Monday Open Thread

“Rebellion without truth is like spring in a bleak, arid desert.”

–Khalil Gibran

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  1. allyncooper says:

    "Control the media and you control the mind"

    Jim Morrison

    The New York Times has written an open letter to its subscribers with a half-ass apology for its coverage of the campaign in which any pretense of journalistic ethics and fairness was  abandoned in its mission to promote the candidacy of the Anointed One.

    The Times has been receiving a lot of negative feedback about the reporting bias during the campaign from its subscribers and its elitist attitude, which was so transparent even subscribers identifying themselves as liberals calling The Times on the carpet. One subscriber wrote:

    “Perhaps the election result would not be such a surprise if your reporting had acknowledged what ordinary Americans care about. Please come down from your New York City skyscraper and join the rest of us.”

    Nick Crawford,  Plymouth Michigan

    During this campaign, I wasn't in some lofty skyscraper looking down at the great unwashed. I was driving around southwest Colorado where I saw almost no Clinton or Trump bumper stickers on vehicles, compared to other presidential campaigns. I attributed this to both candidates extremely high unfavorability ratings and the disgusting negativity of the campaign which turned off voters.

    However there was one bumper sticker I saw with regularity:


    • Voyageur says:

      Right.  Believve only breitbart and the klan, with  soupcon of hannity.  Never that commiebitch mevghan kelly.

    • Voyageur says:

      Right.  Believve only breitbart and the klan, with  soupcon of hannity.  Never that commiebitch meghan kelly.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      Is that the same New York Times that had front page & featured online headline coverage of the Clinton email indictments (August 2015) and Clinton Foundation "pay for play" indictments (October 2016) based on anonymous sources with knowledge of the FBI investigations?

      The Times coverage is worthy of criticism – but not because the coverage was one-sided.

  2. Andrew Carnegie says:

    Voyager insight:

    Democrat good; Republican racist.

    Allyn, the real consequence of the traditional media bias is it hastens their retreat from relevance.  The NY Times and the Washington Post helped write their obituaries during this past election cycle.  They have neither a workable business model nor a reputation worth saving.

  3. allyncooper says:

    When all else fails, play the race card.

    Why not?  It worked for OJ.

  4. allyncooper says:


    With all due respect, instead of posting disjointed cliches with bad grammar, could you please stay on topic and give us a coherent and intelligible response as to why The New York Times has published an apology for its bias in coverage of the 2016 presidential campaign?  

    Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.

    • Voyageur says:

      Thank you in advance for being the disappointed lefty who now brags endlessly about how he is  at the cutting edge of the Trump revolution and will undoubtedly be gauleiter of Douglas County, when we will be very sad that we dissed him.

      Happy now,Trumpy boy, or do we have to listen to more boring chapters of "The Motorcycle Dairies" in which you and the "mighty one" are transformed by the leper colony?


  5. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    New York Times issue/concern: doesn't really matter to me one way or another. I keep my eye on papers here in the West.

    "…..around southwest Colorado where I saw almost no Clinton or Trump bumper stickers on vehicles……"  I saw few stickers here in metro Denver; or yard signs for that matter. I don't attribute it to unfavorability ratings or negative campaigning. Rather, I think it's more a function of people moving to social media. Most yard signs I saw were for local races and a few for ballot initiatives. I broke my longstanding personal policy of no yard signs and put up a sign endorsing renewal of the SCFD here in metro, which thankfully won going away.

    • allyncooper says:

      That sounds like a plausible explanation as well. I really don't know if it was the unfavorability ratings or not since the numbers were so high we were in uncharted waters. Just something to consider.   And I didn't mean to imply it was just SW Colo. – your observations indicate it was everywhere. 

      • Voyageur says:

        One nagging question, Breitbart Boy.   If Hillary was so unpopular, why did she win the popular vote?

        • allyncooper says:

          When did I say she was "so unpopular" ?  I didn't.

          I have been in favor of direct vote for the presidency for years. If that was the case, Hilary Clinton would be president elect, I would accept that outcome, and I would support her as my president.

          I'm also in favor of term limits for Congress (which Trump supports), and a single 10 year term for Supreme Court justices.  But those things haven't happened either.

          I also want my 18 yo truck to never break down, and a pony for Christmas.

  6. Pseudonymous says:

    Obama’s Imperial Presidency Now Is Trump’s

    For nearly eight years, President Obama massively expanded his authority on national security issues: on the prosecution of whistleblowers, secret surveillance courts, wars without congressional authorization, and drone campaigns without public oversight. During this time the left, with the exception of some civil liberties groups, remained largely silent.

    But now this entire apparatus is being handed over to Donald Trump, a president with a penchant for authoritarianism, who will no doubt point to Obama as precedent to justify the continuation, and perhaps broadening, of these national security excesses.

    “Many Americans were willing to invest broad power in the presidency because they trusted the president. But obviously the powers that we invest outlast any particular president, and now those powers are available to Trump,” said Jameel Jaffer, the director of the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. “That was a profound mistake on the part of the Obama administration and Americans generally.”

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      I'm thinking that much of this authoritarianism originated with Bush/Cheney, particularly Cheney & his crew. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz all were young aides during Watergate and were determined to restore the presidency to its "proper position and role."

    • allyncooper says:

      I don't trust any president with broad powers.

      Congress abdicated its responsibilities in passing the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which gave Lyndon Johnson virtually unlimited authority to wage war. Five years later we had 500,000 troops in Vietnam, 50,000 American dead, and 2 million Asians dead.

      The Constitution clearly states that only Congress has the power to declare war. Any president who commits combat troops to war without a declaration of war should be impeached for breaching his oath of office to uphold the Constitution.

    • MichaelBowman says:

      Pseudo, the President-elect is apparently open to getting schooled by The Imperialist…(this isn't a story from The Onion)

      Trump plans to spend more time with Obama learning the ropes: report

      President-elect Donald Trump will spend more time with President Obama learning the ins and outs of the presidency, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.

      The president-elect's team reportedly was unaware of the fact that he needed to hire a full White House staff upon taking the Oval Office.

      • Moderatus says:

        Are you upset about this? Is your hatred of Trump so blind?

        • MichaelBowman says:

          Fluffy you need to pull your underwear out of your crack. Obama is being the adult in the room, a role he's played for eight years. You're apparently too ignorant to recognize irony.  Wasn't it Trump who called Obama the worst President this country has ever seen? Have you missed my posts indicating I'm fine with a 'wait and see' attitude (to the chagrin of a few on here). As Obama was quoted yesterday “the enormity of the office tends to introduce one to reality”

      • allyncooper says:

        Is this really some big surprise?

        I recently left a job after giving a two week notice. Much of my time during that two weeks was spent working with my replacement getting him "up to speed" so to speak on what the job duties were, status of on going projects, etc. to minimize disruption and provide continuity in the operations of the business.

        • Gray in Mountains says:

          Never has happened before with this job. Never had an elect so poorly prepared for his upcoming gig. Much more to know than your C store gig

          • allyncooper says:

            What's the big panic?   He's got over two months to get it together.

            Not the same scenario of course, but Lyndon Johnson and Gerald Ford had zero time to prepare for their presidencies, and the Republic didn't collapse.

            • notaskinnycook says:

              That's an absurd comparison. Both Johnson and Ford served in Congress before being thrust into the Oval. Trump not only has no experience in government, at any level, he seems unclear on the basic workings of a representative democracy. He's not only going to need some time at the Kennedy School, he needs a crash course in Civics 101 .

            • Voyageur says:

              Allen, that is a dumb comparison.  Johnson and Ford  inherited fully functioing Republican and democratic administrations.   Your boy Trump has to fill 41 dundred jobs in about two months.  It's called a transition for a reason.

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