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November 05, 2008 09:44 PM UTC

So, the Evil GOP Was Going to Steal It, Eh?

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  • by: Precinct854

( – promoted by Colorado Pols)

Being that today is the fifth day of November in the two thousand and eighth day of the common era it is the day after elections in America and I would now like to direct your attention to an article by Greg Palast and widely circulated after it got into the Rolling Stone on October 17th 2008 entitled It’s Already Stolen.  

In case it gets taken down from where I linked to here is a bit from the heart of the ‘expose’:

Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge – ten times the average state’s rate of removal.

While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

As the results show Barack Obama winning Colorado’s nine electoral votes by about 52.5% to 45.9% (at this time) I’m pretty confident that the prediction of a stolen election was dead wrong.  For one thing for it to have been right there would need to be more than 335,000 people who could not vote yesterday or during the long early voting period.  That would give Obama another 14% margin.  You really think there are that many Democrats in Colorado who didn’t get to vote and they’re not all blogging about it and calling their paper?  Bull.  To put it bluntly.  Secondly the results were only 1% lower than the final Pollster result of a 7.6% spread.  That’s well inside the margin of error.  Heck, the actual final pollster composite was 51.9% for Obama rather than the 52.5% he got, obviously a few of the undecideds broke for him.

I’m going after this one article in particular, but I’m just using it as an example of the sort of fear mongering that was going on before the election.  I think today the liberals who promulgated this fear mongering should hang their heads in shame at least here in Colorado.  We’ll see about the rest of the country, but I expect that despite the deplorable shenanigans that could make a difference in tight races we had an okay election on the whole.  My message is that this election has not been rigged or stolen by anyone on the national level and people who say otherwise do a disservice to our democracy.

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27 thoughts on “So, the Evil GOP Was Going to Steal It, Eh?

    1. By what definition was Coffman’s behavior “ethical” this year? He did his level best to disenfranchise thousands of voters and was only  stopped because of litigation.  

      1. Money talks and the inundation of political ads from Barack and other candidates proved it!  Not a color, sex or religion thing, just getting people to vote and naturally even if people don’t understand the issues (most don’t) they want change when things go bad. Voter turnout was highest since1960, but they won’t be there next round because Joe six-pack is mainly concerned with what affects him. Tues eve I met a 39 yr-old man who said he voted for the 1st time and further stated, “Now with all three, the House, Senate and Congress being Democratic we can get something done!”. Regardless, the President doesn’t control global economies, nor does he make US laws, so let’s hope Senate and Congress get off their buns and pass some legislation and budgets to get the economy moving… otherwise we’ll see the current recession turn in to a depression. With financial backing like Warren Buffet, how can you lose? Neither McSlain or Osama have the experience to run a large company much less the complexities of the USA. Too bad we didn’t have someone ‘like a Buffet or Lee Iacocca” with vast global financial markets and strong managerial skills and experience run for Pres.

  1. I got so tired of their handwringing and assuming the worst at every turn. You couldn’t turn your head and cough out “I like Obama’s chances this year!” without hearing lamentations about how Colorado was going to be worse than Florida 2000. Jeez. Last night was a perfect example of how, in the end, they had nuthin’. Imagine that – even a state with a GOP SoS can still run a decent and credible election!

    That’s not say that the GOP never engages in questionable tactics. All I’m saying is that if you keep reflexively crying ‘Wolf!’ every single election, unfortunately you’re not going to be taken seriously the one time serious election shenanigans do become important. Type I errors and all that.

      1. It’s not fear mongering.  It was a reminder to be vigilant.  Who is to say that hyper-vigilance isn’t what kept this election reasonably honest? And we shouldn’t stop being hyper-vigilant because when we do we’ll get screwed again.

        Of course there were still dirty trick attempts like telling people the election day had been changed, that students voting where they attended school could no longer be claimed as dependents by there parents in home states, that people with outstanding traffic violations would be arrested at the polls, etc.  These “tricks” ought to be  considered treason and punished accordingly.

        In general, we should thank those who kept us on our toes this time around, though claiming  “It’s already stolen” was the kind of hyperbole Palast sometimes indulges in.

      2. Even so, why keep bleating about how ‘The Election Is Already Stolen!!!1!’ when there’s no clear evidence for it? That’s what I’m going on about.

        By all means, be vigilant. But enough with the exaggerations.

    1. And they stole Florida. Then we did cry wolf in 2004 and they stole Ohio and New Mexico anyway. The only way to approach the problem was to publicize it so well in advance, and flood the system with so many watchers, that the GOP was stuck with no shadowy corners to hide in.

      The precinct I worked had 13 provisional ballots out of 235, divided 50:50 between people who somehow screwed up their mail ballots, and people who moved. There was one deaf voter and one really drunk guy.

      One of the reasons I’m so cheerful today is that the system worked. I don’t feel like we held some kind of shameful excuse for a  banana republic election yesterday.

      We won’t be fooled again.

       

  2. Yes you had some people out on the edges crying it would be stolen. Mostly you had people who looked at what occured previously and fought all similiar actions this year – and because of that we had a fair vote.

    But keep in mind that it did require those legal battles to have that fair vote.

    1. Mostly you had people who looked at what occurred previously and fought all similar actions this year – and because of that we had a fair vote.

      But keep in mind that it did require those legal battles to have that fair vote.

      This is exactly right.  

    1. that asnd the fact that the ds finally came up with a candidate worth voting for, so they didn’t have to manufacture conspiracy theories to explain why voters rejected their $400 haircuts sitting on top of two-bit minds. (Kerry, anyone…?)

      1. just as everyone now knows the level of state sponsored voter suppression in Ohio in 2004 under a Republican SOS was off the charts.

        Of course it was weak candidates and poorly run campaigns that allowed those elections to be close enough to be so easily derailed.  Obama’s great campaign and decisive win was the real key here. It would have been next door to impossible to cheat him out of enough of the states he won.  

        Funny how Bush claimed mandate in 2004 with a two point win and the rightie pundits are already crying “no mandate!” for Obama’s far more decisive electoral AND popular win.

        1. You’re seriously going to have to stop being such a victim now.

          I don’t know if you’ve seen the news lately, but you are now the bully.

          BTW, where are we all meeting for a drink now that this is over?

          1. Remember all the meltdowns over nasty obstructionist Tom Daschle, or John Boehner’s crying, or Tom Delay’s oppression by evil Democrat laws?

            I’m trying to decide whether a set of brass knuckles or a handkerchief is the better strategy for us.  

          2. I nominate the Wynkoop for those of us in the Denco area. I’ll buy you the first two beers for voting for Obama, but I want one from you for voting for whats’his-name (the poor ‘pub who ran against DeGette). Okay, I’m kidding about that…

            I’ll see if I can stick my wife with the kids get away for the evening. 😉

          3. And I do blame lousy Dem campaigns and strategy in 2000 and 2004 for allowing the elections to be close enough for stealing. But the fact remains, while  it may be stupid for me to leave my key in an unlocked car, if someone steals it they’re still a thief.  

      1. A Dem had lost.  I stand by my statement.

        Also, the only documented poll intimidation I saw from Tuesday was the armed thug dressed as a Black Panther in Philly.

  3. There were problems: were they malice or incompetance?  Who knows, but a good voter protection program can help in both situations.

    In 2000, some of us still believed that the GOP believed in the same country of laws that the rest of us believe in.

    To quote that eminent scholar George W. Bush “Fool me once shame on me, Won’t get fooled again.”

  4. but, it is very hard to get away with more.

    A good get out the vote machine can increase turnout by 3-4%.  Measures that discourage voting have a similar impact.

    The advent of early and mail-in voting has also reduced the need to make lots of hard calls in a short chaotic period of time.

    A good measure of how much mischief has gone on will come when we learn how many provisional ballots were cast, and how many inactive voters actually voted.

    Realistically, the order of magnitude for problems in this election in Colorado is somewhere in the low thousands to low tens of thousands of votes, with voter registration mischief playing the largest part.  This is something on the order of 1% of the vote, and of course, those denied a chance to vote, while predominantly Democrats and then unaffiliated voters, are not monolithic, and are the same people who often tend to undervote or making ballot completion mistakes.

    In most races, 1% is too small to matter.  But, there are a few races every year where the outcome is very close, and in those races it does matter.  Fortunately, this year, those very close races don’t impact who holds political power in the state.

    1. You can only cheat so much. But historically, that is not true.

      Technology has made a difference from the days of little communication when disabling or intimidating the few witnesses made the cheating valid.

    2. Realistically, the order of magnitude for problems in this election in Colorado is somewhere in the low thousands to low tens of thousands of votes, with voter registration mischief playing the largest part.  

      Am I misreading you, or is it your claim that voter registration problems resulted in thousands of problem votes in Colorado? If so, that is contrary to the best research on voter fraud (from such sources as the Brennan Center), which shows that the casting and counting of an ineligible vote is extremely rare.

      Certainly, every year there are problems with voter registrations, which the good people at the county clerks’ offices sort out so that ineligible votes are not cast. But problem votes is different from problem registrations. Can you clarify your meaning, or provide your evidence?

  5. Money talks and the inundation of political ads from Barack and other candidates proved it!  Not a color, sex or religion thing, just getting people to vote and naturally even if people don’t understand the issues (most don’t) they want change when things go bad. Voter turnout was highest since1960, but they won’t be there next round because Joe six-pack is mainly concerned with what affects him. Tues eve I met a 39 yr-old man who said he voted for the 1st time and further stated, “Now with all three, the House, Senate and Congress being Democratic we can get something done!”. Regardless, our President doesn’t control global economies, nor does he make US laws, so let’s hope Senate and Congress get off their buns and pass some legislation and budgets to get the economy moving… otherwise we’ll see the current recession turn in to a depression. With Obama having financial backing like Warren Buffet, how can you lose? Neither McSlain or Osama have the experience to run a large company much less the complexities of the USA. Too bad we didn’t have someone ‘like a Buffet or Lee Iacocca” with vast global financial markets and strong managerial skills elected.

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