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December 05, 2008 04:31 PM UTC

Open Line Friday!

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.”

–Ann Coulter

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  1. Glenn Greenwald column over at Salon.com:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…

    …Feinstein and Wyden are just two of the “senior Democratic lawmakers” who have “seemed reluctant in recent interviews to commit the new administration to following the Army Field Manual in all cases” — despite the fact that both Feinstein and Wyden said throughout the year that they emphatically favored such a measure and even co-sponsored legislation requiring it…

    What makes this so notable is that, for the last year, Feinstein and Wyden were both insistent that the only way to end torture and restore America’s standing in the world was to require CIA compliance with the Army Field Manual — period.  But as long as George Bush was President, it was cheap and easy for Feinstein and Wyden to argue that, because they knew there was no chance it would ever happen.  As they well knew, they lacked the votes to override Bush’s inevitable veto of any such legislation.  So as long as Bush was President, it was all just posturing, strutting around demanding absolute anti-torture legislation they knew would never pass.

    1. No one…and I mean NO ONE of any import in CA dares criticize the Queen of CA politics.  If she runs for Gov. in 2 years, not only would she win, we just might cancel the election and let her take over at the end of Arnie’s term.  🙂

      At least in NorCal, she’s the most ridiculously popular “embarrassment” one could imagine.  It’s remarkable…  

            1.    And for a four more weeks, Larry Craig and Ted Stevens are too. Funny how that works on your side of the aisle.

                And if the Nevada Lt. Guv has his way, he’ll be defending himself in fraud criminal trial while running against Harry Reid. Maybe Uncle Ted can serve as his campaign strategist.

              1. Reid’s opponent looks like he’s being politically targeted, but we’ll see.  Wouldn’t want poor, ineffective little whiny Harry Reid to have to smell the taxpayers too much longer.

                What’s the excuse of Jefferson’s constituents?  Did he get any money from the DNC this cycle?

              1. For whatever goofy Louisiana reason, the Dem Primary runoff was on Nov 4 and the real deal runoff/general election is tomorrow.  Fat chance he’ll lose to a repub in that district straight up, but there’s always hope…  🙂

  3. from Jay Marvin we have his up close view of our new Senator which concludes with:

    I’m not going to go into the rest here. Let’s just say Udall is a phony. He is cold, and has a well crafted image that covers who he really is. And let me also say I will never have this man on my show again as long as I’m on the air in this market.

    1. Maybe someone can shed some light on this, because to me, personally, it sounds like sour grapes. If it’s true though, it could be a sign of things to come as Udall makes the transition from Congressman to Senator.

      1. It was someone who is upset at how they were treated. But that in that treatment there does seem to be a common thread. The big question I think is – is this SOP for Udall or was he trying to gently distance himself from Marvin like he did with every other liberal in the state?

        The item that really jumped out to me was they set up the concert for Udall, and were told they could go if they contributed. If that is accurate that is definitely a dick move.

        Someone should ask Udall’s office. I would but I’ve generally struck out when asking them anything.

        1. Everyone who was on the e-mail list got that e-mail. It’s not like they were getting their noses rubbed in it.

          I doubt we’d be able to get any comment before the new session and Udall is sworn in.

            1. I thought it said that she had quit after it was all set up, and that was when they received the e-mail–just like all of the other Udall supporters.

      2. I read this and see nothing but Marvin having a pity party because his wife’s suggestions weren’t always jumped on by the campaign. That, and sniveling about personality traits he doesn’t like.

        This is total bullshit, and it isn’t the first time Marvin has embarrassed himself (Polis interview). Not to mention he’s kind of an inarticulate buffoon. Sometimes I turn him off just because of the clueless stammering, even if I agree with what he’s saying.

        How about a new drive-time talk show host with better interpersonal skills and slightly less grade school ego?

          1. Often feel they’re being treated unfairly. Sometimes after a while they are, simply because people find them insufferable.

            If you had any idea how many people were “strategizing” for Mark, too many (imo) for pay and not as “volunteers,” you’d understand why he couldn’t take everyone’s suggestions.

            But either way, to throw this kind of highly personal and public fit over something so trivial is totally ridiculous. Be assured I will not let Marvin near anybody I work with now, the risk of getting on his pathological shit list is too great.

            1. But I have worked and do work with Mark and his D.C. staff on a regular basis.  All I can say is that he has been anything but cold and phony.  Actually, just the opposite.  And his staff is the best in a Colorado office on Capitol Hill.  Just so I’m not accused of seeing the world through blue-shaded glasses, Wayne Allard’s staff was the second-best, in terms of access, follow-up, sincerity, etc.

              1. I had a visa denial issue in my family that Udall’s office helped us with.  They were very friendly, willing to help, and they followed up with us.  They were absolutely exceptional.

            2. with Udall on a couple of veterans’ projects.

              If he’d come to his senses on this Card Check nonsense he’d almost be a real person.

              Just kidding, he’s a good man, and I might disagree with him, but I have respect for him.

              Marvin is like a lot of the angry, crazy left.  They will never ever ever ever be happy.

              Nobody left enough for them could ever be elected and that’s part of their purpose.  If you’re wacko enough, nobody will ever actually ask you to be in charge of anything, or have any real responsibilities.

    2. This is totally hilarious.

      The most hilarious part of this is the guy who fancies himself as the “voice of the progressives” here on the front range appears to be somewhat of an embarrassment to a US Senator.

      Shrieky lefties are going to run out of listeners very quickly after January 20th.

    3. “love affair” with Bill Owens when he was governor and Mrvin was at KHOW, his one sided war against Jared Polis and his only recently deciding that Ed Perlmutter is an okay guy, I wouldn’t worry too much if I were Udall.  He’s in good company.

      Marvin is a phony liberal.

  4. when I listened to Marvin’s show before the election I regularly heard him saying great things about Udall.  Despite what’s said about Marvin, I’ll just say it’ll be worth watching how Udall handles his new statewide position.  Will he travel around the state frequently as Sen. Salazar has, and make himself available to his constituents?  Will he establish enough regional offices so that citizens feel his presence even when he’s not there?  We hope so.

    1. the merits of Marvin’s case but have certainly noticed that he’s not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.  And his long pauses, sometimes long enough to make me wonder if there is a problem with the radio transmission, drive me crazy.

      Spend much less time listening to AM 760 than I used to when it was fresh and new because Marvin, Rhodes and Solis Marich are increasingly hard to take. There’s only so sputtering and nasal whining I can take.  

      1. Marvin has a good heart but he is not the most articulate voice box around.  Randi Rhodes’ shrillness drove me away years ago when she was only on Sirius Air America. Neither have enough education or self-increased knowledge (autodidactism?) to compete with the likes of Hartmann, Bill Press, or Dr. Newcomb.  (The latter back on the air 4PM-6PM MST on 1480 KPHX(?)via the internets.)

        1. Let’s just try this instead.

          What do these ten people all have in common?

          Barack Obama

          Jim Webb

          John Cusack

          Louise Slaughter

          Maxine Waters

          Nancy Pelosi

          David Sirota

          Henry Waxman

          Greg Palast

          1. that you don’t like? 😉

            Where do they all post? Same place? Who outed them and how and why? What are the craziest things they have said/written? Any of them ever post here?

  6. This is from a recomended diary on DailyKos – Obama’s Ag Sec: FAR WORSE Than Previously Thought

    Ok, he goes through the list and raises some legit points on a couple although the diarist strikes me as way out there. But yes, legit reasons for concern on the others.

    And then he comes to John Salazar and here’s his/her full reason to oppose Rep. Salazar:

    Salazar’s on the Ag Committee, which means he sucks. I’ve had conversations on this at length with Howie Klein of Down With Tyranny. He’s got an incredible amount of knowledge about every member of Congress. The simple rule of thumb is: IF you are on the ag committee and your name isn’t Rep Kagen (WI-08), you SUCK. Apparently he owns an enormous potato farm in Colorado and he’s a Bush Dog Dem (i.e. conservative Dem who votes with Bush). I don’t have more info on this guy that I can come up with quickly… I’ll need time to work on it, but I know I don’t want him charge of our food supply.

    Yep, Salazar is unacceptable because he’s a potato farmer. I guess you’re only ok if you farm arugula in Marin County.

    Look buddy, if you’ve got actual specific legit reasons to oppose John Salazar then bring them up. But until then, speaking for the entire state of Colorado from the satan worshiping liberal left in Boulder to the Jesus worshiping conservative right in Colorado Springs – go fuck yourself.

    3. and almost all of the people I talk to are delighted about Salazar potentially being in this post.  Most all of them are super-conservative republicans.

      Leave who’s in charge of the “food supply” to those who are IN CHARGE, not some shit-for-brains blogger at DailyKos.

      I agree David that DailyKos deserves a giant FU on this one.

      2. that’s good enough for me to be opposed to J Salazar’s appointment to Ag Secretary. Here’s the GJ Sentinel’s take:

        We must admit we’re torn by the news that President-elect Barack Obama is reportedly considering 3rd District Congressman John Salazar for secretary of agriculture.

        If Salazar, the San Luis Valley farmer, were sent to Washington, it would open up the 3rd District for a special election and the possibility that someone who is far more dynamic and productive could be elected to replace Salazar in Congress.

        But the same reasons we could not endorse Salazar in his re-election bid for Congress this year make him a poor choice for Obama’s Cabinet.

        He has been a staunch supporter of the Farm Bill, with all of its overly generous subsidies to certain types of farmers. Obama needs an agriculture secretary who will seek real reform in the bloated farm bill.

        Salazar has also been an unabashed supporter of earmarks – pork-barrel funding which members of Congress tack onto budget bills to get money for projects in their own district. The Agriculture Department needs someone willing to speak out against that kind of funding.

        Finally, Salazar was largely absent from this part of the 3rd District until the final weeks of the campaign, and he was not a leader in some of the critical natural resources debates on the Western Slope. As Agriculture Secretary he would oversee the national forest service and its multitude of contentious natural resource issues throughout the West.

        John Salazar unquestionably knows farming, especially in the San Luis Valley. But we believe he would be the wrong choice for secretary of agriculture.

        GJ Sentinel Editorial Link

        IMNSHO, there are problems with US agriculture that will not be solved by continued support for any of the recent Farm Bills. The US needs to do more to support farmers growing actual food. The current heavy emphasis on subsidizing the production of the raw materials for high fructose corn syrup must end.

    4. The diary was recommended in part based on the diarist’s history of getting recommends.  Once you’ve had a few recommended diaries, people start pushing the recommend button a whole lot sooner regardless of the diary content.

      In the back-and-forth within the comments, the diarist never really does come up with a good reason why Salazar would be a bad choice – in the end, it was just his “Blue Dog” status that killed it for her(?).

      And I think we can all join together in saying that the diarist was really just out to lunch on Salazar’s credentials here.

  7. When I was deep in the Mortgage industry, these matters were a daily topic and often published.  Somewhere along the way, they “disappeard.”  Why?

    Here’s an interesting page of alternative government statistics; unemployment, inflation, GDP, and the money supplies.

    http://www.shadowstats.com/alt…

  9. Opinion piece by Ethan A. Nadelmann in the Wall Street Journal today:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/…

    But there’s nothing like a depression, or maybe even a full-blown recession, to make taxpayers question the price of their prejudices. That’s what ultimately hastened prohibition’s repeal, and it’s why we’re sure to see a more vigorous debate than ever before about ending marijuana prohibition, rolling back other drug war excesses, and even contemplating far-reaching alternatives to drug prohibition…

    Is President-elect Barack Obama going to commemorate Repeal Day today? I’m not holding my breath. Nor do I expect him to do much to reform the nation’s drug laws apart from making good on a few of the commitments he made during the campaign: repealing the harshest drug sentences, removing federal bans on funding needle-exchange programs to reduce AIDS, giving medical marijuana a fair chance to prove itself, and supporting treatment alternatives for low-level drug offenders.

    But there’s one more thing he can do: Promote vigorous and informed debate in this domain as in all others. The worst prohibition, after all, is a prohibition on thinking.

  10. from Yahoo

    Politicians in Australia’s most populous state could be breath-tested for alcohol before voting on laws after a series of late-night incidents that have embarrassed the center-left government.

    Wonder who would fail here…

    1. Sounds like that ditzoid ex-prez of CU saying that “cunt” was a term of endearment.

      Try that with your wife……unless you are John McCain.

    2. If you’re young and involved in a political campaign, or working for an elected official:

      1. Don’t put any photos on your facebook page. Maybe one of you, but not doing anything idiotic.

      2. When you’re out with friends, and someone pulls out a digital camera, make sure you’re not doing anything idiotic while the photo is being taken. Just to be safe, don’t let anyone take your picture, period, if you can help it.

      3. Just keep in mind that the things you do, say, and write actually affect people other than you.

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