Weekend Open Thread

“The final proof of greatness lies in being able to endure criticism without resentment.”

–Elbert Hubbard

92 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. DawnPatrol says:

    This treasonous, flip-flopping coward needs to be investigated — STAT!

  2. DawnPatrol says:

    Ahhh, you see, it all begins to make sense now!

  3. DawnPatrol says:

    And yes, yes it was, is, and always has been a bullshit story, just like Benghazi, indictments, grand juries, Whitewater, Vince Foster, blah, ba-blah, ba-blah, right-wing ad nauseum. Vote for Hillary, and do so proudly and enthusiastically!


    I'm off for another day of DEM GOTV, but may stop in later long enough to bang a few slack-jawed GOP troll heads together like empty coconuts. Get out that effing vote, CO Dems!

    • Andrew Carnegie says:


      The Dem GOTV is not working.

      Yesterday not only did more Republican ballots get counted (53,018), now Dems (45,402) are getting beat out by Unaffiliated (45,992).  

      It is ugly for Hillary out there.  Most people don't want a criminal as President.

      • Duke Cox says:

        Most people don't want a criminal as President. 

        Then I guess they won't be voting for a tax-evader like Trump.

      • davebarnes says:


        What makes you think that the Dimocrat GOTV effort does not try to get unaffiliateds to vote? Their database "knows" how every potential voter will vote. They contact everyone who will vote for Crooked Hillary.

        • Duke Cox says:

          He thinks the unaffiliateds are all going for Drumpf….?

          Perhaps he thinks "unaffiliateds" is a political party…?

          • FrankUnderwood says:

            He also ignores the fact that some *(perhaps even many) Republican women are taking Barbara Bush's advice – as opposed to Laura Waters Woods and Clarice Navarro's – and refusing to vote for the Groper.

        • Andrew Carnegie says:


          Dems are not voting in the numbers they need, post the Comey announcement. Do you really think the fact that Dems not only trail the Republicans but also the Unaffiliated yesterday is a sign of Dem strength?

          If so, I expect you will truly surprised on Wednesday morning.

          • Voyageur says:

            Ac, have you seen the Latino vote in florida and nevada.   Your racist pig candidate may give the white house to the democrats for a generation.  

          • Davie says:

            The only surprise on Wednesday will be if shamed Republicans don't admit that it was a mistake believing that they could let a snake oil salesman like Trump represent their once-respectable party.

            Trump is only out for himself, preying on gullible (and cynical) voters who are willing to swallow his miracle cure empty promises. If somehow he manages to get elected he would immediately start denying he ever made any promises at all.  Each day would bring a radical revision of any past positions or "policies" he might have "believed in" the day before.

            Even Wall Street is afraid of the damage he'll wreak.  Do you really think you're better off with a maniac like Trump?

            The only thing the GOP has holding the party together is their hatred of all things Clinton.  It really must suck to be you.

            • FrankUnderwood says:

              The only thing the GOP has holding the party together is their hatred of all things Clinton

              Well at least they found something to fill the void that will be left after January 20 when they no longer have their hatred of all things Obama to hold them together.

            • BlueCat says:

              Of course, Trump isn't why the GOP is no longer respectable. The GOP throwing away their respectability hand over fist to pander to bottom dwellers for decades is why Trump is now a perfect fit as their 21st century standard bearer.

              Trump is the 21st century GOP. Trumpians, racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic, xenophobic, misogynist, ignorant, seething with hatred and resentment, seeing conspiracies against themselves everywhere they look, are the 21st century GOP base.

              None of this is an anomaly. 

          • davebarnes says:

            I will be here on Wednesday and I expect you to be here also.
            I also expect you to reveal your real name as I have.

          • BlueCat says:

            Gee, AC. I guess you forgot to include a link to your evidence that Dems aren't voting in sufficient numbers. Unless you're just regurgitating a talking point? As usual?

      • Simply Amazed says:

        Looks like the Secretary of State missed that ballot count "fact."  According to the database, 7k +/- Dems advantage at the end of the day Thursday, same thing on Friday.


      • JohnInDenver says:

        Andrew — a bit more cherry picking from you. Who knew the trees were still in season?

        According to Magellan Strategies (a Republican founded data firm), at this time in 2012 the percentage of early voting by party was 36.8% Republican, 34.9% Democrat and 27.3% unaffiliated. As you may remember, the 2012 results were:  Obama 1,323,102   Romney 1,185,243

        As of the last Sec of State update, processed by Magellan Strategies: "The ballots returned by party now stands at 597,567 for Democrats, 597,194 for Republicans and 474,733 for unaffiliated voters…. The percentage of ballot returned by party is 35.3% Republican, 35.3% Democrat and 28% unaffiliated." 

        That means Republican down 1.5%, Dems up 0.4%, and unaffiliated up 0.7%. Would you care to argue Republican voters are more loyal to Trump than Romney? Or Democrats and Unaffiliated are more likely to vote for Trump than Romney?

        Groups under-represented in the balloting so far (compared to the final 2012 vote): ages 18-34, 35-44, 45-54. Hmm, wonder how those votes will break when they get to the polls? 

        Female voters are down slightly.

        Those who voted once or twice out of the last 4 general elections.

        Adams, Arapahoe, Denver, Pueblo and Weld counties are still below their proportion of the 2012 vote, while Broomfield, Douglas and El Paso counties are over-represented.

        In sum – where do you specifically see Trump doing so much better than Romney that he would win Colorado?

      • BlueCat says:

        You just keep telling yourself that, AC.

    • NotHopeful says:

      Actually, I think last night's activity in Nevada is a pretty good indication that Democratic turnout operations are working well. In fact, I think it's time for a prediction. Secretary Clinton will win all swing states except Ohio and Iowa (in other words, Clinton will carry NH, NC, VA, FL, PA, MI, WI, CO, NV, NM). She will carry all of the states that have generally voted Democratic during the past six or eight Presidential elections and I predict that she will carry one state that was expected to vote for the GOP (possibly AK, AZ, or TX). She will be elected with well over 300 electoral votes.

  4. Duke Cox says:

    Lots of gateway issues this morning….hackers still trying to shut you down?

    or was the system trying to puke up all the Andrew Carnegie it had to ingest earlier?

  5. Duke Cox says:

    More good news for Pee Pee, Fluffy, and the PissAnt..


    It's not working, fellas…

  6. Davie says:

    AC can suck on this good news too 🙂

    If you have a panic button GOP, find it,” tweeted Jon Ralston, a veteran political reporter in the state. “May be game over in NV for GOP.”

    Returns in Nevada and several other states with early voting ― including Florida, Colorado, Georgia and Arizona ― have shown large turnout increases among Latino voters. In Florida, as of Friday, Latino in-person voting was up over 150 percent from the same time in 2012. 


    Looks like the GOP strategy of relying on old, angry white men with one foot in the grave isn't going to work this year!

  7. Davie says:

    Another perceptive summary of why AC, Moddy and anyone else thinking a President Trump is a good idea have their head thoroughly jammed up their ass:

    As a group of almost 400 prominent economists (including 8 Nobel prize winners) have said:


    “Trump is a dangerous, destructive choice … He misinforms the electorate, degrades trust in public institutions with conspiracy theories, and promotes willful delusion over engagement with reality.”



    You may disagree with Hillary Clinton’s platform, but at least it can be evaluated. And she will pass her policies into law (or not) using our constitutional system – as opposed to Trump’s program of fantasy finance, demagoguery and promises of working outside the system.

    Let me end with noted conservative columnist David Frum’s explanation of why he voted for Hillary Clinton, even though he disagrees with her about most policy issues:



    “… she is a patriot. She will uphold the sovereignty and independence of the United States. She will defend allies. She will execute the laws with reasonable impartiality. She may bend some rules for her own and her supporters’ advantage. She will not outright defy legality altogether. Above all, she can govern herself; the first indispensable qualification for governing others.”



    Trump has none of these qualities, and a President Trump is likely to be an unprecedented disaster that our country, and the world, cannot afford.


    • Early Worm says:

      Interesting numbers in this poll. Overall, 44 -43 Clinton in  4 way race including likely voters and those that have voted. But Trump gets 47% to Hillary's 37% among the 74% that haven't voted yet. So that means in this poll, Hillary leads 2 to 1 among early voters. Apparently in Iowa election day voting usually favors Republicans, but I would rather have the votes in the bank rather than plying catch up.

  8. davebarnes says:

    Are you a Democrat? Do you want to feel better?
    Read this http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2016/11/data-wars-trump-bought-battery-powered-toy-car-for-toddlers-hillary-runs-up-engined-race-car-and-a-t.html

    “The data wars will contribute 4% to Hillary’s victory margin on November 8.”

  9. Powerful Pear says:

    If Obama had a son he would spew profanity like Jay-Z.

  10. Voyageur says:

    Quinnipiac today has Hillary up 5 points in Ohio!  She also leads in North Carolina and Florida.   Winning even one of these keeps the Pussy Grabber out of office and headed to his fraud trial.   

  11. Davie says:

    Psychologists are already deconstructing Trump's mental illness:

    For Trump, Aronson thinks reporters and political observers hold a mistaken fundamental assumption: that he is rational when he speaks.

    “I don’t believe that Trump is aware of the dissonance you refer to because he will say anything to win an argument at any time — ignoring the fact that he stated the opposite just a week ago, or indeed, just a minute ago,” Aronson said in an email.

    And somehow, the idea of it being recorded by the entire media for millions of people to examine doesn’t matter. (“The media is so dishonest,” Trump often says.)

    “There is one thing you need to know about Trump — and that explains just about all of his erratic, self-destructive statements and behavior,” Aronson said. “His self-esteem is both high and fragile.” 

    But someone like Trump sees any setback or criticism as an exigent threat to that very high self-regard. So no slight can be ignored. Every insult must be answered.

    “This explains why a candidate for President of the most powerful country in the world continues to tweet about some woman being fat, on and on at 4 in the morning,” Aronson said. “He simply must justify his previous statement by convincing everyone that she WAS fat. Losing any argument, even a trivial one, means total failure to a person with high/fragile self-esteem.”

    Princeton psychologist Joel Cooper, another pioneer in dissonance research, agreed in part with Aronson, noting “Trump’s erratic and inconsistent set of propositions, including the way he describes Hillary Clinton, is a commentary on his self-esteem.”

    And he agreed that Trump’s behavior defies norms.

    All of that raises an interesting question for Trump supporters. If Trump can ignore his own contradictions because he has a need to either shield his fragile self-esteem or hide his unworthiness from others, why can’t they examine the same recordings of Trump saying inconsistent things, and realize they make no sense?

    The problem for them is that they don’t especially want to see the problems in Trump’s statements and positions, said Devine, of the University of Wisconsin. They face real underlying economic and social problems of their own, coupled with deep frustration at the political system’s failure to address them. They like Trump, he speaks to what ails them ― and they don’t really analyze what he says.

    “They would easily identify the inconsistencies,” Devine said. “They, however, are not rationally processing the information. They have identified their guy and want to see him in the White House.


    As Moddy and AC have shown, Trump's psychosis is contagious. 

  12. doremi says:

    Andrew Carnegie, 

    I always realized you were conservative, but didn't fully understand you lack principles. 

  13. FrankUnderwood says:

    There is one Trump I do feel a little sorry for….

    That would be Melania. When she gave up the life of a model to be the third trophy wife for what we then took to be an egotistical and eccentric millionaire, no one ever told her she had THIS in her future.

    She probably figured she would simply have to spend a lot of time standing next to him at public events, saying very little (least she run the risk of taking some of the attention off of him) but standing and looking at him in awe.

    She probably figured there would be a lot of time for travel and shopping (definitely the benefits of marrying him) and the occasional performance of her conjugal duties (definitely the cost of marrying him).

    Nothing prepared her for THIS. And let's face it – it takes a certain type of person to be a political spouse. And that it not a partisan point. Whether we're talking about Nancy Reagan or Hillary Clinton, they each got in on the ground floor and knew exactly what they were getting into when they married their husbands. (As anyone who's watched House of Cards knows, I myself would be nothing without my delightful cold-blood, manipulative Claire by my side.)



  14. mamajama55 says:

    SNL cold open: Kate McKinnon goes all Lucy Ricardo while Alec Baldwin smooches Putin, the FBI, and the KKK. Then the actors break character, and….


  15. Davie says:

    On The Enlightenment of a Tea Party Journalist

    Looks like becoming the Editor of the Denver Post may have finally opened Chuck Plunkett's eyes to reality.

    Cigarette executives remind us of corporate America’s worst excesses, like unjustifiably extravagant CEO salaries and bonuses, insurers who thrive on denying coverage to their customers, knee-jerk layoffs at the first dip in company profits and business models that depend on paying poverty wages with few or no benefits, outsourcing to foreign sweat shops or showing the door to older, more expensive employees, despite their years of dedicated service.

    For all the justifiable criticism of our major political parties and bloated government bureaucracies, we ought to remember that it is our corporate culture that too often is the rottenness that has poisoned the people’s belief that this is a country that’s got their back.

    What I’ve come up with is that too often those of us who champion free markets and who push back at excessive government regulation sometimes forgot it also is important to call BS on businesses that harm others.

    Ideally, a freedom-loving people also would strive to create business and corporate cultures that support the human experience.

    As opposed, to, you know, enslaving lives to suffering in order to swell the bottom line.


  16. Davie says:

    Voting for Donald Trump — what could go wrong?

    Donald Trump is still a long shot, consistently trailing Clinton in key swing states, but the stock market seems to be evaluating his odds for what they are: a low, if real, chance of economic harm.

    Deporting some 11 million undocumented immigrants, building a wall along the border with America’s third biggest trading partner, starting a trade war with Mexico and China that would destroy 4 million U.S. jobs: These are all deeply harmful economic policies. 

    Moody’s says Trump’s policies would throw the U.S. economy into the longest recession since the Great Depression. Citigroup thinks a Trump win could cause a global depression. By a different measure, Trump in the White House would cause the American economy to shrink by $1 trillion over five years, according to British research firm Oxford Economics.


  17. notaskinnycook says:

    Heard on This Week: “When you don't like a candidate, he can still win, but when a candidate doesn't like you, he's in trouble"

  18. Pseudonymous says:

    Hey, wait a minute!  I thought condos weren't getting built because we held builders responsible when they built crap homes…

    Ultra-low construction unemployment a drag on state economy

    Nowhere are construction workers in shorter supply than in Colorado, where the shortfall has left the state unable to keep up with population gains and vulnerable to losing its economic momentum.

    “We are at full capacity as to what we can build,” said Michael Gifford, president and CEO of the Associated General Contractors of Colorado. “We could do a lot more construction, but we have a limiting factor.”

    • MichaelBowman says:

      Just like "the loan sharks will leave the  state if we institute payday lender reform"? 

    • mamajama55 says:

      Hidden in that article is the main reason construction workers aren't sticking around in Colorado: There's no affordable housing available.

      “We don’t have enough working-class housing. It is a challenge,” Smith said.

      Construction companies are razing ranch houses in Glendale, and putting up mega-mansions, they are making high rise office buildings in downtown Denver, and cookie-cutter subdivisions everywhere.

      Metro Denver now has some of the highest rents and home prices of any city not located on a coast. Vacancy rates for affordable apartments in the suburbs run in the 2 percent to 3 percent range.

      In Denver, even the sleazy motels on Colfax have doubled their rates. There is nowhere that a person making less than $20 an hour full time can stay.

  19. Davie says:

    Donald Trump wants to finish his campaign the same way he started it — UGLY:

    The new ad from Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump ― which warns of evil global elites and uses three Jewish people as examples ― adopts the language of anti-Semites, the head of the Anti-Defamation League said on Sunday.



  20. mamajama55 says:

    Small earthquake this morning in the Kersey area east of Greeley. The 3.1 magnitude quake was felt by hundreds, reported by dozens. Earthquakes are related to the injection of liquid waste from fracking into the fractured zone under the earth.


    The quake likely will spark more concerns about injection wells from oil and gas drilling activity in Weld County. Two small quakes northeast of Greeley were recorded on May 31 and June 23, 2014. They registered 3.2 and 2.8 on the Richter scale, and both were attributed to a nearby injection well. Both earthquakes were also centered northeast of Greeley, and north of Kersey.

    Injections wells are not associated with fracking or drilling of oil wells, but they are used to dispose of wastewater produced from drilling activity. Companies inject the wastewater into the wells, which are typically deeper than those drilled for oil and gas. If there are faults or fissures underground, the water can fill the fissure and act as a lubricant, which can lead to shifting that causes earthquakes.

    There are about 30 injection wells in Weld County.

    A nearby injection well, one near the Greeley-Weld County Airport, was ordered shut down after the 2014 quakes and seismic studies were conducted by the University of Colorado. That injection well was allowed to reopen and there has been no other earthquake activity in the region, until Sunday.

    According to Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission records, another injection well is at Weld County roads 54 and 49, about 2.5 miles southeast of the epicenter.

    The COGCC’s online geographic information system, which provides data about oil and gas activities in Colorado, shows a well by PDC Energy at the same location as the epicenter. It has a status of “drilling,” according the COGCC.

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