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November 06, 2020 06:57 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Victory belongs to the most persevering.”

–Napoleon Bonaparte

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  1. Just to put Unca Joe's hopefully-soon-to-be-announced victory in proper perspective:

    It is plain and beyond dispute.

    All the myths about what America is, or perhaps more accurately, what America has long pretended to be, have been permanently extinguished.

    . . .

    Turns out, the so-called shining city on a hill is, instead, a black hole where hope, optimism, reason and the future go to die.

    Ayup.

    1. Ouch.
      duh.

      So, what's next (if/when)
      – GA Senate
      – fix the Constitution of the US re: succession and what if
      – USPS (New PG, IG) and remove that ridiculous requirement (accounting fiction) about the USPS pension
      – secure our elections from distortion or interference foreign or domestic
      – Immigration reform, starting with DACA
      – Citizens United
      – NDAA 1021 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedges_v._Obama)

      All while
      – Health insurance/healthcare, including ACA, if SCOTUS
      – NATO , especially Turkey
      – Yemen and NDSA 1021
      – European special relationships
       

      Meanwhile
      Senate 2022:
      WI, PA, NC, IA, GA, FL, AZ (Kelly won the seat vacated by McCain) , and of course CO.

       

      1. All while
        – Health insurance/healthcare, including ACA, if SCOTUS

        The ACA is quite completely doomed in SCOTUS. When the inevitable happens, the Biden administration will have to bump health care to Priority 1, to the detriment of everything else.

        Of course, there will be no new health care legislation at all in the next Congress unless the Dems win both Senate runoff elections in GA, a very tall order. Even then, the healthcare legislation we get will be only what the most conservative of Dem senators allow.

        After that? I dunno, man. The ACA was arguably the greatest legislative achievement in U.S. history, but it came at a big price. After shepherding the Act through Congress and negotiating the litigation minefield, the Obama administration was essentially running on fumes for the rest of its existence.

        1. Preach and I buy the next round, brotha.

           

          But – the greatest legislative achievement ever..
          depending on definition of 'legisilation'

          1. Emancipation
          2. Magna Carta
          3. Constitution of the United States
          4. Social Security,  Medicare, ACA, Medicaid
           

           

          I think about it… just 250 years back, a bunch of colonists said…
          'Hey, King George – we got another idea about how to do this thing.

          Then the rest of the 18th c., the 19th and 20th  centuries and here we are.
          Whatta we gonna do now?

           

          Count 'em all.
          You got absentee military ballots? Count 'em.
          You got a law in your state that says postmarked by some date, arrived by some date ?  Count em all.

          But you just got an intense feeling? suck it up and defend the Constitution and our experiment.
          You want a different result just cuz?  Move to Mississippi or Somalia. Or Venezuela. or South Sudan, Yemen or Russia. These are the places where just wanting a different outcome – go topple a government and have one. But you're not American any more.

           

          If AZ and NV hold up – EFFYOU Pennsylvania. And you too Georgia.

          (maybe especially you GEORGia – cause change your damn name, that George was a loser.  Or make it clear that it's all about George Bailey.)

            1. If Georgia democrats want to raise a Confederate flag – they're the problem. The state is named for a king – the colonial master. Ifn the local Ds can't see why the name is a problem, then they are a part of the problem.

              ANd in the end, GA Ds know I am a friend. My anger is really directed not at them nor their pained history. It's others. (Looking at you Florida)

        2. Gee … you are good.  Four days before the oral arguments, you already have sussed out a Supreme Court decision, the policy implications of that decision, and figured out there is no possible Congressional action that would gain the support of Republican Senators — including 2 who voted against a legislative repeal without a clear replacement plan. 

          Why would all 50 Republican Senators prefer to have a massive disruption in a fifth of the American economy as an opening gambit for an election when nearly twice as many of them will be up for election?  In the midst of a pandemic which disrupted health insurance based on employment. When several say OVER and over again that they want to maintain several key elements of the policy, like extended coverage for youths, no bar to those with prior conditions, and expanded Medicaid, and the only way to get those elements would be to get substantial support from Democratic Senators.  

          I got no idea of how the case, based mainly on the issue of Severability, will play out.  No sense of what remedy, if any, justices would hint as being acceptable.  No idea of how rapidly the Court would insist on to unwind an established program or cure the Constitutional problem. 

           

        1. Build Back Better and Trump is gonna pay for it!

          But they'll have to get in line, because I think the IRS gets first dibs on whatever assets Trump has left after the lawsuits and criminal tax fraud trials are over.

  2. Kanye West received over 60,000 votes nationwide.

    What?
    Was it a promotional stunt?
    Did he really think he would be a factor?

    I believe in celebrity. We already elected a weak actor and a reality tv star  and more are coming.  We can still look it up – but I think there's only been one Phd president. And it had been awhile since we had a lifelong politco (looks like we get one now)

     

    smh

    1. Wasn't he egged on by Jared Kushner into running? Even his wife tried to dissuade him because of his mental health issues. (Not that mental health disqualify a candidate from running and occasionally winning.)

      1. I lost ya – did you mean Kanye's wife, or Jared's wife?

        4Real – the "mental health" accusation is just not made enough and there should be an intervention for both of them.

  3. When I think of Joe Biden, and all of the grief and suffering he has endured, I think all of those things make a wiser, more temperate, kinder, more decent, more empathetic human being.  I am reminded of my favorite quote from Aeschylus:

    “Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.”

    He isn't the rock star that drains 50 foot 3 pointers (thanks Obama !), but I think his character is exemplary.  He'll make a fine president. Cheers to all of you, because today is a great day.

      1. And there are lots of psycho-historians who say Lincoln was great because of his deprivations as a young lad, his learning to live with the teasing about his physique, the re-arranged brain connections from being kicked in the head by a mule, and so on. 

        It may be true that suffering builds character. God knows, the present *resident demonstrates the obverse …. a lack of suffering creating a lack of character.

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