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November 13, 2008 04:38 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • 60 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“Whatever has overstepped its due bounds is always in a state of instability.”

–Seneca

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60 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

    1. I’m sorry, but while Central America and the islands may be on the North American plate, they are geographically distinct (and taught as such) in schools throughout the country.

      The NAFTA factoid is worse than the countries question.

          1. Question for the Governor:

            If two trains are leaving Denver at 7:45 A.M. headed north, one going 45 MPH and one going 55 MPH, with a 20 knot tailwind coming in at a vector of 45 degrees, what time will it be when the trains cross paths with another train headed south at 45 MPH that leaves Billings, MT at 8:00 A.M.?

        1. Matt Lauer, Larry King…who’s next on the Palin tour, hmmm? So much for just wanting to get back to her life in Wasilla and making a point of telling the press she wouldn’t be responding to questions.

          In Palin speak, I guess not responding to any more questions=giving interviews to every single media outlet that still finds you remotely interesting.

          Poor woman. She’s a media whore. She just can’t stand not being the center of attention.

        2. why is LB worried so about everyone writing about Palin? Next you’ll be telling us about your insomnia caused by your worry that President Obama will take Barbara Bush’s picture off the dollar bill when he takes office.

        3. She was almost the Vice President of the United States. Thats pretty scary.

          She still has followers and she still gaffes it up.

          She’s implying that she would run for senate if God wills a special election.  

  1.    Two Teddys lead off the news today.

      In Alaska, convicted GOP felon Ted Stevens is now narrowly trailing in his bid for re-election.  

      This is important because if Teddy loses, then “Caribou Barbie” doesn’t get to run in the special election which will have to take place after Uncle Ted resigns or is expelled from the Senate.

      The other Teddy is the Rev. Ted Haggard, a man who went from having Pres. Bush’s ear to having Mike Jones’ p—-.  Teddy, taking a day off from selling life insurance, gave a guest sermon at some Evangelical church in Illinois last week, in which he discussed, in eliptical terms, the immoral conduct which led to his fall from grace in Colorado Springs.

      Not to be forgotten, former U.S. Rep Mark Foley (R-Pervert-FL) was in the news yesterday asking for forgiveness for the House page scandal.

      Will these guys never go away?

    1. I’m surprised that the lead was cut that much by the absentee ballots. I thought it was a faint hope. Glad to be wrong on this and Musgrave.

      From a strategic point of view I would rather have Franken in Minnesota though. I think he could hold the seat much easier.

    1. It’s proof how many stupid people there are, and they all voted for McCain.

      Where, oh where, is gun ownership on the Democratic/Obama platform?  Can you even see it?

      Stupid is as stupid does.  

    2. The NRA scares the hell out of folks about Obama which drives not just their own fundraising but gun sales for their gun manufacturer buddies and the stores that sell them.

      1. I was visiting my mother in Fair Oaks, VA this past week and passed by their posh office building a few times.

        We want to support your right to bear arms, but we also want to make money off of the fear that they will be banned.  Oh, just a little ironic.

    3. …but there it is:

      “The one thing that I like about the new NRA is that their agenda is no longer about having a gun and hunting, but rather the basic fundamental right of defense. It is about defense from the government in the from of tyranny.”

      As someone who got to experience the Balkan Wars from far too close a view, I can debunk this Gundamentalist talking point that Gun Ownership will somehow deter an organized military/militia from invading your home and shipping you off to a prison camp.

      Bosnia/Croatia was awash in Military Automatic weapons, and yet the Serbian Tiger Brigade was free to massacre the Muslim population at will. Why? Because an organized military unit will always stomp on a bunch of folks with guns.

      I know first example that rolls out is the Warsaw ghetto, but lots of history gets streamlined to parse it down to “they held off a German Army with one gun!”

      My counterpoint is the Japanese Internment of WWII – Japanese citizens had the same access to firearms as the rest of the US, and in fact they owned significant amounts of firearms, but it did not stop the US Army from rounding them up and shipping them to the crappiest parts of the US.

      Stick to the Constitution – it’s your right, but stop adding these delusional “Red Dawn” talking points.

      1. I agree with one caveat…

        A Katrina-like loss of authority where roving gangs of armed assholes want something my family has.

        In that case hopefully being trained and armed would help me be able to keep my family and home safe.

        1. Responsible gun ownership for the purpose of protecting one’s home and property is a fundamental right.

          It’s not like the Katrine-esque scenario is highly likely here, but you never know… I think it’s important to have the option available.

          1. That’s why I’ve installed a minigun turret on top of my suburban compound in case roving gangs of angry Phish fans come calling.

            Hmmm.  Phish…

            Maybe I should put it on a mobile platform…

            1. You couldn’t get a grenade launcher?

              Anyway, all you have to do to combat the Phish fan gangs is put a bar of soap near your property–they’ll never go near it.   🙂

      2. Not having anything to fall back on except logic, that’s what I’ve always maintained.  A Gundamentalist – good one! – can have all the firepower possible, but the military has a zillion times as much.  I’ll bet a lot of those guys play Red Dawn every week…..

        I wish we had fewer guns.  But just as I want the First Amendment to be honored and obeyed, I just hafta give, especially after the recent Supreme Court action, it’s recognition, too.

        1. is that it’s a constitutional right, but it also has to have a training/education component directly related to the firepower possessed.

          Based on webposts alone, I’d trust LB with automatic weapons. And I’m ok with the Average Joe owning a pistol, as long as he got some instruction from a competent source on properly securing it, and a lecture on his rights and responsibilities under Colorado Law.

          As people get into owning more guns, I think their level of instruction on them increases as well, since they need to “feed and care” for them. Sometimes that goes the wrong way, but overall most folks who own 1-2 firearms know how to handle them, and “probably” know that they should secure them.

          That’s probably more than most folks do with their soupcoolers and the 1st amendment….

            1. All weapons should be sold with trigger locks. And anything in storage for a long period of time should be at least trigger locked.

              The vast majority of weapons in criminal’s hands are the ones stolen from homes. I know the NRA likes to spread this myth about underground arms bazaars that crooks buy their gats from, but it’s NEVER been proven.

              But the weapon you keep in your bedroom for self-defense? It needs some sort of security. I’m a fan of the storage box with the pressure-sensitive combo locks, or something similar you can undo in the dark.

              I have a niece that is generally a good kid, but at times she decides to do her own thing and explore our house. If I have my revolver in a mattress holster, loaded and ready to go, she might have a video game moment and decide to check it out, regardless of what she’s been told.

              I know the debate – that you need access to your weapon quickly in order to defend yourself. But part of that is the threat assessment you do when you decide to pull a gun and use it.  Even going thru the Make My Dad page on some NRA propaganda, I defy you to find someone who needed that extra 2-3 seconds in a home intrusion to plug someone.

              If anything, a lock (or safe) adds that few seconds of thought that might prevent someone from putting rounds out that didn’t need to do it.

              I wish that Colorado law stated that if you secure your firearms with approved locks, and someone somehow got your weapons out and used them, then you should be immune from prosecution and civil lawsuits. Also, it should show that if you took those 2-3sec to unlock your weapon, that was the proof you took the proper steps to review the situation and felt it necessary to use deadly force.

              Wanna go bust caps somewhere?

              1. But I draw the line at mandated trigger locks.

                If you don’t have enough sense to lock up your guns, your family might have bigger problems than an accidental shooting.

              2. We always talk about guns in the bedroom defending against a night time intruder.

                Does anyone have stats on how often this happens, intruders scared away or shot, and let’s not forget, shooting of innocents?

                Just to put things in perspective.  I believe in statistical probability and experience.  That’s why I’ve never bought a lottery ticket. I’d rather spend the money on a can of beer. That’s a sure bet.  

                1. A couple jump out.  Check out this handout from Johns Hopkins, http://www.jhsph.edu/gunpolicy

                  More to the point:

                  A 1998 study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill someone known to the owner than to kill in self-defense.

                  The Center to Prevent Handgun Violence reports that a gun is used for protection in fewer than two percent of home invasion crimes when someone is at home.

                  FBI statistics from 1996 recorded only 176 justifiable handgun homicides (i.e., committed in self-defense or by police) compared with a total of 9,390 handgun murders in the United States.

                  http://www.womensagenda.org/Is

                  Tough issue.  Guns scare the hell out me, but not even I would not work to completely outlaw.

  2. A crash course in why it happened, how it’s strangling the nation’s finances and how it might work itself out.

    By Fred W. Frailey, Editor, Kiplinger’s Personal Finance

    http://www.kiplinger.com/featu

    OK, I’m “lucky” enough to be married to an economist, so, I’ve been getting the daily briefing on the miserable state of the economy. And I’ve been “lucky” that my wife has explained these problems in her thorough and complete fashion.

    However, for those of you without problems falling asleep, this article that appears in Kiplinger’s Personal Finance this month appears to be the best  summation of the problem without getting into the serious details.

    Enjoy.

  3. Thankfully the president elect can walk on water and turn that same water into wine.  He’ll need a few miracles to avoid 10% unemployment by next summer . . .

    1. .

      The Department of Labor has several different metrics on Unemployment.

      Apologies for citing Wikipedia, but I couldn’t find a neat explanation all in one place at the website of the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U

      jump down to “6.2 United States Bureau of Labor Statistics”

      By some measures, we blew past 10% some time ago.  That would be some miracle, undoing what’s already done.  

      I first learned the lies in unemployment reporting when I ETS’d out of the Army.  

      Since I had the choice of reenlisting, I wasn’t really unemployed.  True, I had no job and no income, but that was my choice. It didn’t matter that I was out of work and looking for work.  

      So, unemployment stats are manipulated for political calculation.  

      I predicted during my recent campaign that total unemployment, similar to the BLS metric U6, will hit 25% by a year from now.  

      If making a prediction today, I’d bump that up a little.

      Things are much worse than George Bush is letting on.

      3 months ago he was denying we were in a recession.  Guess what ?   If you could factor out of GDP the paper earnings that have nothing to do with worker productivity, we’re already in a depression.  

      But President Alfred E. Newman will not be hurting, so how bad could it really be ?

      .

      1. We’ve discussed some of this here before.  Whole books have been written about the smoke and mirrors reporting of our government.  All presidents culpable since FDR. All.  

  4. Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin are in a dead heat in the runoff for the Georgia seat.

    Anything can happen in a recount.  Franken may pull it out in Minnesota.

    Begich is now ahead of Stevens in Alaska.  Please tell me why there will be no new Alaska votes counted until at least Friday?  

    1. But in GA it’s going to be tough to recreate the African-American turnout from last week.  That might be enough for Chambliss.

      And Alaska is pretty ridiculous.  Maybe they have Moose counting the votes.  🙂

  5. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2210

    First, we need to regulate all pools of capital that rely on leverage. The crisis has demonstrated the devastating impact that unregulated entities can have. Transparency requirements must be the price of admission to global markets. Different financial services may have different regulatory requirements, but we need to bring them all under a regulatory umbrella.

    Second, capital and liquidity buffers need to be large enough to handle big shocks. Moreover, regulators must restrain overall use of leverage. Some have criticised high Canadian capital requirements for banks as being too conservative. But the strong balance sheets of Canada’s banks through this period speak for themselves.

    Third, it is not enough for regulation to look at individual institutions. It needs to look at the system as a whole. Risks that may appear sensible in isolation can be unsustainable from a systemic perspective. This systemic vantage point must be used to mitigate any tendency to underestimate risk when times are good. This requires co-ordination across the government, central bank and regulatory agencies.

    Fourth, we need to make market infrastructure more transparent and resilient. Non-transparent over-the-counter trades and naked short-selling reduced the stability of the system.

    1. .

      I saw him with Jim Lehrer on the News Hour tonight.  

      Every time Jim asked him about the lack of progress on the Bailout oops, TARP,

      Hank practically called him a liar.  

      “I never promised things would get better, only that they wouldn’t get as worse as they would have without the $700 billion giveaway to the guys at my country club.”

      I see why Bush likes him.

      .

      1. He’s smart, but I didn’t know if I could trust him.

        He is using the bailout fund in the same exact way the japaneese did it in the 90’s. It took ten years for the Japaneese banks to work through the asset bubble.

        Paulson is a big problem.

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