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April 13, 2016 11:35 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • 38 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“The American people abhor a vacuum.”

–Theodore Roosevelt

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38 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

      1. Only those who majored in Republican math cling to this model.  Even if this industry could remain viable (meaning: showered with billions in subsidies), they'd be imposing up to half-a-trillion dollars in direct and indirect health costs upon society annually.  All while pounding their chests (while wearing their suit jack adorned with an American flag pin) and proclaiming the greatness of 'American energy'.

        Fossil fuels are the Garden-of-Eden apple of our day.  Just because it's 'there' doesn't mean we should use it.  The baby Jesus hid it deep in the terra firma for a reason.  

      2. Warren Buffet's MidAmerican Energy just announced its proposal to invest $3.6 billion in Iowa to install 2 GW of wind power throughout the state. That means by 2020 all of their customers will be using electricity that is 85% powered by wind. This comes one day after Peabody declares bankruptcy (one of 50 coal industry bankruptcies since 2012). 

        Out with the old, in with the new. 

        1. That coal thing is all Obama's fault. I'm sure I can find a site somewhere that will tell us it's just as dangerous to use up the wind as it is to use up the sun. Won't somebody think of the plants? And the children?

          1. US town rejects solar panels amid fears they 'suck energy from the sun', cause cancer – and will harm house prices

            Then this Einstein jumps in, invoking God then claiming wind is a finite resource.  

            "Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up?

            ~Congressman Joe Barton, R-Texas

             

            1. A. If it could happen, and did, tragic, not ironic.

              2. Ironic would be Barton avoiding air travel because heavier than air flight is not possible,  but then getting crushed in a midair collision.

    1. I'm an advocate for safety nets; what I abhor is the cognitive dissonance regarding the "I earn mine, let's take yours away, loser" mindset of my fellow Dumphuckistanians.  While my now-Senator spent an inordinate amount of time (60+ last count) as my Congressman attempting to repeal Obamacare (modeled exactly like the federal crop insurance program) and attempting to gut the SNAP program in its entirety from our current farm bill (even though the benefits of the program benefit both the disadvantaged and the farmers who produce food) – our fellow agriculturalist enjoyed the largess of significant federal transfers.  

      Now, a world-wide collapse in commodity prices is pushing farm subsides to levels not seen since 2006. 

      Farmers will be receiving their largest checks in a decade. 

      I think we can be assured there will be no cries from the hinterlands that we should end this program.  I would enjoy the opportunity to hand-pick a couple of my SD-1 producers who receive rather large checks to submit themselves to a pee test. Just for fun. 

      1. I have students researching farming and ranching as a career who are shocked to hear that some of the larger farmers may be receiving subsidy checks. They've been hearing for so long that welfare is what city folks get that they are amazed that 31% of farmers get $3 million subsidy payments in Morgan County.

        69% of farmers and ranchers don't get payments, and they swear that their folks don't.

        I'm not about to argue with them about how their families are making it, but I am trying to understand the big picture.

        1. A lot of the old subsidies were chucked in favor of heavily subsidized crop insurance, mj. But if michael says direct payments are coming back, trust him.  A few times Congress has tried to "get the government out of farming" but whenever the free market actually does function and prices fall, the Farm Bureau is the first to bellow that taxpayer largesse is necessary to save their "way of life."

          1. While the way of life of urban workers who no longer have high paying union manufacturing jobs is expendable, just free market tough luck. It would be wrong to offer workers in the fields left to them a living minimum wage. You might have to pay an extra quarter for that Big Mac. Of course a whole bunch of people raised to $15 would still find those burgers more affordable on their much higher incomes so, as in the glory days of well paying middle class union jobs, the whole economy would be more prosperous because the real job creators are masses of people with disposable income.

            I guess it's because working the land is a more romantic notion. Never mind they're not really working it as models of ruggedly independent self sufficiency but as beneficiaries of subsidies from their fellow Americans. It's the nostalgia, flag waving and patriotic country songs that count. 

        2. It's easy to keep drilling down MamaJ and find out exactly who is getting how much in Morgan County. That feature also makes it convenient to find out just how much our elected officials receive…you know, the ones that are advocating pee tests for everyone else.

          I'll say it again – I'm not against safety nets.  We have a cheap food policy hijacked from the days when our federal policy was more focused on the economic well-being of the bottom 90% – farmers play the hand that's dealt them.  But like our energy policy that makes Moddy's form of energy look 'cheap' – this subsidy system is upside down and arguably no longer serves the interest of the many (unless you think cheap Twinkies are the solution to hunger). 

          1. I did drill down more – thanks for the tip – and yup – the kid who swore that his/her family got no subsidies- I won't put any details here, but that is not factual.

    1. It was a big story when it was developing. You know how the media is. Always looking for the next shiny object. This one is too been there done that for them. Just another hypocritical family values rightie turns out to be suppressed hideous creep story, a dime a dozen.

      1. *beep* This comment editor is currently out of order. Put Bernie higher than Clinton (national polls confirms) on the Big Line. Then the comment editor will return *beep*

         

        (oh hell,its back on!)

  1. Only in a warped-private-prison-universe would a drop in prison population be a bad thing. I'm sympathetic to the dilemma of Kit Carson County: absent the wind farm (thanks to the state mandate), the prison is their largest taxpayer providing a lot of jobs. It begs the question: why is a this region, rich in soil and adequate amounts of water, wind and solar found itself begging for state dollars to keep a prison open? Particularly when the sell-out to CCA under Owens promised us this (once again, we're tortured by Republican math

    When Colorado contracted with its first private prison in 1993, companies told lawmakers they were a zero-risk investment and that the state would pay only for the beds it needed, she said.

    If the private prison company doesn't get the money, argued Sen. Irene Aguilar, D-Denver, it's not the Democrats' fault if the facility closes — it's the Republican leaders who refuse to consider a bill to  reclassify the hospital provider fee, which would open more room for spending in the budget.

    "I don't want us to lose jobs in Burlington," she said. "We have other money available, but the only reason we don't have it available is because they signed a pledge to the Koch brothers."

      1. We might start with the Homegrown Hatriots

        Poison Tea

        Charles and David Koch—who, if their individual fortunes were combined in one place, would quite possibly represent the wealthiest person on earth—have almost certainly spent or raised more than a billion dollars to successfully bend one of the two national parties in America to their will. The long rise of the Tea Party movement was orchestrated, well funded, and deliberate. Its aim was to break Washington. And it has nearly succeeded, as America saw in the debt-ceiling debacle of 2011, prompted by the Republican Party’s demand that the president negotiate over deficit reduction in exchange for an increase in the maximum amount of money the US Treasury is allowed to borrow. There are no mistakes or accidents in the Tea Party movement. Its leadership has made certain of that.

         

         

    1. This cannot possibly make a difference.  Polls have been telling us for quite some time that most people believe HRC lies and is not trustworthy.   I doubt more than a few percentage of her supporters support her because of that.

      actual, public confirmation is not going to change anything.  

      1. What James Dodd fails to mention is what the political reporter talks about:  "context." Sanders could be considered as a "reliable supporter of the NRA" due to his voting record on guns.

        What's missing in the world of the Bernistas is exactly how will a Sanders Administration pay for all the "free stuff." Multiple economists have already revealed how Bernie comes up trillions of dollars short; maybe a modern day version of "voodoo economics?" 

        1. Bernies' rating with the NRA is a D- . I am pretty sure their "reliable supporters" usually get better grades.

          And…don't you think the "free stuff" meme is getting a little thin? Have you been to his website, or are you just repeating well worn insinuations?

          1. Even if the NRA doesn't like him it's true that he has consistently voted against gun control measures that most Dems support including simple background checks. Heck, Rs hate Obama and Obamacare even though it came straight out of rightie think tanks. 

            No doubt  Bernie's votes reflect the fact that he has always had to get himself elected and reelected in Vermont, a very pro- gun state, and he is a politician, not a pure as the driven snow higher being of some kind.

            I respect Bernie and his supporters but believing in any politicians selfless altruism will always lead to disappointment. Decide which pol you prefer but never forget they're all pols and that our system is actually dependent on compromising, deal making  politicians, not purists who dig in their heels and refuse to get anything done that would require compromising their ideological purity.

            The main thing is figuring out how to get all the big corporate money out of politics so the compromises are based on their various constituents' interests, not solely on the interests of the top .01%. I'll grant you Bernie's anti-gun control stances are based on representing his constituents, not on being beholden to the NRA. It’s also true that it takes a lot less money to get elected in a little state like Vermont so he hasn’t needed to be as dependent on big money as others in high population states.

  2. Because no criticism of Bernie Sanders of any kind is permitted on this site. CHB. This site is wholly  devoted to proving that Hillary Clinton is a liar, a whore of big pharma and a tool of Satan.   Because that's how we build party unity.  

     

     

     

     

    1. VG:  I've been to the Bern's web site, in answer to Duke's question. I've also read in-depth analyses of Sanders' economic plans coming from former Obama administration economists, as well as other economists. The basic problem is that the math just doesn't add up. Sanders tries to focus on minor stuff, like Clinton's royalties from speaking engagements, to distract attention away from his own economic shortcomings.

      Once again, for those who have yet to check into reality, since it’s all about the electoral college:  Sanders/2016 = McGovern/1972.

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