After all, you’ve got the Denver Post’s own Ross Kaminsky willing to, you know, go there any day of the week. Check out this latest pearl-clutcher:
Obama’s energy plan mixes fascism and socialism
Essentially the plan mixes fascism and socialism, with the government moving to dominate the energy industry and partly redistributing revenue derived from it, all at a massive cost to business and individuals. (Please think Mussolini, not Hitler[…])
Got it. Thinking, um, Mussolini. Not Hitler. For some reason.
The public may have had blinders on for the giant leap toward nationalization of health care that occurred in the stimulus bill. They feel like they might be getting something, and they don’t yet understand that “free” health care will cost them much more than the current system. But “cap and trade” will be far easier for the public to understand, when they see the cost of everything go up…
O-kay. So where’s the mixture of fascism and socialism? Because we read the whole thing (truly, we did) and we’re kind of not finding any Hitler Mussolini-like stuff here. Not really that “socialist” either, unless of course you think all regulation is “socialism,” in which case, well, o-kay. Fascistosocialism (that would be the term if such a thing existed, right?) it is.
A clue to the veracity of anything being asserted here can be found in Kaminsky’s absurd claim that “free” health care (which nobody is proposing that we know of) will somehow “cost Americans more”–seems really amazing to us since healthcare in the United States by far is the most expensive in the world.
Who knows? The Swastika-bama thing is all the rage these days, he probably just wanted a piece of the action. Come to think of it, “Clinton Raped Juanita” sandwich-board guy could use a new slogan, maybe “Fascistosocialism” is a winner–too many more opinion pieces like this and we’re going to want to see Kaminsky and sandwich-board guy in the same place, though.
Many newspaper people like to complain that blogs are like half-assed attempts at journalism (if at all), and sometimes they’re right. But then why would newspapers choose to make half-assed attempts to create their own blog content? This isn’t thought-provoking. It’s nonsense. Gibberish. And embarrassing for Denver’s only newspaper to promote.
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You need to somehow incorporate that black guy into it.
Benitobamussolini?
Damn, this stuff is hard. No wonder most right-wingers go insane.
Barackosef Obamastalin?
I vote for that. At least the high-speed levitating train linking Disneyland to the Mustang Ranch would run on time.
Link is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…
Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline.[1][2][3][4][5] Fascists aim to create a single-party state in which the government is led by a dictator who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or a race.[6][7][8]
What people are concerned about are Obama’s fascist policies, which show he’s on his way to creating a modern fascist state.
I wish I’d voted for John McCain. I’m going to go join the Boulder Republicans.
I hope you inform many other people of this point of view, so that they too may have their minds opened. And please make sure everyone knows that this point of view comes solely from Republicans: no Democrats would ever be brave or astute enough to suggest it.
Of Democrats.
(in complete defiance of all evidence to the contrary); So, why don’t you demonstrate it by explaining what about your above post makes it so completely and utterly absurd? If you want me to do so for you, I’d be glad to help out.
(Hint: apply the concepts of inclusivity and exclusivity to the dichotomy you have attempted to construct, and to the assignment of membership to one set in that dichotomy).
If not you, then one of your fellow “liberal fascism” automatons.
Explain how any of this has anything to do with Obama, who was democratically elected and is passing legislation via the democratic process.
Remember, Hitler was democratically elected too!
they both like dogs! That proves it.
The Nazi party got something like 38% of the vote in the last election in Germany. They then turned their thugs loose on the country and that led to Hitler being appointed (not elected) chancellor.
Ya Factonazi.
wasn’t he the party leader? and didn’t the party get more votes than any other party? and it was more like 44%. that sounds kinda democratic to me. the rest of the world’s parliaments probably agree with me.
just sayin’…
and why i just wrote this without caps i really don’t know…
And he wasn’t forced on the German public by thugs. He and his most hateful views (he made no secret of them) were were pretty damned popular. He was a nobody from an unimportant family in a culture in which social rank mattered very much who could never have risen to power without a whole lot of popular support. The inconvenient truth is lots and lots of Germans loved them some Hitler.
As for what any of this has to with Obama? Nothing. Suprised Kaminsky left out Satanism while he was at it.
Remember the GOP thugs threatening and harassing the folks trying to do the recount in Florida?
[1][2][3][4][5] … [6][7][8] …
Higher than the Ramones usually ever counted, but the gibberish between the numbers isn’t nearly has much fun as a Ramones’ song.
Yes, I want to be sedated.
We’re gonna do it!
…with the help of milk’n Pepsi
defines fascism: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”
Il ObamaDuce.
By comparison with Mussolini, we also avoid Godwins’ Law.
Insults and false comparisons to extreme ideologies are all these guys have. Not ideas.
Once we start hearing comparisons between Obama and Attila the Hun and Pol Pot, we’ll know they’ve run out of ideas.
I”m not familiar with him, so I”m presuming from this thread that he is, like, you know employed and everything and gets a paycheck.
Disgusting. He’s writing blog content for the last paper standing?
The Rocky, R.I.P.
and he’s been known to post here under that name.
Not saying it is suitable to this usage, but it is irritating how talking about fascism, the political ideology, has basically been made off limits and assumed to automatically mean Hitler, The Holocaust, and Godwin’s Law.
It is a great handicap to honest discussion of political ideology not to be able to use fascism to describe far-right parties in Europe or the Republican Party in the US. In no way can the policies of the Bush Administration be aligned with any of the other ideological categories (they were certainly not conservative in the academic sense, nor libertarian). Fascism need not mean totalitarian dictatorship and genocide, it can, and frequently is, the product of democratic nationalism.
The problem is so many people make ignorant discussions of fascism (such as the above story), that the responsible discussions get dismissed out of hand.
As long as you’re actually talking about Hitler.
You’re essentially lamenting the fact that there’s a difference between connotation and denotation.
If you say “This agricultural policy is a lot like Hitler’s,” it might be true, and maybe Hitler had a perfectly innocent agricultural policy, so your statement wouldn’t be offensive to any educated person. Still, people will freak out about it, and you have to accept that.
It’s like comparing to Genghis Khan or Vlad the Impaler: unless you have a REALLY good reason, and there’s NO other way to say what you need to say, find a better analogy. You’re intelligent enough that you could probably find analogies for anything you want to discuss aside from Stalin, Hitler, or Mussolini.
So if a poster has to reduce it to one of those three, the reader has to assume that poster is just not very bright. Hence bright people will tend to look for analogies elsewhere.
in Romania…
I guess Il Duce is on the upswing of late in Italia as well…
Fascism, of itself, isn’t an analogy. It is a political ideology that does not have particularly suitable substitutes. I make no analogies when discussing fascism. I do not need to compare it to another example of fascism. I simply need to define fascism as a relative position to other ideologies and explain how a scenario fits that ideological construct.
At best, the analogy I would make is to say that this is NOT just like other fascist conceptions. Analogy leads to hyperbole or inaptness. For example, communism in practice has often involved authoritarian repression, but that is not a part of communism as an ideology. It IS a part of fascism as an ideology. If one defines communism by examples of communism, one gets a muddled picture because regimes are rarely ideologically pure.
Or to emphasize the role of hyperbole, one might look at the recently released Bush-era legal memos that argue the President’s right to operate the military within the country and largely ignore the first and fourth Amendments. This (unadopted) policy is firmly based in a fascist ideology, but that doesn’t mean it should be compared to extreme examples any more than Sweden, whose economic policies are socialistic, should be compared to an extreme of truly equal distribution.
That’s simply not true that those memos described an “unadopted” policy. Those memos were the policy of the Bush administration until they were repudiated very late in the administration by the OLC. And they were the basis for numerous actual activities by the Bush administration, including warrantless NSA surveillance of American citizens and indefinite detention without charge of American citizens arrested on American soil.
Remember, we still don’t know what the policies and practices were that got Justice Department officials (including John Ashcroft, for God’s sake) so upset that they threatened to resign in 2005.
I’ll leave to others the hair-splitting over ideologies, but there’s no question this country is just now emerging from a regime that declared the Constitution and Bill of Rights inoperable when the president decided he didn’t want to be bothered by the documents, and acted in accordance. There’s no other word for it but dictatorship, albeit a particularly inept and fumbling one.
The chutzpah of the GOP on this matter is breathtaking.