Weekend Open Thread

“A person who won’t read has no advantage over one who can’t read.”

–Mark Twain

26 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    Trump stinks.  Discuss.

  2. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    Something non-political……..Malcolm Young, co-founder of the best heavy metal band ever, AC/DC, has passed away.

  3. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    Meet the Democratic CD4 candidates in Sterling today at 2 pm.

    Chase Kohne and Karen McCormick

    201 Ash St, Sterling, CO 80751-4225, United States

     

  4. Pseudonymous says:

    Gillibrand remark on Clinton sends shockwaves through Democratic Party

    Going where no other prominent Democrat had before on Thursday evening by declaring that Bill Clinton should have resigned the presidency during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the New York senator and potential 2020 presidential contender yet again found herself the face of a national conversation with the potential to dominate headlines and divide her party.

    At a time Democrats are desperate to keep the focus on accusations against President Donald Trump and Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, Gillibrand’s stand shocked even some of her close allies. They had no inkling that she was planning to make news — let alone news that would invite questions about her own ties to a political power family that has dominated her party’s consciousness for nearly three decades.

    • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

      Clinton's intern-diddling was consensual, and she was of age. There was for sure a power imbalance, which makes it gross and maybe not so consensual, but it was also in the tradition of Presidential adultery. I read somewhere that only three presidents in American history did not have generally known affairs.
      It was extra-marital, but that "betrayed his wife, not his country".

      I like Gillibrand, but I question why she is bringing this up now.

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        Sadly, there’s more to Clinton than just his Lewinsky diddling . . . 

        . . . it’s hard to say “believe the women,” and then not “believe the women” without making one’s own self look hugely hypocritical* — ya’ know?

        *And don’t even get me started in our lying piece-of-shit hypocritical President . . . 

      • VoyageurVoyageur says:

        Lewinsky was consenual and she was the aggressor.  The cases of Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broadwick, who charged groping and rape, respectively, are more ambivalent.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Sigh . . .

      . . . there is no moral high ground in a fetid swamp.

      Bill Clinton is the kind of gift that never stops needing to be returned.

      I’ve begun often wishing, seeing what history has wrought, that I been smarter and chosen to be born into a Clintonless universe . . .  

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        A Clinton less universe would have given us 28 years of Voodoo economic Republican reign between Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

        Remember, until Bill Clinton and his rapid response team came along, Democrats were incapable of winning the presidency.

         

        • Diogenesdemar says:

          No, you can’t say that with any certainty.

          1.  In a Clintonless universe, it’s unknown what might have happened in or after 1992.

          2.  Raygun, raised taxes.  George The Smarter, raised taxes.  (In fact it was GHWTS that recognized “voodoo economics” and first labeled it as such.). What we had until 1992, those first 12 of 28 years, was “voodoo rhetoric” more than “voodoo reality” — it isn’t just a recent phenomenon that Republican leaders have successfully sold unrealistic lies directly to their voting base.   It could also be argued that Clinton didn’t so much win the  1992, as GHWTS lost — mostly as a result of his rejecting voodoo and abandoning that “no new taxes” pledge in the face of economic reality  

          3.  “Voodoo reality” didn’t get it’s actual implementation until the last 8 of your 28 years, because up until then no President was actually stupid enough to believe their own lying rhetoric.   And, you can (I do) lay George The Dumber at the feet of Clinton as his single-most significantly impactful direct legacy.  Do you still have George The Dumber in a Clintonless universe? — I doubt it.

          Bill Clinton as savior?  I think he’s way more a sausage roll in the manger . . .

           

          • Conserv. Head Banger says:

            D.G.: don't overlook the fact that Ross Perot also was in the 1992 presidential race and got 19% of the vote, if I recall his percentage correctly.

            Big difference between Reagan and G.W. Bush. Reagan did raise taxes when he thought it was needed. Bush, however, cut taxes on the rich and fought two wars with money borrowed from Chinese and other far eastern bankers.

            • Pseudonymous says:

              Reagan also lowered taxes, and more than he raised them.  The increase was only to stave off a worse mess.

              The debt under Reagan rose by more than 185% from the point at which he entered, or about $1.8 trillion.  This was a larger numerical increase than the roughly $1.6 trillion under Bush I, and a much larger increase by percentage– Bush was at about 55%. Bush II added more numerically (about $5.8 trillion) but still had a much smaller percentage increase– just over 100%.  I'm guessing Reagan borrowed all that money from China, too, except, of course, that most of the debt (currently about 70%) is held by other US government entities or US funds, so maybe not so much China.

  5. ZappateroZappatero says:

    Our Dear Senator-for-Life must delight in the fact that (almost) no one around here gives a shit what he does. 

    Dare he vote for for Republican “tax reform “ currently on the senate agenda?

    Would he ever go after that Historic Liar Orrin Hatch like Sherrod Brown did this past week? I doubt it. 

  6. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    Cory Gardner Town Hall in Pueblo Monday at 1130 am

    Details:  (from Gardner's Senate site)

    Who:               U.S. Senator Cory Gardner (R-CO)

    What:              Pueblo Town Hall

    When:             Monday, November 20th, 11:30 a.m. – 1:00 p.m. MT

                              Doors open at 10:30 a.m. MT

    Where:            Pueblo Convention Center

                              320 Central Main St, Pueblo, CO 81003

    Parking:           Please use the SRDA parking lot (located off Alan Hammel between Union Ave and Central Main Street)

    This is another one of Gardner's "stealth" town halls. Pueblo peeps, I know that you'll step up and let Gardner know that we don't care for the GOP tax plan.

     

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      “You can do a lot with $75.00 — thankyou Senator Gardner! . . . [garble, garble, Pols, blargle, blargle, liberals don’t want, glarble, blargle, making America great, blargle, glarble, it’s a bitch, blargle] . . . And, anyway, everyone knows $6,000 doesn’t go nearly as far as it used to.  

      Stay the course Senator.  The voters will reward you.”

       

      Moderatus — coming soon to a post near you

  7. DavieDavie says:

    Trump may have to draw on his line of credit with his benefactors in Russia:

    Donald Trump has an inflated view of his assets. The president’s family business is worth about one-tenth of the value he has claimed, according to an analysis of the latest figures he has filed with the federal government.

    In 2016 the Trump Organization reported nearly $9.5 billion in sales. But recent public filings by the president indicate that the company’s actual revenue that year was only as much as $700 million, Crain’s said.

    Not only are the Trump Organization’s plans to develop a Scion hotel in Manhattan apparently dead in the water,  but “prices are slumping for condos at Trump Tower and the Trump International Hotel and Tower,” Crain’s said.

    The average price per square foot for condos at Trump Tower has fallen by 23 percent since 2015, The Wall Street Journal reported, while prices at other midtown developments have remained steady. At Trump’s International Hotel and Tower on Central Park, the average price per square foot is down 24 percent.

    Better call Vlad to bail him out. 

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