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If you look for reasons for the continued Democrat losses, consider the wisdom of the Pols Wednesday thread.
"Morality": does not mean what you think it means. You defend a little Calvinist set of principles about how marriage, sexuality, and love should work , and call that "morality". That Christian fundamentalism justified slavery, the subjugation of women, and genocide of native peoples. It is currently being used to justify destruction of the planet's ecology, and the concentration of wealth in the top 1% of people at the expense of the other 99%.
PP, If your aim in trolling here is to preach your "morality" to the heathen Polsters, or even just to gloat in your own perceived moral superiority, you would have more credibility if you were to apply your own moral code to those in power.
I'll take my lessons in morality from people who have a broader and more inclusive concept of it, which aims to guide us into a sustainable future, not a bleak dystopia.
I appreciate the clip and support it. Don't really know anyone who wouldn't but assume there are some.
There are 23 House districts nationally that were won by Clinton yet have Republican Representatives. I'm not sure how many more are in Republican districts with a margin of R+15 or so (the average overperform of Democrats in special election so far this year), but it's a lot – enough that some of the Republican gerrymanders might result in "dummymander" results in 2018.
The numbers posted in these 4 elections this year indicate a Democratic wave; a backlash. And Democrats have record candidate sign-up. The VA elections this fall will be a more interesting gauge of how big this shift might be than a series of historically R+20 special elections.
Seems the good people of Georgia did not take kindly to the Resistance and its assassination attempts. Probably would have helped if the Dems did not run someone from outside the District. Tough to pitch that the campaign is about local issues when you are not local.
A few years back the Dem spent $1000 and lost to an incumbent by about 20%. This go round they spent $30 million and lost to a rookie by 5%.
As usual, your facts are wrong, and your gloating interpretations serve your own narrow agenda. Handel was no rookie; she'd been Secretary of State for years, and was the original proponent of voter ID. I notice that you are celebrating Republican ads like these:
Actually, as usual, I have the facts, you have the spin.
By rookie I meant she was not an incumbent.
You do not dispute the facts I mentioned.
I think the ad you mentioned stated what a lot of people were feeling.
Ossoff came off as a nice guy, running on team Pelosi, supported by Bernie Assassin-types, which was a bridge too far for Republicans, who might have liked what he said, to take.
Facts:
Definition of "rookie": Newcomer to politics. Handel had 5 years as a County Commissioner and Secretary of State. She pioneered the voter ID rules and unsuccessfully attempted to purge thousands of voters from the Georgia rolls, based on having Hispanic last names.
Spread: 3.8%, not 5%
"A lot of people were feeling"? No. The "Assassination" label, which you are still peddling, is a blatant and cynical attempt to use a tragedy, insanity, and attempted murder to make political points and boost GOP turnout, through fear-mongering. You'll never own up to that, of course.
Ossof lived outside the district, which is legal under Georgia statutes.
Actually it is the U. S. Constitution that does not require residency in a district as a requirement for Congressional office.
"Bernie assassin types….." As usual, Andrew doesn't include the Oathkeepers and his fellow travelers on the far right wing militia thug circuit. Andrew can ignore the far righties all he wants, but he still owns them.
I did not say rookie politician, but you knew that.
The Bernie Sanders campaign worker was encouraged by the resistance movement to kill the opposition. I don't need to sell that. It sold itself.
Handel outperformed Trump in the district.
The violence of the left does not sell in middle America.
And a Republican tax cut bill designed to let 45,000 working class Americans die each year is an example of exactly what?
The GOP playing hide the pickle with middle America?
Bernie Assassin-types? Way to perpetuate the dip of our public discourse into the ever-deepening gutter, AC.
What Andrew consistently refuses to answer is does the violence of the right sell in middle America?
Hush mj. Shillboy is thrilled to win a 4 pct victory in an ultra red district the Rs last won bby 23. Plus, with no nnotice, they squeaked by by two percent in south carolina. At these rates, shillboy's paymasters will lose the house and senate when they have to run in competitive districts.
Your Dylan Roof Republicans are winning everywhere, shillboy! Keep spreading hate, celebrating murder and flying your confederate flag. Don't change a thing! And light another candle to your hero Timothy McVeigh of saintrd memory.
The Dems don't need to win R+8 districts in 2018 to have a shot at the House.
You are right.
There are about 27 districts in the County mover favorable to the Dems than the Georgia district they just lost. They need to win 24 of them and not lose any of the districts they currently have.
Piece of cake.
Oh, but we're also counting your help too. Very much appreciated 🙂
If you go by margin of the last House election, there are 68 seats with a lower margin of victory.
Nothing more than the usual hyperbole for 30 second ads used by both parties, nothing to criticize.
Then why did Handel criticize them, Pear?
It's good politics. That's why we love them so.
Yes, benefit from the ad, but cya by criticizing it anyway. Yes, we do love them so.
None of the special elections for the U.S, House have been in anything but Red districts thus far and in each one either the previous incumbent or President Trump won by over 15 points over their Democratic rival or Hillary Clinton. Again last night as in the previous special congressional elections this year, the Republican won by 3 to 4 points in Georgia and by the same margin in a bright red district in South Carolina. I don't believe that bodes well for the Republicans in the 2018 congressional election. At the moment, they are barely able to hold on to very Republican districts.
Georgia was a very expensive 5-point loss. But it just shows you – fight for every seat. You definitely can't win if you don't show up to begin with.
Democratic brand is such trash in places like GA that even reluctant Trumpers are turning out in special elections to keep GOP reps. #GA06
10:41 PM – 20 Jun 2017
Democrats need a concrete message to the middle class. The Republicans "health care" bill is designed to give families earning over $250,000 a tax break.
A family of four earning $60,000 (i.e., two earners at an aspirational $15/hour minimum wage) pays $1,756 in federal income taxes. We need a candidate that would cut that to zero. Note that the family would most likely spend all of that $1,756 refund which would circulate through the economy. The family earning over $250,000 would not likely spend any tax break they receive.
We need Democratic candidates with the spine to make this simple message.
A family that earns $250,000 is a benefit to the economy. They spend, save or invest, these activities benefit the economy. Spending is not the only factor.
They don't spend an additional $2,000 tax break; it's an asterisk.
I know.
Also, at the state level, there was an op-ed in Sunday's Denver Post from the Public Policy Institute (I think), that pointed out that tax breaks are allowed in CO for contributions to the College Savings 529 program, regardless of income. This is a nice tax break intended for low and middle income families to help offset college expenses. But, of course, it is mostly used by those earning over $250,000.
The same is true of pension income exclusions; i.e., it was intended for low and middle income retirees, but is also available to high income retirees. The last I looked, it cost the state about $20 million to offer these tax breaks to those earning over $250,000 adjusted gross income.
I think the Dems could find a better use for that $20 million.
Pear — $2,000 in the hands of a working class family gets spent almost immediately in the local economy — food, clothes, medical care for their kids, perhaps a computer to help with their homework, all keeping the money in circulation.
$2,000 to a wealthy family goes into a money market account, or perhaps to buy stock that another wealthy family sells on the open market. Very little economic benefit from essentially stagnant funds.
Ok, the middle class families spends the tax cut almost immediately. Is that the situation the middle class family wants to be in? I doubt it. We would all like to have a cushion in savings. Savings and investing is beneficial for the economy. Savings creates capital which is used by the small business to finance inventory, purchase new equipment, hire employees and other favorable outcomes. Wealth creation is good for the economy and good for you. Wealth destruction increase poverty. Not where we want to go.
"Is that the situation the middle class family wants to be in?"
You obviously subscribe to the Ivanka and Jared marriage advice: "Never go to bed poor."
What a dumb ass. You are the poster boy for GOP lack of empathy.
Not my fault you don't know how economics works.
Whose fault is it that you don't know?
PeePee looks at the world through a pair of stupid colored glasses.
In his world, trickle down economics actually works, though many years of evidence, culminating in "Brownbacks' Kansas Miracle" prove otherwise.
Ignorance can be cured….but not willful ignorance.
Pear, the point being made at the top of this thread is that cutting taxes for the wealthy isn't "wealth destruction". It is about where best to put our resources — a healthy workforce with thriving families, or giving the wealthy yet another break they don't need.
It is most dangerous when the Government becomes the arbitrator of "don't need", aka North Korea.
So you sound like an Arthur Laffer acolyte (who believes the Kansas experiment failed because they didn't cut taxes enough), or as real economist might say Arthur Ludicrous.
If you can't distinguish between a tax cut and North Korea, you're not much of a policy wonk.
It's easy to tell them apart. The tax cut has a better haircut than North Korea does.
Where is your empirical evidence that what the United States lacks is sufficient capital to fund growth? In fact, there is a problem with demand–and growth will come from putting money in the hands of people who will spend it.
There is so much capital sloshing around that Wall Street has to invent new things to invest in.
Here's the con job Republicans are pulling on America, as Con Man Cory knows full well:
Scott Tipton (CD3)v has a telephone town hall next Monday. To sign up, you must call his DC office by Friday at noon.
Tipton To Host Telephone Town Hall
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Constituents should ask about Tipton's baffling switcheroos on repealing the Affordable Care Act, and keeping protections for those with pre-existing conditions. They should also ask Tipton to stop misinforming his constituents about the effects of the CHOICE Act, which he voted for.
Tipton, and fellow Congressman Ken Buck, have also been promoting the idea that the CHOICE act would somehow help "community banks", and bring back free checking accounts.
The CHOICE act will repeal most of Dodd-Frank's limitations on Wall Street speculation, is basically a gimme for big banks, and will gut the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
Tipton's piece in the Vail Daily
Ken Buck's piece in the Greeley Tribune