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September 29, 2007 04:06 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“I even accept for the sake of argument that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged.”

–Justice Antonin Scalia


69 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

        1. as they say:

          Verdict Coming For “Penis Pump” Judge
          Closing arguments today in exposure trial of ex-Oklahoma jurist

          6/30 UPDATE: After five hours of deliberation, an Oklahoma jury last night convicted Donald Thompson of indecent exposure and recommended that the former judge serve a year in prison on each of four felony counts. His sentencing was scheduled for August 14.

          JUNE 29–Closing arguments are scheduled today in the trial of the former Oklahoma judge charged with indecent exposure for using a penis pump (among other really gross acts) while on the bench.

          [The article gets better from there, read it at

    “39% bemoan taxes; just 20% call health care a top priority”
    “Colorado voters are not eager for the major changes Gov. Bill Ritter and the General Assembly are talking about, according to a statewide survey released Friday.”…..

    “…the downturn in the economy has made people unwilling to make major policy changes or to give more of their money for government projects. Thirty-nine percent of the 602 respondents in the August survey called their tax burden too high – a level that is close to voter tax revolt -…..”

    “Three major citizen commissions are looking at health care, transportation funding and education reform, and all have discussed sending a tax-increase proposal to voters next year.”….

    “44% said they are unsure if Referendum C money has been spent as intended or that they believe it hasn’t been spent that way. Just 31% favored extension of the five year timeout from revenue limitations, an idea that has been discussed in some circles.”

    Let the ‘2nd Choice Ritter’ tax orgy begin.

    1. Generally everyone wants lower taxes and more government services. So if you ask people are your taxes too high, you can get as many as 80 – 90% agreeing with that.

      And 44% are unsure if Ref C money has been spent as intended – I am unsure if it’s been spent as intended. I’m not against Ref C – I just have no information on the subject.

      These are not surprising numbers. Not are they bad for a governor who wants to improve the state and may require changes in the tax code to do so.

      – dave

  2. I would say the ‘poll’ is a piece of … well, let’s say…work. As in ‘bad work.’  Get use to it Gecko, Ritter is a popular governor, much more so than BO ever was. 

    1. According to this same poll he has a 57% approval rating.
      But that won’t last when he tries to shove tax increases down the throats of people who are already struggling. His numbers will plummet like a plane out of fuel.

      In the Gazette there is also an interesting editorial by John Stossel about the Beast’s Hillarycar 2.0 plan. I wish I was a computer geek sometimes so I would know how to cut a paste these articles that the libs ignore so readily.

        1. Tax increases are not shoved down our throats anymore than when I go buy a milkshake it is shoved down my throat. We choose to tax ourselvs to pay for things that are most effectively (notice I did not say efficiently) provided by the state that we believe are worth the investment.

          Would I rather not pay my taxes and still get all the services? Sure. But I’m intelligent enough to realize that to have the level of civilization we have reached and to continue to advance, it absolutely requires that we tax ourselves to provides the means to keep and advance our society.

          On the flip side, if you’ve got yours, you don’t care about anyone else, and screw the future – then yes, reducing taxes down to just the roads you use and enough police to protect you from the starving multitudes is all you need.

  3. Rocky Mtn News is, their headline for the same poll is:

    They failed to show the pie slice that the Gazette had where it is actually only the number one concern by 20% of those polled.

  4. is another tax orgy proposal from your people friendly mayor Hick…..
    526.6 million dollars in tax increases for the people of Denver.
    Oh boy, hopefully this will spread to the entire state so we can all donate more to the balck hole known as Guvment.

    1. I think that most of the proposals on how the money would be spent have to do with projects and maintaince that have been delayed under your low tax philosophy until things just really need to be done.

      You know, like a bridge in Minnesota.

      If you want a third world crumbling infrastructure, have at it.  But be prepared to pay the price in delays, inconvenience, worn out suspension on your HD, water pipes erupting, and yes, deaths.

      Pay me now or pay me later.

      1. …the City and County has done a pretty piss poor job of managing the money they have now. If they would pay a little attention to some common sense cost-saving measures they would not be so far behind. I have not been convinced this $1/2 billion (!!) is a wise investment yet.

        1. mil levy increase for maintenance is a slippery slope….plus the rumors are rampant that the City would like to take over DPS….a real cash cow….I want to wait and see the consequence of some of the plans already in the works….like the preschool…..until I fork out anymore…

  5. Ok, I asked Mark Udall if I could meet with him to do a my lunch with Jared meeting. And a very nice person in his office told me that he was too busy to do so. I think it’s just part of Mark keeping a low profile but I do have to admit that my blog is not that important and it’s a reasonable response.

    I also asked Bob Schaffer. After 1½ weeks – no answer. Apparently I’m not important enough to even answer. In the case of Bob, who needs all the press he can get, and where my mom is a Republican legislator, you would think he would find the opportunity useful.

    The fact that I didn’t even get an answer makes me think his campaign organization doesn’t exist yet. His web page is still really pathetic – a lot less than my mom had just 2 days after she was told she was running for the U.S. Senate.

      1. Didn’t you know his mom’s campaign is the benchmark of US politics?

        Bob’s front page letter is vintage right wing blather, but as far as a campaign site goes, it does the job. The only things that matter is that the volunteer button and the contribute button work.

      2. She got a hair under 40%. However, running in a Dem state against an incumbent with a total of 2 months to campaign I think she did pretty good. I think she had the best numebrs ever for a Repub running against an incumbent.

      1. What he shaould have done though is have a flunky at least contact me and say he’s too busy. And while I may be liberal, I do vote Repub on occasion and those posts I did after meeting the 3 amigos were pretty even-handed I think so it could have given him an ok post on the liberal side – and he needs stuff like that to win in this state.

        Anyways, my guess is they aren’t even reading their email. Which means they will miss more important things than my request…

    1. So, what did Jared have to say? You do not really say much in your blog.

      As to Schaffer’s web site, give it time. He simply needs to pick up a good designer. At least one point in his favor is that he runs a somewhat secured website. Far too many politicians run Windows ( and worse, in default mode ). I am amazed that more politicians are not cracking their opponent’s IIS boxes and redoing the site. Of course, If I had to guess, he probably does not grok the web and just went with an inexpensive set-up until he knows that he has the pub nod.

        1. and Jared’s site. But I must have missed the info. BTW, I agree with you that pols is underrating JP. I think that a lot of boulderites will like having a person who knows how to make things happen and does so.

    2. Udall’s office has turned down several Democratic Party events for my county this year and next (in his district, in a cycle where he’s running for a new office…); apparently the new Congressional work week is a bit more strenuous than that of the last Congress. 😉

      Tell him you’ll cross-post it here, with its astounding unbeatable numbers – and also at Daily Kos, where it will languish in obscurity… 😉

      (PS – you could tell BS the same, but I doubt it would get him to respond positively…)

  6. How much money does Bush think a US soldier’s life is worth? How much money does Bush think the lives of our allies’ soldiers or innocent Iraqis are worth?

    As we’re finding out, not very much. On March 17, 2003 President Bush issued the warning: “Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict commenced at a time of our choosing ,” yet now thanks to a transcript leaked to the Spanish newspaper El Pais, we learn that more than three weeks prior to that Bush had told former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar that “The Egyptians are speaking to Saddam Hussein. It seems he’s indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he’s allowed to take $1 billion …” When confronted about the leaked transcript yesterday, Whitehouse spokeswoman Dana Perino did not dispute its accuracy.

    Just last week we learned from former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan that the real reason behind the war in Iraq was oil , and now we are finding out that the entire war could have been averted for letting him get away with $1 billion. That’s just than one tenth of 1% of what this insane invasion and occupation of Iraq, that continues claim the lives of our country’s bravest men and women, has now been forcast to cost. Think about that just for a second. Every single death, Iraqi and American coalition alike, could have been saved and Bush could have had Saddam’s oil, but apparently he didn’t even seriously consider it. Topping that, he then lied in public to the entire world about it just so he could have his war regardless. How’s that for compassionate conservatism?

    h/t C&L

    1. online and in the papers ?

      Bush rejects victory, chooses a long, hard slog.

      There are a lot of things he’s done wrong,
      but this goes beyond all of the others, in my view. 

      This is treason.

  7.   It looks like Newt Gingrich is taking himself out of the ’08 presidential race, opting to continue running his PAC. 
      So unless Jeb throws his hat into the ring, it looks like the GOP field is set.  What you see is what you get….

    1. All of these people running for President and we’re left wondering who the “least of the evils” is.

      Are we really devoid of any great leaders anymore or does the two-party, partisan system just pass them by?

      1. I don’t think the Dems are fielding a weak group at all.
        Every one of them is a step in the right direction, and there are a couple of the front runners that I think have the at least potential to be amongst the best historically.

        Keep in mind that in the pre-television days, the media scrutiny was pretty light and the fog of history tends to give a halo to people not entirely deserving.

        I think that given the hundreds of millions that have already been spent to tear these people down, that they have held up remarkably well to scrutiny.

        Hillary has some high negatives, and as she will probably be the nominee the final ticket will have some people complaining, but the primary field as a whole is not one that I think people are looking at trying to find a lesser evil. I see some good candidates there.

        It is not like we have another Bush vs. Kerry race, or that we will have to sit through another Cheney vs. Lieberman debate.

        1. Even Washington had mud slung at him. And Lincoln was viewed as borderline incompetent for most of his time in office. The list goes on.

          I think we Dems have an incredibly impressive slate. None are perfect but aside from Kucinich & Gravel I think any would make a good president.

          On the Repub side I am very underimpressed. Romney will clearly say and do absolutely anything to get elected, Guliani is a one trick pony and a dick, Thompson is lazy, and McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for the next 800 years.

          1. Dem’s man…….and will lose. She is hated by more people than she thinks. R’s and D’s will come out of the woodwork to make sure she loses.
            Now if Gore was to get off of his global warming kick, he might have a chance……but once a loser, always a loser.

            1.   That may be true but a lot of those people will still end up holding their noses and voting for her because the alternative is so unacceptable (800 more years in Iraq and deficits bankrupting the country).

              1. I am not certain about the top dems. But 30 years of voting, I  have accepted that pubs are absolute disasters to America and will continue to vote dems for awhile. Hopefully, whoever gets in, and will start taking care of real issues such as the monster deficit and base research. After all, Clinton I did this. Funny thing is had W. paid more attention to the deficits, then he would probably have a number of politicians backing him. The number of American deaths in Iraq is not enough to cause the average American to shy away from this. I have only known 1 death directly, and few here have known any. But they know that the economy is not so good, and deficit keeps climbing. These are tangible items that Americans can see and must deal with it.

          1. But he brought the troops home.

            I’m looking for someone who will take a realistic approach and realistic means not pre-committing. I want the troops out yesterday but I can’t disagree with a candidate who honestly states that they can’t say 100% exactly how it will play out.

      2. think about going to  to sign the petition to draft Gore.  The New Hampshire filing period has just been announced and it is Oct. 15 to Nov. 2nd.  How great would it be to see Gore file?  It’s hard to imagine a better leader for our moment in history, a moment in which one threat makes all the rest, including terrorism, look very manageable: Global warming.  Who better to lead the world now than Gore? Nixon proved a losing candidate could come back to win.  Why not Gore?

        1. Governor Richardson.

          Has an extensive background, is well founded, understands basic economics, is motivated by what is good for his State…

          But he doesn’t have a chance: isn’t all that good looking and the national media is bypassing him while they focus on the “pretty boys (and girl)”.

        2.   Both were U.S. Reps, U.S. Senators, V.P. for two terms under popular presidents, and each lost the presidential race under questionable circumstances. 
            The big difference:  Gore went on to do something good for humanity whereas Nixon went on feeding paranoid ego and plotting his comeback.

          1. Nixon got us out of ‘nam. Keep in mind that the dems were playing games in trying to control what was going on, AND were trying to keep us in the war. I view that as being positive.

            In addition, even though I have a number of issues with how China treats us, I think that Nixon did the world a great thing by going to China and starting the normalization process. All in all, Nixon had a lot of positives.

            1. Nixon passed the Endangered Species Act, Clean Air and Water Acts, EPA…

              He might have been a crook, but he looks like a mob boss distributing social payouts compared to W’s gang-bang shootout style criminality.

  8. For CD-2 I think you need to take it back to 3-1 for JP. Yes he’s had some screw-ups but he’s also fired a couple of decent shots at JFG so I think that balances out. It’s still a toss-up between JP and JFG with WS there to take it if they hurt each other enough.

    – dave

  9. Amherst County BoS candidate Tim Beverly sticks his campaign signs up on some guy’s private property, claiming, bizarrely, that he has the right to put signs in front of anybody’s house. The property owner takes the signs down. Beverly goes back and puts them up again. Guy goes to pull up the sign again, only to find that razor blades have been affixed to the bottom of the sign, badly lacerating the guy’s hands, requiring hours of surgery in the ER to repair. Beverly, when asked about this by a reporter, says that he’s “not going to let this deter [him] from running.”

    details here…

    1. What impresses me most about you is that you got serious candidates to sit down with you. You’ll know you’re a powerhouse if you can get some presidential frontrunners to meet up with you…

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