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May 11, 2016 07:09 AM UTC

Sine Die Wednesday Open Thread

  • 41 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.”

–Aesop

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41 thoughts on “Sine Die Wednesday Open Thread

  1. I'm going to take this clean slate and use it to thank my rep, Millie Hamner for all of her hard work. Also, my senator, Kerry Donovan for hers. Just 2 outstanding women representing mountain communities.

        1. True, though we do better in presidential years, suck in off years, which is why I hope Bernie will keep his movement strong and keep encouraging his core constituency, notorious for not showing up at midterms, to stay involved, help him keep working towards legislative goals even if he loses the race to be nominee and show up in 2016 and again in 2018 to make sure Rs are shut out of majorities in both houses, in state legislatures and Governships across the nation.

          He will retain huge appeal to his supporters who love his outsider status if he keeps making big noise on the issues and on the importance of their continued engagement. If we could improve voter turn out among minorities and under 40 voters by a pretty modest percentage we could not only keep winning but we could do it with more candidates who are strong on our issues. I believe this is where Bernie can do the most significant and lasting good, much more than he could do from the WH at his juncture.

          BTW, I presented this argument to my 33 year old Bernie supporting son and, while he still holds out hope for a Bernie win on the slim grounds that the math is not yet completely impossible, he assured me that he is no Bernie or Buster, will vote for HRC if she's what we've got to run against Trump and pronounced my position…. logical.

          This was during the course of a discussion with another friend of mine who is a big HRC fan, supported her intitially in 2008, with me in the middle as neither a long time nor huge fan but a supporter for 2016. Both of us old ladies also think Bernie has been and can continue to be great for the Dem Party and the country, just not as President, but would, of course, vote for him if he won the nomination.

          Accustomed, as he is, to having these debates (or trying to) with his fellow 20 and 30 somethings who are largely pretty clueless (not a dig at Bernie supporters. Many of his friends just have never paid much attention to politics and are literally clueless about pretty much everything political), when all was said and done he told us how much he enjoyed having a good vigorous debate with people who aren't stupid for a change.

          That was my favorite Mothers Day present:  I'm logical and not stupid! My kid says so!

          1. I have been a registered Dem for over 40 years. I have been an ardent supporter of HRC since she first hit the WH and said she wasnt going to be baking cookies. And I will match my progressive cred with anyone (some BernieBros told me I was part of the problem..hehehe…)

            Anyway, I am sensing something here. People are starting to come out of the Trumpian closet. People want to send a big FU to both parties. I see good solid Democrats putting out this anti HRC stuff and actually believing it. and of course, Bernie and his Bernie Bros will create chaos in Philly.

            As a white male, some might say I am safe but being recently retired, I am trying to think of an investment strategy that will get me through Trumps 2 years of presidency. He will either step down, be impeached or something and then we have President Christie.

            1. It's a real threat, Les.   I'm 70 living on SS and a modest pension plus the now mandatory IRA withdrawal.  Trump's economic imbecility scares the shit out of me.  Default on our bonds?  Try to wipe out the debt by hyper inflation?  (Ask Weimar how that went.)  My IRA is in Fidelity's Fortune 500 fund and 2015 fund, with a modest slice of the Russell 2000 and a soupçon of corporate bonds.  I don't draw on it for living expenses but it was a lifesaver when my daughter faced massive medical bills last year and I was also able to tap it to help my son buy a home this year.

              Hillary has far far the most fiscally responsible policies.   Bernie's mindless break up of big banks would probably wipe out about a third of the S and P, but he won't actually get a chance to do it.

              But a Trump Depression would make the 30s look like a church picnic.   Normally, I'd say put it in T-bills and ride out the storm. But he threatens to default!   Maybe it's time somebody put together a fund based on German and Swiss securities paying negative interest but at least not totally collapsing.   On the other hand, Wall Street knows the peril and I think they will do whatever it takes to stop Trump.   And don't worry too much about the Bernie Bros.  The only Bernie voters we'll lose in large numbers will be the Reagan Democrats and we never have them in November anyway.   

              And I think Hillary will steal that white married women vote — which Romney carried — right back to us.

              Or so I pray.

              1. This concerns me too. I too am old enough to remember the '80's. It started with Ted Kennedy running a primary challenge against Jimmy Carter because he wasn't liberal enough. (Competency would have been a more appropriate reason to run a primary challenge against Carter than ideological purity, but I digress.) Kennedy, the great left-wing hope, loses to Carter who in turn loses to Reagan.

                So what do we do:  we run Mondale who promises to raise taxes. That went over well……in Minnesota and in D.C.

                And what did we learn from that? To run Michael Dukakis who was a left-wing pinata for the Roger Ailes and Lee Atwater and the rest of those assholes to swing at. I still cringe at the answer to that debate question about capital punishment if Dukakis' wife had been raped and murdered.

                Then along came a talented center-left candidate named Bill Clinton with a wife who pissed off people for being too mouthy, opinionated and (the Bern-Bots will love this) too liberal. I too fell in love with Hillary when she said she wouldn't bake cookies! And lo and behold, the center-left candidate won 1992 election. And four years later, he did something that no Democrat since FDR had done:  he won a second term.

                I'm getting old – although not as old as Voyageur – and like you folk and a few others in here, I don't want to spend my remaining days under a right-wing Republican government controlling all three branches of the federal government. (Or even under the rule of a Peronist populist with orange hair, a large mouth and small hands.)

                But I'm also a little philosophical about it all. These things are cyclical and it may be time for our party to go off on the wild side and declare a trade war, run up the national debt by $21 trillion dollars to provide free stuff for people, and criminalize financial success.

    1. Dems really slow on the uptake with what voters are trying to tell them this year – our guys can't even see the parade they're supposed to get out in front of. I am planning for a Trump presidency, and since I'm White and Middle Aged, I'll probably be OK. 

      R's seem able to harness the populist energy of these things, as well as having the Billionaires to chip in a little organizational funding, but since their governing philosophy is a jumbled mess of soundbites and contradictions, they can't actually govern as needed by a country of this size. 

      Populism is a dirty word for Democrats – especially those like S. Bennet, and the folks who run this blog who think making fun of Stoopid Republicans is a good way to advance progressive policies – and the imminent result is probably quite predictable.

      As Atrios explains for the eleventy-millionth time:

      If you were an alien anthropologist sent to study this election, but otherwise didn't know a damn thing about about the American electorate, you would have looked at the polls and predicted a Trump win.

      …to the extent that your knowledge of Republican voters might have added a bit of special sauce to your poll analysis, we hippie liberals have been telling you for years that a sizeable chunk of Republican voters are absolute blithering idiots. Also, racist.

      This is not news.

      (D's must always go after that elusive independent voter, the Republican who can be swayed, yet who always eludes them by hiding behind a flock of unicorns .-z)

      I'm even happy to accept for sake the holy grail of BothSidesism that a sizeable chunk of Democratic voters are absolute blithering idiots.

      (Both sides do it, eh Mike?-z)

      The difference is that no one in power actually caters to those voters. They aren't treated as Real Americans by every mainstream news outlet. They aren't given their own response to the State of the Union address. Almost no elected officials will meet with them.

      Most importantly, they don't make up a third of the House of Representatives. The blithering idiots are on TV every day where you can see them, not just some random 19-year-old Ivy student who did a thing you read about in a student newspaper which made your boner shrink.

      People who don't know shit sure do get paid a lot to not know shit, and then to write pieces about why they don't know shit but they'll be sure to know the shit next time.

      If that's a little too gruff to go with your morning coffee, go read this or about 10 or 20 or these.

       

      1. ok, stupid commenting criticism: text displays in italic, so you can't use italics, then when you edit the comment post-publish, it won't take the italic attrib. You'd almost think a Republican designed the comment system.

      2. First, you're underestimating demographics and taking polling in May way too seriously. I suspect you are actually hoping for a Trump win if HRC is our nominee, vastly over-estimating the staying power of Bernie or Bustism and vastly underestimating other factors.  But I'm all for scaring Dems into not being complacent just because we're going to be facing Trump so…. keep it up. It's good for us. yesheart 

    1. We could have gestated an actual elephant in less time than it took for Sonnenberg to (inevitably) lose this legislative battle. 

      Back to the War on Coal…

      1. Kind of Zen, V. I have added a syllable and a season reference to turn it into a Haiku.

        When spring rain barrels
        are outlawed only outlaws
        will have rain barrels.

          1. When Dick Lamm ran for president, I sponsored a Lammku contest in the Denver Post. soliciting Haikus about Dick Lamm (and inspired by a Spamku site of haiku's about Spam.)  My entry:

            Lamm for president

            Does that make Kervorkian

            Surgeon General?

  2. Let's give a big hand to both parties for screwing up the two biggest priorities of the session:  construction deficit reform and transportation funding.  Kudos to the Dems for kowtowing to the trail lawyer lobby and keeping a major tool to combat housing affordability on the sidelines.  Double kudos to the GOP for blowing up the Hospital Provider fee, at the bequest of the Koch brothers, and derailing transportation funding.  For the party of "fiscal responsibility" they certainly have shown a total inability to actually pay for things they want.

    1. The #copolitics twitter feed has whats-his-face the Bundy lover guy calling all the 300+ orgs that supported the provider fee, chambers of commerce, groups like Club 20… Democrats. All of them, each and every one. 

        1. As I understand the provider fee it eases TABOR which is good for business, good for education and bad for a certain disgraced politician still doing time for income tax evasion.

  3. Maoism has come to Delta. Thank that Commie Lover Ronald Reagan and Poppy!

    DELTA – Libertarian U.S. Senate nominee Lily Tang Williams and Anita Stapleton, a candidate for the state board of education in Congressional District 3, are currently touring the Western Slope to drum up support for the repeal of Common Core in Colorado.

    There were in Delta and Grand Junction on Monday, and will be in Parachute and Craig today, and Steamboat Springs on Wednesday.

    Williams, who grew up under the oppressive Cultural Revolution of Mao Tse Tung, said she experienced similar educational strategies and methods in Communist China in the 1960s that are in effect today under Common Core: mental health assessments; greater emphasis on attitude and beliefs than on cognitive learning; a nationalized curriculum; extensive record keeping about students and their families; dividing students into winners and losers based on political reasons; no expression of personal ideas or individual thinking; severe dress codes; unorthodox teaching methods.

    I truly believe that the Western Slope Watchdog exists to make the Montrose News-[Sup]Press look good. 

    1. Sometimes I think the Wesern Slope itself exists to prove that my native Eastern Plains doesn't have a monopoly on whack jobssad  But you still have Duke Cox and we have Michael Bowman, so their is still hope for we non Front Rangers.

        1. Well, we usually don't compare El Paso County whack jobs with either Western Slope or Eastern Colorado whack jobs, simply because it's not fair for professionals to compete with amateurs.smiley

  4. Bernie won 52 pct of West Va., and needed 66 percent just to keep even in the race to tie Hillary in unplugged delegates.  So his magic number rises again, to 67 pct .  Two thirds of the remaining delegates are in just two states: California, where Hillary is up by 10 pct in latest polls and New Jersey, where she leads by 28 points in the Monmouth poll.  If Bernie wins everything else but loses California and New Jersey by these margins, Hillary clinches on June 7, even without her almost certain victory in heavily African American D.C. primary in the June 14 finale.

    But what if Bernie really catches fire, wins the small states, roars to a 10 point victory in California, and ties in New Jersey and D.C.?  In that highly unlikely scenario — Hillary clinches on June 7 by about 162 votes to spare.

    Here is the Washington Post analysis:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/11/hillary-clinton-will-almost-certainly-clinch-the-democratic-nomination-on-june-7/

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