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June 19, 2017 06:48 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow.”

–Oscar Wilde


54 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Resistance – The Party of Hate

    The Bernie Sanders "resistance" which recently inspired one of its own to attempt to assassinate Republican Congressmen, and their media minions are at it again.

    MSLSD's Joyless Reid hoped that Scalise recovers but cannot ignore his history regarding race, same sex marriage and gun control.

    Apparently Scalise's life is less valuable than a Bernie Sanders true believer.

    “[I]t’s a delicate thing because everybody is wishing the congressman well and hoping that he recovers, but Steve Scalise has a history that we’ve all been forced to sort of ignore on race,” Reid said. “He did come to leadership after some controversy over attending a white nationalist event, which he says he didn’t know what it was. He also co-sponsored a bill to amend the Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman. He voted for the House healthcare bill, which as you said would gut health care for millions of people, including three million children, and he co-sponsored a bill to repeal the ban on semi-automatic weapons. Because he is in jeopardy and everybody is pulling for him, are we required in a moral sense to put that aside at the moment?”

    Joyless, the answer is yes.

    1. If, while you're working on these, you took a minute to look into the folks you're using to make your non-point, you'd realize that Joy Reid pretty much detests Sanders and his movement, and craps on it every chance she gets.

      I know, I know, we all look the same to you.

    2. Rev. Dr. Barber’s answer (at 4:08 below in video) in that interview on Joy Reid's show:


      Rev Barber: “What we’re required to say is that we hope he recovers, and that when he recovers he has a renewed mindset. And if a lesbian person saved your life, you can’t…you should not go forward being homophobic. If you almost died, but your life was saved, because you got health care, then you should apply that ethic, and want everybody else to have the same health care you have.”

      Rev. Barber implies that people can hold more than one thing in mind at a time – a feat you might try.

      1. Am I reading this right? In context based on the chiron, this us a segment on morality and Reid is asking the leading question (of which she already knows tge answer) to Rev. Barber?

        AC – I'm shocked you would take such a religiously grounded conversation and turn it in to an attack for political reasons.

        1. PR: Yes, you're right, Reid asked a rhetorical question. AC's transcript is pretty much accurate on Reid's question; mine is accurate on the first part of Rev. Barber's answer.

          Are you really shocked at AC's exploitation of this, PR? The right wing blogosphere is all attacking Reid regarding this segment.

          Republicans believe that they own religion and morality, will not concede any of that ground to liberals.

  2. This is for Andrew. Rick Wiles advised late last week that the Democrat party should be disbanded as a violent, socialist, seditious organization. MSNBC should immediately be shut down. And liberal agitators in the news media should be rounded up. 

    Obviously, requirements and mandates of the US Constitution don't apply for the wish lists of far right wingees like Wiles and Andrew. 

    1. I don't think the Democratic Party, any more than their offshoot the KKK, should be disbanded.  I leave it to the market place of ideas to do its work.

      1. "off shoot the KKK……"  Yeah, how 1860s and 1870s of you. Let's focus on the here and now.

        Unless you plan to renounce your far right wing tendencies and become enlightened, you OWN your fellow travelers like Wiles, El Rushbo, Hannity, Tony Perkins, Franklin Graham, et al. They are your "homies," Andrew.

      2. Being the imminently knowledgeable student of history that you are . . .

        . . . please enlighten us all on how your once-noble Republican Party has become the pro-KKK haven and supporter and attractor of every manner of bigotry that it is now today????

        To what do you attribute your terrible fall from the American ideals???

    2. CSH:

      I never heard of Rich Wiles.

      I think people who foment violence should be rounded up consistent with the First Amendment, whether they be from the left or fight.

      Seems what you are describing is someone in the lineage of Stalin, who leftists cheered as he rounded up his victims.

      1. Wow!  Already up to the 1930's.  Such progress… What next?  Are you going to examine the Korean War and compare and contrast "The Manchurian Candidate" with your Buffoon-in-Thief Trump?

    3. I think Andrew is trying to be serious CB.  How apt is today's quote?

      What we are seeing is the transformation of Bernie  Sanders into Nancy Pelosi by the serious folks on the right.  Every evil ever done in the world can now be laid at the feet of Sanders.  This is why you can't take his trash talking too seriously.  He loves to hate and project and believe that some of his fellow Americans are the enemy.  That's what these shallow brain washed fools serious folks believe.

  3. Carnholiostink is reportedly a bigger problem than Trumpstink today.  The lying shill, who has no decency and no integrity, is stinking at a Force 10 stink as he tries to exploit a tragedy to silence political opposition.  It's his Reichstag moment and he hasn't been so excited since his hero Timothy McVeith bombed the federal building in Oklahoma city.

    Stay upwind my friends.

      1. Carnholio, you are the reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels,except for being much stupider.   The KKK and you fought hand in hand for Donald Trump, behind your infowars banner, and cheered every time your mob beat up a black protestor.   You stink, stupid one.   You have no integrity, you are totally devoid of personal honor.  You have never served your country and never will.

        You stink.   You stink.   You really, really stink.

        Stay downwind from real Americans at all times.

  4. Another battle looming to keep Constitutional separation of church and state:

    Evangelical leader Jerry Falwell, Jr. is now in charge of making sure campuses aren't quite so thorough in reporting sexual assault cases, because obviously rape on campus is not a problem, and that campuses should not enforce sex discrimination under Title IX in general.

    This is almost as dry-heaving absurd as putting Stephen Miller in charge of "women's issues".  Miller thinks that the gender pay gap is not due to discrimination, and opposes equal pay for women, and paid parental leave.

    Founders, thank you for the checks and balances.  GOP-controlled Congress, thank you for being so incompetent and disfunctional. Without you, the "Handmaid's Tale" would be our new instruction manual.

  5. Scott Tipton (CD3) is holding a telephone town hall next Monday, June 26.

    Congressman Scott Tipton — US Representative for Colorado District 3

    2 hrs ·

    I'm holding a telephone town hall meeting next Monday, June 26, 2017, at 6:00PM MT. If you live in the Third Congressional District and would like to participate, please call my office in Washington, DC at 202-225-4761 to sign up!

  6. I'm still waiting for our Commander in Chief to express some sympathy to the families of the crewmen who were lost in that collision.  Did I miss his condolences?

      1. Naturally it was a CIC tweet.

        "Thoughts and prayers with the sailors of USS Fitzgerald and their families. Thank you to our Japanese allies for their assistance," Trump wrote on Twitter.


  7. Michael,

    Is all commercial production of hemp for medical or recreational purposes required to be grown in a closed environment? Is there any out door production such as greenhouse production of hemp?

    1. You can grow industrial outdoors with a permit from the CO Dept of Ag (a fairly easy process). All new marijuana grows are indoors and permitted through a different agency (there were a small handful of outdoor grows that were grandfathered – but they're the exception). 

      1. We'll have 100 acres going in behind this year's wheat crop.  Maybe we can have a Pols Hemp Day in Wray in August and tickle the local economy with your Front Range dollars! 

        1. Generally speaking, 'no'. The use of commercial herbicides and pesticides is considered 'off label'. That stems from the cannabis plant being  Schedule 1 drug under the Controlled Substances Act which prevents the companies testing their product.  There are some organic options – and there are people in the industry that have been caught using off label. It's the dirty little secret in Canada that some farmers use a pre-emergent herbicide that can't be traced.  The last two years we've planted late enough that we've been able to mechanical till the first and second flush of weeds before planting. The crop emerges quickly and shades the ground so herbicides weren’t needed. We had a few moths show up late last year but we were close enough to the freeze they were inconsequential.   It's a really fun crop to grow! 

          1. I was in the commercial greenhouse industry for 13 years, ornamental plants and flowers. I have a good friend that would be great for this industry.

            How does the market contend with 100 acres of new production?

            1. You seem to be confusing industrial hemp grown as an agricultural commodity for fiber — and almost no THC — with cannibis grown for medical and recreational consumption by humans.  Two different plant types, as unrelated to each other as field corn for livestock feed and the sweet corn I'm grilling for dinner this evening (and in the case of hemp and cannibis, probably much more so).

              1. It's fairly confusing:  hemp grown for CBD/phytocannabinoids can be grown anywhere in the state under a Department of Ag permit. Marijuana has a much different landscape: there was an opt-out provision in Amendment 64 that almost every rural county invoked, concentrating the entirety of marijuana production in the urban Front Range. What a windfall it would have been to have had those 20,000+ jobs spread across our small towns. We've met the enemy. It's 'us'. 

                Dio is right: hemp and marijuana are like O'douls and Guinness; the vernacular conflated thanks to Reefer Madness.  But, we have nothing to fear from any part of the Cannabis Sativa L. plant. 

              2. Yes, I'm confusing the two, not intentionally. I'm trying to understand the issue better. Why could cannibis not be grown as a field crop? 

                1. Its confusing even to legislators. To start with , marihuana is a word used by Randolph Hearst, incorporated into the Prohibition language of 1937.  It was part of the Reefer Madness vocabulary as a slight to blacks and Hispanics (Hearst hated the Mexicans and the blacks). The 'h' was later dropped and supplanted with a 'j'. Calling cannabis marijuana ​​​​​​is the equivalent of calling Jim Beam Black Label 'hooch'.

                  Scientifically, both industrial hemp and 'marijuana' are Cannabis sativa L  What separates them under the law is THC content: below 0.3% it is considered industrial (and legal to grow in over 30 states under 2014 Farm Bill language); above 0.3% is marijuana. Industrial hemp is licensed in this (and every other state) by Ag departments and treated as an agricultural crop. It can be cultivated in two ways: as individual plants at roughly 2,200 plants per acre (that look similar to marijuana plants) for phytocannabinoids or in large fields in dense populations (500,000 plants per acre) for fiber, seed production, etc. In both cases, again, considered agricultural and legal to be grown outdoors. (there is some indoor production of phytocannabinoids in the off-season and greenhouses are used for winter clone production for spring planting). 

                  If we had a brain we'd allow the production of marijuana outdoors – a far superior option to the energy-intense practice of growing them indoors (although that couldn't be done year-around in Colorado for obvious reasons.  The law requires indoor; it's a perceived public safety feature. Locked buildings, cameras, etc.  Marijuana is licensed and regulated through MED at the Department of Revenue – separate and distinct laws and procedures from the industrial hemp regulatory scheme at Department of Ag. 

                  Moddy aside, John Q. Public has spoken. The vast majority of Americans (over 60%) want our spectacularly-failed War on Drugs to end.  End it will, it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'.  Colorado is at the tip of this spear and the collective 'we' have done a great job demonstrating what a folly the War has been. 

                  Hope that helps. 

                  1. I think it is inevitable that marijuana becomes leagal in 49 states, sooner rather than later. As that effort proceeds, the marketplace will become more competitive and the supply larger and the price lower, usually. 

                    A hypothetical. What happens when Kansas legalizes marijuana and allows open cultivation? I can see those giant crop circles in Goodland KS switched from wheat to marijuana. Colorado growers who invested in expensive indoor and high cost production would be forced to compete. Would the legislature then allow open cultivation?

                    1. There will be a day when outdoor cultivation will be lawful but we're a long ways from there yet. Keep in mind, we have an AG who thinks cannabis is 'just slightly less dangerous than heroin'.  This is as a generational issue that time will solve.  When I go by a corn field I don't say, 'Look, a Bourbon field! Corn can be anything from cattle feed to bourbon.  Ditto for potatoes: vodka or potato chips.  Wheat? Beer or bread.  

                      The point being that any of those crops standing in a field pose ZERO risk to human health.  You could make a stronger argument against corn regarding the health aspects of high fructose corn syrup than you could regarding cannabis.  The THCa in the raw cannabis flower is an incredible health supplement and isn't psychoactive; it isn't until the flower is exposed to heat that it converts to THC and becomes psychoactive.  There's nothing I'd like to see more than circles of cannabis where corn once grew grown specifically for a THCa market.  

                      Public perception is bending; we'll slowly add to the states that allow the practice as the Reefer Madness generation passes.  

                    2. Kansas is the punchline to another hemp joke . . . just ask Donald "buy American", or any of his Trumpette Sessions gang: Although America has been, and remains, among the world's top consumers of hemp fiber, and although our farmers were even encouraged during WWII to grow more acres of hemp, since then, as a country and with our reefer madness legacy, we have had to import hemp and hemp fiber products from fureners (  Producers).

                      The employment potential in the US from industrial hemp production is light years beyond the number of manufacturing jobs that will ever be returned here!

                    3. You nailed it on all accounts, Dio. We remain the only G7 to prohibit its cultivation under federal law (sans Sec 7606 of the 2014 Farm Bill which allows state law to control the cultivation) while being the world's largest consumer of hemp products (estimated at $700 million this year and projected to be in the billions over the next decade. Make (rural) America Great Again? Get off the coal train and get onboard the vision of a 21st-century bio-economy which could be underpinned by this crop. 

                      The entire Colorado delegation, sans Lamborn, have been ardent champions of this new industry, in particular Jared in the House and both Gardner and Bennett in the Senate. 

                  2. One more thing. What happens when the Indians (PC, Native Americans) decided to cultivate marijuana on tribal lands? We have seen how the Indian casinos have flourished. Maybe the Five Civilized Tribes buy sections of land in CO, KS or OK and get into the market. It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.

                    1. There is a growing interest (pun intended) within the tribal communities to grow for both the industrial and recreational market. Their challenge under this Administration is, as a sovereign nation, they have to negotiate with the DOJ. Which means Jefferson Beauregard.  You can appreciate their challenge right now.   

                    1. We use a small grain drill that we use (generally) for wheat. 


            2. To slightly modify my initial response, there are some limited greenhouse grows producing CBD rich varieties. The non-CBD producers plant outdoors in large plots. A significant amount of acreage in Colorado is dedicated to outdoor CBD/phytocannabinoid production. Last year half of ALL industrial hemp production was in the Colorado. Kentucky is biting on our heels for 2017 – we'll see who is the victor when the final acreages are announced. 

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