Monday Open Thread

“Little deeds are like little seeds, they grow to flowers or to weeds.”

–Daniel D. Palmer

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  1. Zappatero says:

    (Pols, you gotta quit sleeping in so late…….our blogospherically challenged state needs you.)

    Republican Consultant, John McCain's 2008 Presidential Campaign Manager, and actually nice guy and clinically sane Republican (he's on Rachel Maddow's show quite regularly, which surely makes Tea Party heads explode every time) Steve Schmidt comments on Donald Herr Trump The Sexual Molester and Totalitarian Fascist Wannabe:

    "Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the 45th President of the United States.

    Chuck Schumer will be the Majority Leader of the United States Senate.

    And the only question that's still up in the air is how close the Democrats will come to retaking the House Majority.

    "What this exposes, though, is much deeper and it goes to the Republican Party as an institution. This candidacy, the magnitude of its disgrace to the country, is almost impossible to articulate."

    Not impossible, because he articulated it. Unfortunately, this is the Fox News/Hate Radio world in which our friends and neighbors live, and that's unlikely to change until Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, that despicable Savage Weiner, horrendous moralist Dennis Prager, and a 100 others are forcibly removed from the public airwaves by Hillary's Media Police Armada.

    Steve continued:

    "But it has exposed the intellectual rot in the Republican Party. It has exposed at a massive level the hypocrisy, the modern day money changers in the temple like Jerry Falwell Jr"

    "And so, this party, to go forward and to represent a conservative vision for America, has great soul searching to do.

    And what we've seen and the danger for all of these candidates is over the course of the last year, these, these candidates who have repeatedly put their party ahead of their country, denying what is so obviously clear to anybody who's watching about his complete and total manifest unfitness for this office.

    Agree 100%.

    And if Dems were really smart and about as half as bloodthirsty politically as Republicans are, they'd win the House, too. 

    But Dems are always trying to be the adult in the room who doesn't really want to own the consequences of being the adult in the room, which gives Republicans an opening in almost every rhetorical and policy imperative.

  2. Andrew Carnegie says:

    What a Rapist looks like when he sees his victims while he is sitting next to his daughter.

    • Zappatero says:

      Thanks for completely ignoring my post from a quite respected Republican, AC. 

      That tells us all that 1) you couldn't care less about any facts or principles related to politics and that 2) Trump has likely given you a raise to $1.00 for every idiotic picture you post (up quite undeservedly from the .50 cents that the Koch Brothers/American Billionaires for the Prosperity of Other Billionaires had been paying you to supplement your salary as a Walmart Greeter. 

    • JohnInDenver says:

      Andrew Carnegie:

      If you believe Bill Clinton is a rapist, based on the evidence available in the public record, surely you believe Donald Trump is, too. Things line up fairly precisely: claims from multiple women, no criminal prosecution, a civil settlement, and on-going speculation in the partisan media.

    • BlueCat says:

      You do realize that if you have a history of being accused by many women of abuse, the credibility of which has just been enhanced by yourself on tape bragging about committing multiple sexual assaults, this is probably not the most advantageous chosen battle ground for you? A wash at best?

      Ditto basing the rest of your attacks on your opponent's truthfulness level when the fact checking average for Trump has been coming in at about 70% false with HRC's nowhere near that low honesty mark. Speculation is that when the fact checking on this particular debate is completed Trump will register significantly higher than 70% false. More like if his lips are moving.

      Besides, everybody's views of how Trump's misogyny and HRC's honesty or lack thereof will affect their choice are pretty much baked in. Pretty much everybody who wouldn't vote for HRC or for Trump because of those issues has already made that choice. Probably why such a high percentage said this debate didn't change their view of Trump. It certainly didn't change mine. 

      Clue for Donald. In making honesty an issue don't add new lies to the ever growing pile such as that you never tweeted "check the sex tape" when it's right there for all to see. Instantly. Regardless of how many heads ISIS cut off. That's kind of a separate issue. First things first…. stop lying if you already have a 70% false rating and want to present as the more honest one.

      Another clue. When addressing undecideds rather than your die hard rally fans, threatening to jail your opponent, calling her the devil, etc doesn't go over quite as well. These are not the people who are going to chant "lock her up" for you.

      But you know perfectly well that Trump is unable to locate, much less employ, a clue.

      Hmmmmm…. can I almost feel a little sorry for you for the position Trump and your party have put you in, AC?  Ummmm, let's see, thinking really hard, processing, processing …………….nope. 

      No I can't.


    • BlueCat says:

      Oh and BTW, AC. What's a Republican troll to do these days? Are you going to denounce all the Republican pols who are denouncing Trump? That's getting to be quite a list. Are you a Trumpian rather than a Republican now? Because it sure seems like it's getting pretty hard to be both.

      How do trolls, paid or volunteer, function without a united Borg radiating unified troll talking points?

      Wonder if that's why plucky if none too bright amateur troll Modster has been rendered speechless.

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      This one's for you Andrew:  Trump/Putin 2016   !!!!!!

      Intelligence reports are showing presence of Russian motorized rifle divisions in the puppet state of Belarus. Will they roll into the Baltic States if Trump is elected next month; or wait until Corrupt Donald is installed on January 20? What kind of secret deal has Trump made with Vlado, his best bud? 

      • BlueCat says:

        Actually Vlad or Vlado would never be used for a nickname for Vladimir. Oddly, in Russian, nicknames, affectionate diminutives are often as long or longer than the formal name. Familiar names for a Vladimir would start with Volodya and morph from there depending on whether you're being addressed by a close friend or by your grandma.

        Sorry. Blame it on my having read tons of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky and Chekhov for pleasure from my youth. I know. My brother always claimed I was the only person he knew who read those things voluntarily.

        There were strict conventions about when to use the first name with patronymic, just the patronymic, when to use or include the surname, the diminutive, an extra affectionate diminutive.

        The first time I read War and Peace I had to go back and start over once I caught on that so many of the names didn't refer to different people but to the same one.

        • Conserv. Head Banger says:

          Actually it sort of varies. I have a good friend; Russian Jewish background; in the greater Kansas City area whose given name is Mikhail, but affectionate name is Misha. I've also been to Russia seven times between 1994 and 2010 (but you had no way of knowing that). 

          • BlueCat says:

            Varies from what. Misha is the traditional diminutive for Mickhail and not really fewer syllables. Of course some diminutives are shorter by mostly affection versions feature additions. Vlad is not the traditional diminutive for Vladimir.

            Also, depending on one's cultural background, Russian Jews may or may not bear much resemblance to Russians culturally. If your friend goes by Misha, though, he's culturally more Russian.

            One side of my Jewish family comes from a much more culturally Russian background. I got my love of Russian music and lit from them and they had those rich rolling Russian accents. The other side is from the Fiddler on the Roof type Yiddish culture and went by Yiddish names altogether. Except my grandpa liked to call my grandma by the Russian version of her name, Nadya, when he was feeling affectionate. It's prettier than her Yiddish name which has, as so many do, that coughing up phlegm sound in the middle. 

            Back in the old country, my father's side wouldn't have had anything to do socially with my mother's working class side except as tradesmen delivering stuff at the back door. Here, the working class side flourished, surviving the Great Depression nicely while my beautiful cultured educated Russian grandparents lived in genteel poverty from the crash on. They couldn't adjust. But my mom's side always respected them deeply for their superior education, more important to them in terms of class distinction than money.

    • FrankUnderwood says:

      So Andy, you disagree with the courageous (yeah, right….after the saw their party's polling numbers) stand taken by our junior senator and Mike Coffman in calling for Trump to withdraw from the race? You think they were wrong in begging him to stand down?

    • Voyageur says:

      AC.  MJ is mad at me for saying you wear your mother's underwear, so I want to apologize.  The police have reviewed the surveillance tape and it now looks like it was your sister's underwear you stole from that clothesline.  I'm glad to clear that up.

  3. itlduso says:

    As a political junkie, I must say I picked the wrong time to quit sniffing glue.

  4. FrankUnderwood says:

    Even Moderatus – in a rare exercise of good taste and decency – has opted to disappear for a while. Andrew, maybe you can actually learn something from him.

  5. FrankUnderwood says:

    It's official per the N.Y. Times.

    D.J. Paul Ryan told his caucus in a conference call this morning that he will no longer defend the indefensible Donald Trump. His only goal is to keep the Republican Congressional majorities.

    Kellyanne Conway responded by threatening to out hypocritical Republican office holders who have behaved as badly – or worse – than Trump.

    This sounds like it's gonna get a lot more interesting.


  6. notaskinnycook says:

    Dibs on the popcorn concession!

  7. gertie97 says:

    This belongs on the Tipton thread, but for some reason it won't work. So here is my two cents worth:

    Whoever does Tipton's thinking for him took a look at the GOP base, which in the 3rd CD is largely indistinguishable from Trump's base, and decided he's better off being a rat on the sinking electoral college ship given the R registration advantage. I know rational Republicans who intend to take a pass on the presidential race and faithfully vote party down ballot. A few (the brave) will hold their noses and vote for Hillary and even Bennet, returning to the fold for Tipton. But the bulk of the 3rd CD Republicans will vote for Trump, because they believe everything Fox, Limbaugh and Hannity tell them.

    I hope Gail's campaign beats him up with it and keeps hammering on public lands.


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