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September 27, 2007 03:17 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“I will never submit to fight beneath that banner with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

–Robert Byrd


55 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. A while back, relying on information from the Denver Post, I posted a comment to the effect that DPS had hundreds of positions which went unfilled and I saw t his as an indictment of the so-calld ProComp plan.  Yesterday, the Post ran a correction in type so small I had to use a magnifying class to see.  The Post was wrong and corrected its article. There were less than 100 positions which went unfilled.

  2. “I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there’s not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches.”

    — Strom Thurmond

    Robert Byrd was in the KKK way back when. Who’s in it today?

      1. I think Zap was being sarcastic. I for one, will take criticism of any politician as long as it’s meritted and not some flake one-liner out of disney movie. Know what I mean?

        1. that was part of Thurmond’s move to create his own party – the Dixiecrats. He gave up on the Dems because Harry Truman accepted those of color. The Dixiecrats then found their way to the Republican party in 1968 by way of Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”. They’ve been there ever since.

          It wasn’t that long ago, you could actually look it up!

          1. …you could just quit acting like such a child.  An angry, hateful, spoiled little child whose day is ruined because someone dared to hold Dem feet to the same fire as the R’s.

                1. Correct about what?  I’d like to know the year that quote was from.  I’d be willing to bet someone a beer that it was made when he was a registered Dem.

          2. But it was Hubert Humphrey’s speech and leadership on civil rights and the seating of african american delegates at the ’48 convention that lead to the dixiecrat walkout.

            Humphrey was mayor of Minneapolis at the time.


    1. All of us libs have a good time workiing up our indignation whenever Pols throws up something like this involving a Republican. We all know Byrd’s history and responding by quoting Strom Thurmond won’t change Byrd’s history.

      I’m not sure Pols is the one that needs to grow up here.

  3. A federal judge in Oregon ruled yesterday that two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional, marking the second time in as many weeks that the anti-terrorism law has come under attack in the courts.

    In a case brought by a Portland man who was wrongly detained as a terrorism suspect in 2004, U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Patriot Act violates the Constitution because it “permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment.”

    “For over 200 years, this Nation has adhered to the rule of law — with unparalleled success,” Aiken wrote in a strongly worded 44-page opinion. “A shift to a Nation based on extra-constitutional authority is prohibited, as well as ill-advised.”


  4. There was a time when a whole bunch of white guys in the South were Democrats.  It was left over from the days when the South hated Lincoln, A Republican, for freeing the slaves and defeating the South.  These gentlemen were called Dixiecrats.

    Then a Democratic President named Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat from the South, did something amazing:  he supported and signed civil rights bills in the 60’s.  He was excited to be able to do this, but he was also sad, because he realized that these laws and the Democrats’ support of them would “lose the South for a generation.”

    He was wrong.  It lost the South for a lot longer than a generation.  It is still lost, with no signs of raprochment. 

    But what of our old friends, the Dixiecrats?  They did one of two things:

    (1) realized that their racist ways were wrong, apologized, and tried to make up for the harm they had done (the Robert Byrd model); or

    (2) became Republicans (the Strom Thurmond model.

    Robert Byrd said awful things, and was a member of the KKK in the 1930’s.  That is part of his past and he can’t run away from it.  But he changed.  He said it was the worst mistake of his life.  He apologized profusely, and has supported civil rights ever since.  If you believe in redemption, I think the man has a claim to it.

      1. I think Johnson changed because he saw the political winds changing, not out of some deeply held belief that discrimination was wrong. 

        If you are looking for a blatant case of racism and disenfranchisement in present times by a political party check out the RNC’s “caging” program in Florida in the 2004 election. 

        Prior to the election the RNC would mail voters letters in predominantly black districts in Jacksonville FL, many who were serving in Iraq, with instructions “do not forward” on the envelope.  The letters to many of these servicepeople were then returned stamped as “undeliverable” to the Bush-Cheney campaign.  The RNC would then challenge the voters registration on the basis of this “undeliverable” letter and prevent their absentee ballots from being counted.

        What a classy bunch at the RNC – Strom I am sure is smiling down on them.

        1. Other than his intransigence on Viet Nam, he was a great president.

          The social programs he enacted have made a huge difference to the lives of many Americans and it WAS his leadership that got the Voting Rights Act of ’65 enacted.

          1. “I’ll have those n****rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” – Former Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson

            I wonder if he was trying to “buy” the black vote. 

            1. the Confederacy Ads the Republicans ran just a short 12 months ago in the south, comparing the Democrats today to the Dixicrats of old being slave owners and Klansman? Oh, right we can’t speak of anything negative against republicans who do no wrong.

            2. I might as well post it for you here:

              In the ad, the woman goes on to say, “Democrats passed those black codes and Jim Crow laws. Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan.” Her companion replies, “The Klan? White hoods and sheets?”

              “Democrats want to keep us poor while voting only Democrat” and, “Democrats want us to accept same-sex marriages, teen abortions without a parent’s consent and suing the Boy Scouts for saying ‘God’ in their pledge.”

              The ad asserts that “Democrats want to keep us poor while voting only Democrat” and, “Democrats want us to accept same-sex marriages, teen abortions without a parent’s consent and suing the Boy Scouts for saying ‘God’ in their pledge.”

              About the GOP, the ad says: “Republicans freed us from slavery and put our right to vote in the Constitution.”


    1. 1) Eisenhower signed the Civil Rights Act in 1957, which was written by Attorney General Herbert Brownell who was a former chairman of the RNC.  Unfortunately the bill had to be revised and weakened because the Republicans needed Democrat votes to get it passed.  This was the first civil rights act since the 1875 Civil Rights Act, also brought forth by Republicans.

      2) Strom Thurmond left the Democrat Party to run as an independent in 1948 and went back to the Democrat Party and switched to become a Republican in 1964.  In the 1970’s Thurmond supported racial integration, supported blacks to the federal bench, supported the Voter Rights Act and making MLK Day a national holiday.  While his past was not great, and he was not perfect, he changed too. 

      You want to look at a real racist, take a look at Woodrow Wilson. 

      The truth is, there are skeletons in both parties, but you cannot judge the whole party just by those skeletons.

      1. civil rights and he never did publicly state his support for the issue of civil rights.  Rather than lead on the issue, he had to respond to issues that were cropping up in the South like Little Rock.  Many critics saw this as Eisenhower attempting to buy African American votes since this act was primarily focused on the right to vote.  It did, however,  establish the civil rights division in the Justice Department and is seen as the first step in getting civil rights legislation going.

        1. Just because he wasn’t in the media every week talking about it doesn’t mean that he didn’t care.

          Look at the facts:

          1) He had his Attorney General draft the first civil rights legislation since reconstruction, including voting rights.

          2) Truman issued Executive Order 9981 which desegregated the military.

          3) Eisenhower sent 101st Airborne Division to carry out the federal court’s order to integrate an all-white high school.

          4) Eisenhower was the first President to appoint a black man to an executive level position in the White House.

          5) Eisenhower worked to achieve full integration in the District of Columbia.

          6) Eisenhower established the first regulations that prohibited racial discrimination in the federal workforce.

          7) Eisenhower was the first president since Reconstruction to meet in the White House with black Civil Rights leaders for a policy meeting, including Martin Luther King, Jr. 

          8) Eisenhower appointed numerous federal judges to the southern districts who were solidly committed to equal rights.

          The fact is Eisenhower did not do any of these things to get votes.  The majority of blacks in the United States at the time already voted Republican and didn’t switch until Kennedy.

            1. One person says “he didn’t do all that much”.  When that’s proven to be false, another jumps in and says “well, he wouldn’t win the GOP nomination now!”  Why, because he favored fair treatment of blacks?  Are you saying that only racists can be Republican?

              How judgemental.  Good thing Democrats never do that…

              1. You know OQD’s MO by now. Your complaint would be legit if Dawg48 had posted what OQD did.

                BTW, OQD, I disagree because most of the voting public (and hence both parties) are very turned on by successful generals, something that has been going on since our first president was one. Remember Powell’s rock star power before he opted to be Sec’y of State for W’s first term? Had he ran for POTUS instead he would have wiped up both the primary and general floor with all the other candidates (especially if he went for it in ’96).

                1. But don’t get me wrong, I’m not pinning all of this one OQD.  I think his statement (along with other’s attempts to poke holes in Ike) displays a certain level of judgement that’s only an issue when Republicans supposedly do it.

                  But to answer his question, if Ike was around today and had comprable accomplishments I think the GOP would gladly nominate him

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