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September 28, 2007 11:36 PM UTC
19 Comments
The resource being extracted from the 2/3 of the Roan Plateau planning area already under control of the energy industry is natural gas, about 2 months US supply if the rosier estimates are accurate. Thus, the notion that drilling the last bit of unleased public land on this Colorado treasure will do absolutely nothing to reduce our foreign oil dependence. It will not lower the prices ‘at the pump’ and will have no noticeable effect on energy prices at all. In fact, as more of Colorado’s gas is shipped to the MidWest (where most of it is currently being sold at bargain basement prices) Colorado consumers can expect to see their energy costs rise, according to an industry analyst speaking at the recent COGA confab.
Drilling the Roan: Not worth it for Colorado
If I don’t take the word of a guy from Western Resource Advocates.
I think they may be a little bias. Not to say the other side isn’t biased, but the only reason Mike Chiropolos is questioning their methedology is because he wants to advance his environmental agenda.
A poll asks if we should drill for natural gas on the Roan to reduce our dependency on foreign oil, and you question someone pointing out that the two are almost unrelated because he has an agenda?
It’s a frickin’ push-poll with a false question! Who cares who points it out!
would any question that suggests that we drill in the United States for oil or gas, to reduce our dependency on foreign oil be considered a push poll?
If we drill (for natural gas–the resource in question at Roan) to reduce our dependency on FOREIGN OIL be a push poll?
Yes.
that any question that suggests that we drill in the United States for oil or gas, to reduce our dependency on foreign oil would be considered a push poll?
The point is very simple: drilling for natural gas will not reduce the nation’s dependency on oil, because natural gas is not oil.
There is no commercially viable oil on the Roan Plateau.
This is therefore a fundamentally misleading poll.
Perhaps we’re missing something you’re trying really hard to say, but it seems pretty academic.
He’s here to loudly echo right-wing talking points, facts be damned – witness the SCHIP exchange the other day.
Not sure who’s paying him, but it’s obviously someone pushing whatever is on is on the BushCo agenda for the day.
I am glad that you know with 100% certainty that there is absolutely no oil on the Roan Plateau.
I am also glad to know that you know with 100% certainty that there is absolutely no way that natural gas will reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
this supposed “push poll” doesn’t seem academic to me at all, It seems to be more a matter of opinion.
They did not say that there is no oil in Roan, you made that up. They made a reasonable assertion that natural gas will not reduce the nation’s dependancy on oil, because it is not oil. You are taking their words to such extremes (interesting, because you take people to task for doing the same thing you are doing now).
So, an obviously flawed poll can be disregarded because the obvious flaws are a matter of opinion? Good to know.
Your accusatory tone makes me think you have some ace up your sleeve that you are going to bust out, but someone has to ask for it. Well, feel free to post it.
That’s a sad attempt to change the subject. Are you still a freshman?
Thanks for adding to the debate.
Like the majority of municipal governments and elected officials in Garfield County; 98.5 % of the 75000 comments received on the BLM’s EIS; 72% of people polled int he 3rd CD; organizations like CO Trout Unlimited (they have an agenda too–to protect the conservation–i.e. genetically pure–population of cutthroat trout on the Plateau; CO Wildlife Federation (again, with an agenda, to protect the incredible wildlife habitat left in the undeveloped portions of the Planning Area… really, the list does go on and on and on.
In any case, the methodology sucked. The question is rigged (there is no OIL under the Plateau, and drilling the last little bit will do absolutely NOTHING to reduce our dependecy on ‘foreign oil imports.’
Education needs to be a top priority in this state/country. The ability of the citizenry to think critically takes away the ability of special interests to manipulate opinion and votes.
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Talmey-Drake May 2007
d. [Split sample with c] Colorado’s public lands should not be sacrificed any more than they are now to meet the energy needs of the country, particularly when we have clean energy alternatives like wind and solar power available, as well as many opportunities for conservation [n=289]…………………………………………….. strongly agree 46% somewhat agree 25%
Anzalone-Liszt August 2007
Almost three-quarters of 3rd District voters (72%) want restrictions on oil and gas drilling on the Roan Plateau. 23% are opposed to any additional drilling, and 49% want to ensure that any additional drilling is restricted to existing sites near the base, while the upper plateau remains protected for wildlife.
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Just 19% of voters believe that additional oil and gas drilling should be allowed throughout the Roan Plateau.
These poll results are very similar. The history of public support throughout the 9 year Roan planning process clearly backs up these numbers as well. The Chamber poll is not only a dishonest push poll, but it is an extreme outlier. If we had good reporters covering the state (other than the Sentinel which did a decent job) we might have reporters asking these questions.
“Environmental groups this afternoon challenged one of the poll’s findings — that respondents solidly back Roan Plateau drilling, especially if tax revenues are used to fund higher education. Sixty-percent approve and 31 percent disapprove.
“The groups point out that the question posed to respondents — whether they support drilling on the Roan to reduce dependency on foreign oil imports — is leading. Roan drilling would be for natural gas, and would would have no impact on oil supplies.
” ‘Natural gas is very much a different substance than oil,’ said Deborah Frazier, communications director for the state Department of Natural Resources. ‘Oil you can run your car off of, natural gas we tend to equate with home heating and energy needs.’
is called that because it is designed to push the entire electorate, not just a subsample of 400 or 600 respondents. Every political pollster in America includes messaging information in their polling. But that’s not a “push” poll.
I understand that you all question the accuracy of polls that include information, like mentioning reducing oil imports by importing natural gas. That’s a legit question about a poll. But that doesn’t make it a “push poll”.
That’s just a poorly worded and biased question.
The idea behind a real push poll is to convince people to stay on the phone, just so that you can spread information about someone (like Bush supporters in 2000 calling tens of thousands of South Carolina primary voters, telling them that McCain has a “black daughter”, thus suggesting he had an affair, when he simply adopted a daughter from Bangladesh).
This is a little more than a “poorly worded” question, it’s an outright deception. I personally think claiming the Roan Plateau can free us from foreign oil is as bad as saying John McCain had a black baby (not that there’s anything wrong with that anyway).
May not meet your according-to-Hoyle “push poll” standard but it’s no less dishonest. If it hadn’t been exposed as a fraud it would be at the top of Face the State right now.