bombs ? Could that ever happen ?  Could Obama apologize ?  Wouldn’t that really set off us Tea-Party types ?  

        Should Japan apologize for Nanking, or Korean and Filipino “comfort girls ?”  Could that ever happen ?  Wouldn’t the old school Samurai make short shrift of any politician who does ?  

        Should the Japanese apologize for Pearl Harbor ?  Should the Democratic Party apologize for backing the Japanese into attacking, or the Roosevelt family, since FDR planned the whole thing ?

        Where would it end ?

        .

  5. I mean, National Security is there big issue – so why would they delay the nomination of the National Intelligence Chief?

    Do they want the Terrorists to win?

    GOP senators stall vote on intelligence chief

    WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans are trying to wring concessions out of the White House before agreeing to vote on President Obama’s nominee to become the nation’s intelligence chief.

    With the Senate about to go on its August break, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper’s nomination to be director of national intelligence hangs in the balance. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., has temporarily blocked the nomination, and other GOP lawmakers are threatening to join him.

    One senior Senate staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the negotiations, says the lawmakers want the White House to share classified material with them, such as individual threat assessments on Guantanamo detainees who could be released.

    Clapper is currently the top Pentagon intelligence official.

    http://militarytimes.com/news/

  6. I mean, seriously: who would want to take that thankless job, for any of these three loser candidates?

    Tancredo will likely pick a minority, to try to show that he is not anti-minority in general, just anti-illegal immigration.

    Maes? Who the hell would want to run with him?

    McInnis? Same question.

      1. I think Jordan Maes would make a great VP for Dan Maes. 🙂 I certainly would run with him. For McInnis, he’s lost all supporters, but Penry would probably agree to run with him for the cash – his political career is already in flames anyway.

    1. .

      Gregory Golyansky put together a 15-minute documentary to plead that he was being wrongfully persecuted.

      For my benefit, it might have been more persuasive if, at some point, he stated

      1.___What he was accused of; and

      2,___Why he was innocent of those accusations.

      He did briefly explain why he shot a guy in a parking lot, many years ago.  That was on-topic.

      He did briefly explain what a strawman purchase was.  That too was on-topic.

      But this video was mostly about how bad he has had it, first as a Ukrainian, then as a Jew, then as someone indicted for several felonies.  

      Plus, he brought up how many Blacks cannot purchase handguns, because the law says they can’t.  

      Plus, he explained how he was the victim of a political witch hunt.

      But I never really heard what he was accused of, 37 counts, or why those charges were false.

      I don’t recall him saying that he was a gun dealer.

      I don’t recall him saying that the CBI found many, many cases where convicted felons ended up with handguns sold by his store.  

      I don’t recall him refuting the accusation that he sold many handguns to the same person, maybe over 50 handguns, and that it was guns sold to that individual that ended up in the hands of convicted felons, who had those guns on them when they committed additional crimes.  

      There’s a story here, but Mr. Golyansky ain’t tellin’ it.

      .

      BJ,

      I assume that this video was produced at the expense of a 527 backing Buck.  Am I wrong ?  Where was that acknowledged ?

      And why isn’t there an explanation of why Buck did nothing wrong ?

      .

        1. .

          And their name (Iniosante) is pronounced “the Innocents,” I presume ?  

          I’m pretty darn gullible, but not that gullible.

          This is issued now, 4 days to go in the Primary, in order to clear Greg’s name ?  

          .

          1. I have no doubt he wants her to lose; I just don’t think it came from the official Buck campaign. I could be wrong I guess, but it’s not on their site, youtube channel, etc.

  7. Actually, two. Kos announced today that the site will be hiring PPP (Public Policy Polling) to do their campaign race polling, and another as-yet-unnamed polling outfit to do their national opinion tracking.

    Polling results will begin flowing in next week; according to the post, Delaware and Missouri will be the first two states on the polling list.

    This should be a welcome addition to double-check the overwhelming Rasmussen flood.  (Though Rasmussen will still far outpoll any other outfit for the rest of the season – they’re polling 1-5 races PER DAY!)

  8. From HuffPo:

    Later in the day, the accusation of hypocrisy was made even sharper when a powerful Colorado oil executive claimed that Romanoff — who has been blistering in his criticism of the oil industry “special interests” — called him earlier in the year to solicit campaign donations.

    Tim Marquez, a major philanthropist, Democratic donor and CEO of Venoco Inc. said that months ago he received a call from Romanoff requesting a meeting — a call that he interpreted as a fundraising plea.

    “I declined to take the meeting and I’m glad I did. It’s upsetting when he continues to bash oil companies and yet he wanted our support,” Marquez told the Huffington Post. “It’s hypocrisy”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

  9. Please at least answer my question.

    You banned Harvey in a millisecond.  That guy has a point.  Please disclose who Alan is and if he’s a Dead Gov at the same time he’s getting paid by PN.

  10. Soon-to-be Private Lakin gets his first day in Court tomorrow at Fort Belvoir.

    “According to the Army Trial Docket, LTC Lakin (better known as the “birther doc”) will face arraignment at 11:00am Friday at Fort Belvoir. It’s not clear whether a motion hearing pertaining to discovery of President Obama’s “long form” birth certificate will be held in conjunction with the arraignment. Check back later in the week for updates.”

    http://www.nimjblog.org/2010/0

    ( I tried to link to the Army Trial Docket (DoD’s version of the Judiciary’s PACER website) but it freaked out.)

    If by some freakin’ miracle they got a discovery request out of the Article 32 hearing and in front of a military judge, it’s going to be short. The State of Hawaii will send it’s normal (and legally binding) report that 44 was born in that fine state, and PV0 Lakin will realize he’s thrown away his whole career.

      1. .

        Hasn’t he been locked up for the last 3 months, with NO prospect of release for at least 12 years, maybe longer ?

        He’s under UCMJ jurisdiction.  

        .

        1. …but the order for pretrial confinement is going to be pretty hard to overturn. Risk to national security and all being in play.

          I have heard rumors that he’s been denied military consul – something about being in a war zone. I hope the Army JAG in charge doesn’t screw this up over some two-star’s vindictive attitude.

          1. WASHINGTON (Army News Service, July 30, 2010) – The Soldier suspected of leaking classified information to the website “WikiLeaks” arrived last night at a pre-trial confinement facility on Quantico Marine Base, Va., as part of the transfer of court-martial jurisdiction in his case to the U. S. Army Military District of Washington.

            Pfc. Bradley E. Manning had been confined at Camp Arifjan, Kuwait, since May 29 after being suspected of providing WikiLeaks classified video showing a July 2007 Apache helicopter strike in Baghdad. He is now also suspected of being involved in leaking thousands of intelligence reports about the conflict in Afghanistan.

            Manning was charged on July 5 with four specifications under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice for violating Army Regulation 25-2 (Information Assurance Policy), and eight specifications under Article 134 for violating federal statutes related to the receipt of classified information (18 U.S.C. 793) and wrongful access of a government computer (18 U.S.C. 1030).

            With his transfer to Quantico, Manning is now under the general court-martial convening authority of Maj. Gen. Karl R. Horst, MDW commanding general. Manning will remain in pre-trial confinement as the Army continues its investigation, officials said.

            Maj. Gen. Terry Wolff, the general court-martial convening authority and commanding general of the 1st Armored Division/U.S. Division – Center in Iraq, requested the transfer to MDW due to a potentially lengthy pre-trial confinement because of the complexity of charges and an ongoing investigation. The field confinement facility in Kuwait is designed for short-term confinement.

            The criminal investigation remains open, officials said. They explained that preferral of charges represents an accusation only and that Manning is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty.

            Manning, of Potomac, Md., entered the Army in October 2007 as an intelligence analyst (Military Occupational Specialty 35F). He was assigned to the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division. That unit deployed to Iraq in October and is now in the process of returning back to Fort Drum, N.Y.

            http://www.army.mil/-news/2010

            At least he’s not in solitary anymore…

              1. But for the Articles he’s charged under (92 & 134) don’t allow for a death penalty.

                That doesn’t mean he won’t be leaving the Disciplinary Barracks before the end of the next decade….

                  1. Doesn’t make a difference if you liked the leaker or the leaked information.  And I’ve heard lots of people say “There’s nothing new in the Wikileaks information, it’s all been aired already.”  That’s bullshit, of course, but if the “already out” defense works for Dick Cheney, it should work for the Wikileaker, too.

                    1. Dick Armitage should have thought of that.

                      Maybe posing in Vanity Fair wasn’t a really smart thing to do, either.

                    2. You’re a big boy. You can do your own work. Check when her husband got back against when shooter outed her against the Vanity Fair piece.

                      You know shooter and turdblossom threw Armitage down the stairs with Scooter…..surely you knew that, didn’t you? (And I’m not calling you Shirley.)

                      Piece of advice….use some source other than/in addition to breitbart.

      2. …they’ve got his case wrapped up so tight the best he can hope for is to get buried in secret so his grave doesn’t get violated.

        I admire and respect him for leaking the video of the trigger-happy Apache pilots, but the rest was about feeding his ego, not trying to bring any injustice to light.

    1. It has become very interesting watching Target weasel it’s way out of why the chiefs are contributing to people like Bachman.

      Best Buy is in the same boat but not getting as much bang for it’s buck.

  11. On the boyles show and again on the caplis/silverman show, a researcher from the Independence Institute said that it looked like there was a deliberate effort using computers, at the Department of Labor and Employment, to allow illegal aliens to collect unemployment compensation, contrary to state law…link:  http://www.i2i.org/

    Anyone else know anything about this?

      1. how America could become completely energy indepent in only five years if every household purchased just one Hummer, Escalade, or Navigator.

      2. This isn’t time to joke.  If the story is true, then boyles’ boast that ritter will not finish out his term may well come true.

        If it is not true or if there is reasonable explanation, then the mud campaign linking the dems to “sancuary policies” has begun and tancredo may well slide to victory.

        Do you see the CNN poll which says that more than 60% of AMERICANS don’t believe Obama is a citizen.  That is the power of hate radio…power raised to the nth degree..because reasonable people dismiss it.

        All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing…but I digress.

  12. From Mark Udall’s Newsletter and Website:

    For example, the situation on the District Court of Colorado is now considered a “judicial emergency.” Five judges in Colorado have been handling the work of seven for nearly two years, and it has been over three years since the court had a full roster.

    http://markudall.senate.gov/?p

    Also:

    DENVER – The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee in Washington voted Thursday without objection to recommend that Denver attorney John Walsh be confirmed as U.S. Attorney for Colorado.

    http://www.chieftain.com/news/

  13. In a shocking election night surprise, Basil Marceaux got half a percent of the primary vote! That’s got to be what, like a thousand votes or so? I guess if we heard of him all the way out here in Colorado, he had to have attracted some attention somewhere. My question is, who funded the campaign ad? What a waste of money.

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