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September 26, 2019 07:09 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“In the lack of judgment great harm arises, but one vote cast can set right a house.”

–Aeschylus

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  1. WOTD from Adam Schiff via Kate Riga at TPM: "Schiff Opens Hearing On The Offensive, Listing Maguire’s Questionable Behavior"

    Go read the whole opening statement as Adam Schiff addresses Director of National Intelligence, Joseph Maguire. Smart, smart, smart:

    So what happens on the call? Zelensky ingratiates himself and tries to enlist the help of the President. He expresses his interest in meeting with the President, and says his country wants to acquire more weapons to defend itself.

    And what is the President’s response — well it reads like a classic organized crime shake down. In essence, what the President Trump communicates is this: We’ve been very good to your country. Very good. No other country has done as much as we have. But you know what, I don’t see much reciprocity here. You know what I mean? I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you though. And I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand? Lots of dirt, on this and on that. I’m going to put you in touch with people, and not just any people. I’m going to put you in touch with the Attorney General of the United States — my Attorney General, Bill Barr — he’s got the whole weight of American law enforcement behind him. And I’m going to put you in touch with Rudy, you’re going to love him. Trust me. You know what I’m asking, so I’m only going to say this a few more times, in a few more ways. And don’t call me again. I’ll call you when you’ve done what I asked.

    It would be funny, if it weren’t such a graphic betrayal of the president’s oath of office. But as it does represent a real betrayal – there is nothing the president says here that is in America’s interest – it is instead the most consequential form of tragedy, for it forces us to confront the remedy the founders provided for such a flagrant abuse of office, impeachment.

      3. That's priceless, PH. I was just remarking on another site that this is warming up to be a replay of Watergate for those too young to remember it. Once again, it's not the act, but the cover-up.

         

  2. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise !!!!? . . .

    . . . another bad great day for the misAdministration that couldn’t e-mail straight.  (Another great day for America the griftocracy . . . )

    That “transcript”?  As credible as an Alabama Hurricane forecast.  As worthless as a TtumpUniversity Doctoredit degree.  As legitimate as a Mar-a-Lago coat-of-arms.

    Another Barr-abetted cover-up . . .

    . . . Grrrrreaaaaaat — like Watergate!   MAGA!

  3. What about Pence?  If/when Trump is impeached and convicted for quid pro quo with Ukraine, what if Pence was also involved?  Pence would be disqualified to be president, too.

    Hello Madam President Pelosi.

    1. I share your dream but it is only a dream devoid of reality.

      Even if he were to shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue in NYC, at least 45 out of the 53 Republicans would still acquit him in an impeachment trial.

      My guess is that Collins, Toomey, Portman, Burr, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and perhaps one other might possibly vote to remove him from office. That's as good as it gets.

      And the Dems probably lose Manchin's vote in an impeachment trial.

    1. Sorry, but Barbie and Ken were always “gender neutral”. Barbie’s figure was so anatomically weird that it made her more alien than human. 

      I do support any toys that help kids feel like they belong in this world, so bring on the non-binary dollies. Just don’t expect us old Barbie handlers to get too worked up about them. 

      1. Better is good better.

        Pence, for any portion of the remainder the 4-year anni horribles reign of this sadministration, would be something less awful than Eric and Donald Jr.’s sperm donor. (A little church lady for a few months isn’t going to kill many of us — the country’s survived that already several times.)

        Pence has as much chance of winning in 2020 as Danforth Quayle, Dick Cheney, or dead Agnew . . . 

        (. . . assuming we still have elections by then, of course.)

        1. That's "Blessed be the fruit." and "May the Lord Open". I read that terrifying book on a business trip when it first came out in mass-market paperback, and  Pence is the sort that would usher it in.

    3. Actually, Mike Murphy said that some Republican Senator (one person) told him that if the vote were a secret ballot, 30 GOP Senators would vote to convict. 

      If true, it is a pretty damning indictment of the "courage of their convictions." [or in this case, their lack of courage in their lack of conviction.]

  6. Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record

    The cost of family health coverage in the U.S. now tops $20,000, an annual survey of employers found, a record high that has pushed an increasing number of American workers into plans that cover less or cost more, or force them out of the insurance market entirely.

    “It’s as much as buying a basic economy car,” said Drew Altman, chief executive officer of the Kaiser Family Foundation, “but buying it every year.” The nonprofit health research group conducts the yearly survey of coverage that people get through work, the main source of insurance in the U.S. for people under age 65.

    While employers pay most of the costs of coverage, according to the survey, workers’ average contribution is now $6,000 for a family plan. That’s just their share of upfront premiums, and doesn’t include co-payments, deductibles and other forms of cost-sharing once they need care.

    1. Maguire is no doubt wishing he could retreat to the plain and simple world of Counterterrorism.  He never got pulled up to the harsh glare of national attention as an Admiral running Counterterrorism forces or as the Director of Counterterrorism for the past 9 months. Instead, he accepted this "Acting" DNI gig, and in a month, he got to sit uncomfortably for a nationally televised Congressional hearing. 

      1. On that level, I sorta feel sorry for the guy. 

        However…when he started using the Whitest House excuse about other countries not paying their share, the stink began to leak out. Ideologically, this is a Trump man, or at least pretended so to get the job, who got dropped in the frying pan and is desperately trying to stay out of the fire.

        His "privilege" defense is pretty weak. As is the "President is not part of the intelligence community" defense.

        This not looking good for the Orange Destruction. Watch the mooring ropes for the rats…should be entertaining.

        1. No pity
          First, because when he took the job, he knew.
          Second, because of this: 
          : Director- the law says when a complaint of this nature is submitted and  found to be of urgent concern, it must be provided to the congress within 7 days.  Who decided to ignore that?
          : MCg: well, the sun was in my eytes, spin, argle blargle, and then my dog ate my homework, spin, talking point, etc and so on
          : Ok – well then we issued a subpoena. Whod decided to ignore that?
          : Director-the sun was in my eytes, spin, argle blargle, and then my dog ate my homework, spin, talking point, etc and so on

          Own it a-hole.  
          Example:  
          I did. I did what I knew was best for the country.

          freaking Oliver North and Al Secord all over.
           

          "You fuckin' people … yo hav eno idea how to defend a nation" ~ Colonel Nathan Jessup

  8. Quinnipiac has Warren 1, 27 pct, Biden 2, 25 pct.  Bernie WayWay Too Old 3, 15 pct, Edgyboots 7 pct.  

    It's a two person race and the lady doth kick butt in Iowa.  At least, the Bernie fad seems to be dying out, if not the passion for free stuff he brought into the dialogue.

  9. Trump just gave a tour de force press statement…..

    He used the word "disgrace" about 15 times, said Nancy Pelosi was "hijacked" by the far left, the investigation is preventing "gun regulation" (I'm looking at you, Negev) and immigration reform.

  10. Ed Perlmutter's H.R.1595 – SAFE Banking Act of 2019 just got passed without amendment (and by a sufficient margin to override any veto).  Banking for marijuana growers, vendors, suppliers and their employees is one house closer to reality.

    Reps. Perlmutter, DeGette, Neguese, Crow and even Tipton voted yes. Buck and Lamborn voted no.

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