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September 20, 2006 03:01 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

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  1. BWB issued a press advisory on Monday stating that he would begin attacking Bill Ritter yesterday for how his office handled some cases while he was DA.  We are now into Wednesday and still no follow-up from the Beauprez campaign.  Could we be witnessing still another mistake by BWB, Marshall and company.  You don’t issue a press advisory and then just do nothing.  The Beauprez campaign has foundered at every turn.

    1. BWB has hunkered down with his spyglass and tweed coat and is combing through each and every file.  There’s something in there somewhere – just you wait !

      1. unless you haven’t read the paper in a long time.

        Now I’m not going to use the perp’s name because I don’t want our friends at the Beauprez camp running out and getting the file.  If they’re not up to finding this on their own, shame on them.

        I’m going back a few years, but there was this drug dealer with a long record.  A big user more than a big dealer, but certainly a danger to the community.  All you had to do was look at his tattoos.  He had lots of them like “White Power” and swastikas too.

        Ritter’s office gave him a plea deal and I think he went right into community corrections.  It isn’t a secure facility, so he walked right out.  Before they knew he was gone, he and a friend found some old shopkeeper and chopped, stabbed and shot him.  It was a mess.

        Someone is napping over there.  Probably just as well.

        1. Willie Horton won’t work. BWB’s biggest problem is he hasn’t been able to find enough “bad” stuff to pin – excuse me, for the 527s to pin – on Bill.

          Meanwhile, I’m pleasantly surprised that all the sleaze that can be found out there concerning Bob hasn’t been dominating the airwaves – yet. I’m sure we’ll hear more than we want about the Russian mafia before too long.

          1. You sound like the unpleasant fellow at the end of the bar, but so do I sometimes, so let’s set that aside for now.

            A prosecutor does a lot of bad along with the good he does, and it warrants scrutiny.  Our duty as citizens is to weigh and balance and decide.  We are not vassals of this party or that.  We do not owe a particular party or its candidate our loyalty simply because he or she is.

            Even in the days of absolute monarchs the individual retained some sense of choice.  Remember your Shakespeare:
            “Every man’s duty is to the king, but every man’s soul is his own.”

            As good an argument as any against the mindless excesses that from time to time need a Nuremburg Trial to put right.

    2. Beauprez sent out his press advisory and then started looking for dirt – and couldn’t find any.

      When Ritter’s opponents are reduced to having a has-been like Jon Caldara remark that Ritter once “killed a man,” they’re desperate!

        1. I didn’t mean to imply they had new info that THEY were planning on releasing… I just meant new info about other things that are coming up. They wouldn’t be communicating with certain other groups of course, that would be illegal. I guess the tooth fairy told them.

    1. This is the party that represents American values? I pray not. From the NY Daily News:

      There is so much political corruption on Capitol Hill that the FBI has had to triple the number of squads investigating lobbyists, lawmakers and influence peddlers, the Daily News has learned.

      For decades, only one squad in Washington handled corruption cases because the crimes were seen as local offenses handled by FBI field offices in lawmakers’ home districts.

      But in recent years, the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal and other abuses of power and privilege have prompted the FBI to assign 37 agents full-time to three new squads in an office near Capitol Hill.

      FBI Assistant Director Chip Burrus told The News yesterday that he wants to detail even more agents to the Washington field office for a fourth corruption squad because so much wrongdoing is being uncovered.

      1. … Dems aren’t wholly immune from being corrupted as well. Witness William Jefferson and the cash in the freezer.

        But it’s definitely been increased due to the Republican “greed and wealth trumps everything” mindset. How quickly Newt Gingrich’s “contract with America” has been forgotten. (Not that Newt himself ever believed in it, the hypocrite.)

  3. interaction (or lack thereof) on Michelli’s show yesterday. Didn’t get it but was talking to two other Republicans who said something about Doug being on the show and Fawcett’s new ad coming on in the middle of the interview. Supposedly Fawcett called in – the rest was a bit jumbled, they didn’t hang for the whole thing. Anything to this?

    1. I understand Fawcett needing to get air time to raise name recognition, but I wonder how effective his ads will be on KVOR. They only have one left of center show, and I doubt the whole Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity crowd is going to be very moved by his message.

      1. but I seemed to understand that he gave Fawcett airtime yesterday. Anyone confirm that? I’m guessing Michellie is looking at Fawcett being like red meat and drawing ratings.

        I do know Doug proposed one of the debates on the Michellie show.

  4. So why didn’t Both Ways Bob vote yesterday in Congress?  Where was he?

    He has been missing votes left and right (both ways!) since the summer recess.

    Hold him accountable, voters! 

      1. but didn’t he say he was going to Washington specifically to carry out his job as CD7’s congressional representative? I thought that was the whole reason that this was an issue.

      2. He is supposed to do his job regardless of whether he is running for a different office or not. Since the last election he has missed more votes than any other Representative from Colorado.

        1. What earth-shattering votes has he missed? So you all are saying that all our esteemed congressmman are guilty of this sin – but just a little more so this year?  Maybe everyone should step down? 

          And I’m sure you just forgot, but Bob’s attendance record was better than the others the previous three years.

            1. So he could have missed 0 last year and all this year – and you would probably still be right. 

              Meanwhile, if he missed a handful last year and a few handfuls this year….. who knows?!  We could both be right!  Kind of like if dog were spelled c-a-t.  Poof!

  5. Ken Gordon has been out raising every other down ballot campaign by leaps and bounds, all without taking any PAC money.  I think it’s time to update the odds in the SOS race.

  6.   Senator Geroge “Macaca” Allen reluctantly and uncomfortably acknowledged that his maternal grandfather may have been Jewish.  Then he tried to pretend that this bit of news was very recent discovery which he made, and that he was excited about a whole new cultural dimension opening up in his heritage.  The downside is, of course, that those invitations from the KKK to attend the monthly cross-burnings will dry up quickly.

    1. nonexistent. fawcett is still trying to convince the people with money that he has a chance to win this race (releasing his poll last week) and the absentee ballots are about to be sent out. its too late for fawcett, he might get a lot of votes but not enough to win. he needed the monetary support combined with hefley’s comments.

      he just isnt running a smart campaign. also, when i talk to people who have met him around springs they are anything but impressed with his personality and ability to converse with others.

      and please dont call me a lamborn shill, just ask “blah” i cant stand that guy.

      1. CCtiger, I can vouch that you are not a “Lamborn-shill”. However, I agree that Fawcett needs to do more. Granted, there’s still all of October for him to start spending, but I feel that campaign momentum takes continuous boosts, and since Hefley’s remarks, there hasn’t been much for Fawcett to hang his hat on. (The Murtha thing seemed to backfire.)

        I will also agree, though this is a personal opinion, that Fawcett doesn’t have the charismatic draw to play the successful underdog. But that’s just me.

  8. How about the Congressman taking on the disgraced member of Congress, Bob Ney, and asking him to resign immediately?  Congressman Beauprez accepted $6,000 from Ney’s “American Liberty PAC” in 2004, which probably isn’t that surprising since the Congressman also accepted $3,000 from ex-Rep. Randy Duke Cunningham’s PAC in 2004, $30,000  from Tom Delay’s PAC .. and for an added bonus, a $21,000 trip to Israel to speak against the U.N, a trip funded by a reputed Russian mobster.  Maybe, just maybe he can then talk about being accountable to the citizens of the state of Colorado?? After that…he might try explaining to the voters of the 7th why he isn’t spending more time in Washington: word is that he’s back today, but he missed yesterday (after missing most of the last two weeks). He’s missed more than 20 roll call and voice votes since Congress returned to session after the summer break. By some measures, including the Washington Post, the Congressman has missed more votes than any other member of Colorado’s delegation.

      1. I’ll try and hold MY state officials accountable for what they do/don’t do.  We have enough work in Colorado alone to keep us busy making people accountable….I’ll make the assumption that someone in California is dealing with Nancy.  Trying to connect a dot or two between BB accountability as a CD7 Congressman/gubenatorial candidate and Nancy Pelosi on this issue is BS and nothing but an attempt to deflect from the issue at hand.

              1. so you can understand my response:

                IT IS YOUR ASSERTION THAT CONGRESSMAN UDALL TOOK TAINTED MONEY — NOW YOUR QUESTION IS, “SO YOU ARE SAYING HE DIDNT’ TAKE MONEY FROM NANCY PELOSI’S PAC”.  IF HE TOOK TAINTED MONEY FROM NANCY WHY DON’T YOU PROVIDE SOME PROOF?  OTHERWISE WHY DON’T WE GO WITH THE NOTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ACCEPT A LOT OF MONEY FROM PACS — AND TAKING MONEY FROM A PAC IS NOT ILLEGAL THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.  SHOULD I REPEAT AGAIN? IT IS YOUR ASSERTION THAT MARK UDALL TOOK TAINTED MONEY — NOW YOUR QUESTION IS, “SO YOU ARE SAYING HE DIDNT’ TAKE MONEY FROM NANCY PELOSI’S PAC”.  IF HE TOOK TAINTED MONEY FROM NANCY WHY DON’T YOU PROVIDE SOME PROOF.  OTHERWISE WHY DON’T WE GO WITH THE NOTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ACCEPT A LOT OF MONEY FROM PACS — AND TAKING MONEY FROM A PAC IS NOT ILLEGAL THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.

                FOCUS DUDE…FOCUS.

                1. Thanks…dude, for making my case!  Together we can fight all these hypocrites who demand that Bob return such ‘tainted’ money!  Nice to finally have someone here who gets it.

                  1. in seeing your proof that Congressman Udall has taken “tainted” money from Pelosi. Could you provide that link or reference, please?  For now, the only check that is going to be in the mail is the one I sent to my RuralPAC — can I assume you consider that untainted?…and I am still of the opinion that all of the above referneces to BB taking money from Delay, etal. is an example of what absolute power does to politics…it’s why Newt Gingrich had his day in the spotlight in ’94…be it ever so short.

                    ..and BTW…kudos on how you finessed these facts about Bob into a Pelosi/Udall issue…  I’m going to have to get up a little earlier in the morning to get ahead of you next time 🙂

                    1. You could be like me and never go to sleep. Last week over 3 straight days with no sleep. This week two seperate 1.5 days with no sleep.

                    2. All this so you can be one of those dreaded lawyers? Give up law school and come home and milk my cows in the morning so I can get a head start on Moonraker — after you get the milk bucket full I’ll give you lessons on how to be governor someday.

                    3. No, really, I have. It was a ten day camping trip at Philmont  (Eagle Scout). I also drank some straight out of the bucket fresh. Something I will probably never do again.

                      The sleep thing is horrible. I think it is mostly from stress. If anybody is thinking about law school, let me tell you now it is scary. I check in here at night every once in a while, but usually I am the only one on. My hope is to be one of the good lawyers. The school I go to is really big on trial practice, which is something that interests me, and I would really like to do government work (Assistant DA/US Attorney). It may not pay the big bucks, but I bet it would be interesting and fun as hell. And the benefits are pretty good too.

                    6. not the kind raised as dairy cattle.

                      they are hell to get a hold of and even worse to try to get milk out of.

                      sometimes at rodeos there will be exhibitions of wild cow milking contests.

                      usually a team of three:  one to hold the rope on the cow, one to hold the cow and one to try to get milk.  usually just have to get a trace of milk in a paper cup.

              2. Unlike Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, and Tom Delay, Nancy Pelosi has neither been indicted, otherwise charged, nor convicted of any crime.  So what’s the problem if a Democrat accepts money from House Democratic Leader?  Call us if and when she is ever charged with a crime and we’ll talk then……

                1. on that list as the only one to be fined by the FEC for campaign finance violations.  Cunningham had bigger problems obviously – Jefferson style.  What was DeLay convicted of? 

                  1. I believe that I said, “Pelosi has been neither indicted, otherwise charged nor convicted.”  Note the use of the disjunctive.  Delay has not yet been convicted of anything (yet) but he clearly has been indicted or charged by criminal information in Travis County, Texas and awaiting trial.  Bob Ney, of course, just pled guilty late last week and is awaiting sentencing.

          2. If Udall is Farm Boy’s “boy” and Farm Boy is one of “your boys” — that seems to add up to Udall being “your boy”.  You better get right down to his congressional office and demand that he be accountable.  I know the voters of his district are above average intelligence…and if your accusations are true then I’m sure they’ll vote “the boy” out.  Here’s how we’ll be able to tell if there is any truth to your assertion:  if the voters of CD-2 vote Congressman Udall out I’m sure you’re on to something REALLY big.

  9. If Beauprez no longer wished to fulfill his commitment to represent and vote on behalf of his congressional constituents, then he should have resigned as Congressman. 

    I give Rick O’Donnell credit for doing just that with his previous Colorado State job.

    Since Beauprez didn’t have the moral decency to resign, he should return his Congressional salary, which in my opinion he has not earned since he began his gubernatorial run many, many months ago.

    1. Saying “vote for me and I’ll be accountable,” and then being anything BUT accountable in your current job, is flat out dishonorable. So is running on a term-limits promise – in fact, serving as the chief spokesperson for term limits in Colorado – and then breaking your promise. Beauprez and Tancredo are cut out of the same shabby cloth, it seems.

  10. Call off the search for missing Congressman Beauprez!

    Both Ways Bob finally showed up to vote in Congress this week — beginning at 3:50 pm today.  Nothing like a leisurely stroll into the Capitol to cast a vote here and there.

    Can you believe he voted Nay on the Federal Election Integrity Act during Roll Call 458, and then 10 minutes later voted Yea during Roll Call 459 on the Federal Election Integrity Act? 

    http://clerk.house.g…

    He is definitely Both Ways!

    2. Those votes were basically on opposite things. One was the Democrat’s version and the other was the Republican’s version. I can’t believe I just defended Bob Beauprez. I doubt his supporters would give Democrats the same benifit of the doubt.

  11. today on the back of a general contractor’s work truck.
    One said: NRA Sportsmen for Salazar
    The other one right below it said: NRA Sportsmen for Beauprez
    What do you suppose he was trying to say?

        1. lobbying groups like the NRA view things quite that way. Typically R’s are pro gun while D’s are for gun control. Apparently Salazar scores well enough on the pro gun side to earn the endorsement.

          However…I tried to research online and found this:

          http://www.nrapvf.or…

          Appears to be the NRA’s PAC. They have only primary endorsements up, not general election ones. So maybe nothing’s official yet. So where did these bumper stickers come from? Your guess is as good as mine.

        2. Here is a shocker that I bet you werent aware of…the NRA gave Howard Dean an “A” rating. They care more about the issue of gun control than about other issues and are willing to promote a politician who most likely will advance those positions or has done so in the past.

        3. NRA and many other organizations endorse both Republicans and Democrats, so nothing unusual in that, though clearly the NRA tends to endorse Repbulicans much more so than Democrats.

          Organized labor also endorses both Repbulicans and Democrats, though again clearly they endose far more Democrats.

          For instance, this year, they are endorsing Ken Chlouber and Colorado Education Association is endorsing Lew Entz.

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