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December 03, 2008 04:36 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • 74 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.”

–George Bernard Shaw

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74 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. The story and thorough debunking in the Tribune

    The ad that the Tribune ran anyway

    All state electors are now on Notice that unless you provide documentary evidence before December 15, that conclusively establishes your eligibility, they cannot cast a vote for you without committing treason to the Constitution.

    So like the Arkansas project, desperate Republicans are already setting up the “Chicago project” to try and bring down Obama. But seriously guys, what are you expecting to happen? Obama will visit Kenya and Indonesia to renounce his American citizenship?  

    1. Is a “truther”, therefore, a charlatan and a dumbass.  I don’t think it’s fair to call the goofulinuses promoting this BC thing “Republicans”.

      Now, wouldn’t it make sense for Obama just to send his original BC to the EC just to shut these idiots the hell up?

      1. I wouldn’t send my original BC to any far-right wackos, and these guys won’t be satisfied until they get their Cheeto-stained fingers on them. Yuck.

          1. FactCheck.org has seen it, other people have seen it, they all say it’s legit. But that’s not good enough for these guys, and nobody else cares.  

      2. his not guilty of ANYTHING other than lies, so I say fuck them. If they want to waste their time circle jerking one another over lies, let them go at it.  

  2. is priceless.  Silly me, I thought the Sorest-Loser-Ever lost because she got outvoted by tens of thousands of Coloradans.  

    The fact that she hasn’t even bothered to thank her campaign staff, or concede, and is apparently still drawing her fat paycheck, although it would seem her offices are all but closed, is proof positive that voters in the 4th made a sound choice.  

    Good luck Marilyn in the culture wars, now to be waged fully within your own party.

    1. Even Mark Udall has “closed” his House office – and he just has to move to the other side of the building. I agree that they should stay open to some extent, especially those just moving up.

      But to be fair, they all close down once they’re a lame duck.

      1. …I was at a Veteran’s Court initiative meeting yesterday, and Mark’s Vet/Military advisor was there. She told me that they’re hopelessly screwed by the whims of the GAO.

        The rules say that they have to vacate their House office by this Monday. Internet and phone lines have been cut since last week. And there’s no schedule for when they can take over their Senate offices, other than “soon.”

        They’re juggling every possible option to try and stay afloat, including my stupid suggestion that they rent an RV and park in the Hart office building lot. They’ve also debated squatting on Allards’ vacated office.

        Hell of a way to run a gov’t…

          1. 50 years ago this probably worked ok as the legislature just shut down. But the GAO needs to figure out how to do this when Congress needs to be in session.

            Since Congress funds the GAO, maybe they can get them to take the modern world into account.

            In the case of Udall, I would hope he could at least keep his Colorado offices running.

              1. from his Congressional website it has:

                Thank you for all of your correspondence and helpful input during my terms as Congressman for the Second Congressional District of Colorado.

                Unfortunately, with the conclusion of the 110th Congress and the transition to the Senate that my office is undergoing, I am unable to accept e-mails at this time. Please contact me again in January.  I look forward to continuing to hear from you.

                Maybe he’s only closed to the web.

            1. .

              I’ve got plenty to quarrel with the GAO over.  

              For nearly 5 years, they have repeatedly thwarted my efforts to get them to uphold US law that prohibits the US military from awarding contracts for Mercenary services.  They have thrown out over a dozen challenges and appeals on spurious grounds.  

              They have rejected my appeals to force the Army to reveal who they are awarding contracts to, and at what prices, for services in Iraq, Djibouti, Afghanistan and other OEF/ OIF locales.  

              Their audits of contracts in Iraq are mostly whitewashes.  

              But how can this be pinned on them ?  

              This is the outfit headed up by the Comptroller General.  

              GAO used to stand for “General Accounting Office, and David Walker (who briefs Jared this week) rebranded it as the “Government Accountability Office.”  

              It is a part of the Executive Branch.  

              Could that Udall staffer have meant the GSA, who manages federal real property ?  

              No, that’s also under the President.

              Maybe the Architect of the Capitol, or the Librarian of Congress, who oversees the CBO ?  The Sergeant at Arms ?  

              Ultimately, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid are the ones who control this.  Under the Constitution, the Congress manages their own affairs.  

              If a Congressional staffer is confused about this, hmmmm.

              .

  3. Throw out the Chrysler bailout … ahem Chrysler’s portion of the $34 billion revolving credit facility and you come up with a similar number …

    PERA has about $23.5 billion in unfunded liabilities, and DPS has about $500 million.

    http://www.denverpost.com/brea

    No wonder DPS is playing PERA like a $3 whore.

    I am suprised it took DPS this long b/c I recall PERA had a $9-11 Billion unfunded liability a few years ago when the market was kicking ass.

  4. “When she walks in a room, folks just explode,” he added. “And they really did pack the house everywhere we went. She’s a dynamic lady, a great administrator, and I think she’s got a great future in the Republican Party.”

    Ooooooh, Sarahcuda?

    1. A great administrator? Really? When was the last time she actually governed her state? Can anyone name one thing she’s actually accomplished for Alaska (not her family)?

                1. .

                  But our community member Jambalaya actually participates from Hyderabad, where British custom and usage prevails.  

                  In Queen’s English, she’s got it right.

                  Darn that globalisation globalization.    

                  .

                  1. None the less, I’m not sure I feel comfortable palling around with someone who puts punctuation marks outside of quotation marks.

                    It’s important to have firm values. If we allow things like punctuation to be subjective, to be relative to a culture, well then everything this country was founded upon will be destroyed.

                    If I am ever elected, I promise to carry a bill that will promote the American values, as decreed by our Creator, of punctuation firmly restrained within quotation marks. After all, once punctuation marks are allowed to be freely “outed,” it’s a slippery slope to total decay of the American Promise.

                    😉

              1. Let’s say you look at the left side of the screen and it says under the new comments that Laughing Boy has just posted “???”

                Excitedly you load the page in your slow dial-up connection, after a few minutes, and scroll down looking for the “[new]” comment to read it, only to find there’s nothing there!

                Oh the pain! Oh the agony!

                Or am I the only person who does that with Laughing Boy comments?

                Regardless, I think it’s an older tradition, from when many comment threads were formatted so you had to actually click the subject to read them, and this took some amount of time. There are still places on the internets where that’s true, so some people consider it good form.

  5. I’m reading on BBC’s website on their attempt to hijack a freakin’ crusie ship. I know they were surprised to find out that these things can haul ass when necessary, but the fact these thugs with AK47’s think they can take on these targets means it’s time to stop screwing around.

    My suggestion: Q-ships. In World War I & II merchant ships were retrofitted with armor, weapons and staffed with marines to take on Submarines and other raiders by luring them in with fake distress signals, then blasting the crap out of anyone stupid enough to get close.

    From the US Navy website: http://www.history.navy.mil/do

    The modern day version would have 5in guns and Harpoon missiles, and people recording the pirate attack on videotape. When the threshold of evidence is reached, and higher HQ gives the word, blammo!

      1. One of the commenters made a map that shows the disproportionate number off the coast of Yemen.

        http://maps.google.de/maps/ms?…

        Not really that surprising considering the Cole bombing, and the amount of captured or killed al-Qaeda operatives who are Yemeni nationals. I would not be at all surprised if the intel was coming from them or some other extremist group. It seems like the pirates are too disorganized to pull off that many hijackings alone.

      2. I mean, isn’t it a function of the pirates going to the target-rich environment? It also seems to be the closest area to the coast of Somalia.

        I was listening to KCRW’s To The Point Podcast on this subject (“Yo Ho Ho and a Tanker of Oil: The Perils of Modern Piracy”) and it seems like these are a bunch of unemployed warlord goons who discovered something more lucrative than fishing.

        However, the host asked the pointed question of how are the pirates getting their ransom payoffs. Both the insurance guy and the shipping industry guy would not answer.

        The other way to shut these thugs down is to “intercept” the ransom when they get it.  Maybe a SEAL or ATeam “happens” to be at the ransom drop point?

        1. Major transitional port.  It’s economics more than anything else.  Screw Yemen.  They’ve been playing both sides of this thing for too long and we let them skate.

          The other way to shut these thugs down is to “intercept” the ransom when they get it.  Maybe a SEAL or ATeam “happens” to be at the ransom drop point?

          I’m with you 100%. If the cheese eating surrender monkeys can pull it off, we should too.

          1. …we can debate the effectiveness of the Civilian side of their gov’t, but everyone I ever met from the French Military Forces was squared away and loaded tight.

            Esp. the guys stuck in Sarajevo during the Siege – they knew they were in a truly fucked situation, and they went out and did their jobs every day.

              1. SSG Dan I think your idea of arming the vessels that travel those routes near Aden is a good idea.

                Putting a few marines or sharpshooters on one of these ships (preferrably cargo as there are very few people on them) and drawing them in and just having them unload a heap of lead on one of these pirate boats would probably make all of them think twice.

                This latest one has 3 pirates on a 25 or 30 foot boat, completely open and exposed.  Not to mention the fact that one has to drive, and they can’t aim for shit as a small vessel like that will be rolling and rocking in the sea, while a large vessel is almost steady as if you were on land, PLUS you are from a nice higher vantage point. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

                I think the Japanese paid a 2 mil ransom to one of these pirate groups about a month ago.  Yeah, that’ll help the problem.

    1. an elegant demonstration of a consequence of a government so small it can be drowned in a bathtub.

      Anyone game for arguing in favor of government this small?

      Arrrrrrrrgh!

                1. First off, the constitution created a strong centralized government by the standards of the time. And it was a response to the disaster that the initial small and light confederation.

                  Second, things are a bit different now. Applying solutions from the late 1700’s to the issues we face today is nonsense.

                  1. Applying solutions from the late 1700’s to the issues we face today is nonsense.

                    Freedom of speech?

                    Separation of church and State?  (I realize that was in Jefferson’s letters, just trying to poke you where it hurts).

                    The right to bear arms?  Oh – never mind.  Forgot who I was talking to….

                    (_*_)

                    1. But I still posit that the complexity, interconnectedness, and speed of society today makes many of the approaches from back then useless today.

                      Oh, and as I grew up in Hawaii I strongly support the right to bare arms.

      1. This  “county” makes the days of Mahdi look like the Department of Motor Vehicles. Geez, even the Italians could run this place better…

        It’s the Islamic Front vs the Puppet Gov’t  installed by the Ethiopians. When the UN/US was running the show in the 90’s, the disbanded Somali Police force came back to work for free to keep order. Now it’s like a level in a bad FPS…

        1. are mainly fisherman who view it as a way to provide nicely for their families and they really aren’t interested in hurting or killing.  They just want the profit.  Apparently they are the world’s least scary pirates as long as they get paid.

    2. Hide SpecOps among the passengers on hijack targets. As soon as the bad guys board they wax ’em, record it, and hand it to the Yemeni government with a message:

      Send more targets

      Love and Kisses,

      SEAL Team 6

      1. .

        Maybe, in order to blend in, they could use some old, gray, fat SF vets who look like civilians and retirees.  

        What great duty that would be!

        Could I bring the wife ?  

        But this is the first that I heard it suggested that the Yemeni government was involved.  

        .

      2. don’t we regularly chastise governments and other “organizations” that hide their armed personnel among civilians?

        What do you think pirates will do if they have a concern that there are SpecOps (or whatever) among the other passengers/crew?

        I’m guessing we would just see an escalation in firepower and death.

        1. is that no one knows. And for some of our flag officers, that means not alerting Fox News or embedding journalists.

          We have teams trained just to attack bad guys like this. We should let them off the chain once in a while.

          You wouldn’t have to use them among civilian poassengers. Use a cargo ship and crew it with a Joint Special Operations Unit, or make it an international gamne and invite the Germans, French, and British SpecOps teams.

  6. from FiveThurtyEight

    Elections officials in Minnesota’s largest city today discovered that one precinct came up 133 ballots short of election day totals, resulting in a net loss for Democratic challenger Al Franken of 36 votes.

    So, what happens if they can’t find the missing votes, and the final total has Norm Coleman winning by less than 36 votes?

  7. .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12

    There are several definitions of WMD.  

    Under some definitions, chemical and even bio weapons are not considered WMD, because they are so darn hard to employ effectively.  Their effectiveness is highly dependent on local weather conditions.  

    But under definitions I’m familiar with, cluster munitions could be argued to qualify as WMD.  In practical terms, they are also covered under the Convention on Land Mines,

    http://www.icbl.org/treaty

    because so many munitions fail initially, only to become de facto land mines.

    The US has millions of land mines in South Korea, and claims that we cannot defend against invasion across the Han and Imjin Rivers without them.   They are in minefields that are clearly marked.  I actually “commanded” some of them when I was stationed there.  That’s why we refuse to sign the Land Mine Ban Treaty.  

    But this is really different.  It is my estimation that cluster munitions inflict more casualties on civilians than on combatants.  

    Now, cluster bomb manufacturing is big business in Mesa, AZ, Silicon Valley, and Eastern Texas.  Maybe that’s a factor.  

    But these are inhumane, indiscriminate weapons.  

    If you check the graphic that accompanies the NYT article, you’ll see that dozens of small countries that are highly dependent on US benevolence, like the Bahamas, also refuse to sign this treaty.  

    If we are going to transition from bullying and intimidation in the international arena, ready to flex military muscle at the drop of a hat,

    to a leader of consensus coalitions,

    it could sure help win hearts and minds in those countries with millions of these munitions still dotting their landscapes,

    if we could agree to ban these pernicious weapons.  

    .

    1. that the US is the #1 proliferator of WMD. The fact that we won’t sign anything that would stop the spread of weapons isn’t surprising.

      Peace sells, but who’s buying?

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