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October 24, 2008 12:47 AM UTC

What's the Vice Presidency good for, anyway?

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  • by: GeoGreg

( – promoted by Haners)

(Note: Originally a post in the open thread, turned into a diary per the suggestion of Haners.)

In 1974, Arthur Schlesinger wrote a very interesting article for The Atlantic on the role of the Vice President in American government:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc…

Interestingly, it seems like nobody has ever known precisely what branch of government the VP belongs to or what the role of the office should be.  

According to Schlesinger, the only reason the office of the Vice Presidency was created was so that the Electoral College electors could vote for two candidates for President, a system abolished by the 12th Amendment.  To quote the article:

Samuel White, a senator from Delaware, summed up with admirable prescience the consequences of the Twelfth Amendment: “Character, talents; virtue, and merits will not be sought after in the candidate. The question will not be asked, is he Capable? Is he honest? But can he by his name, by his connections, by his wealth, by his local situation, by his influence, or his intrigues, best promote the election of a President?” Roger Griswold of Connecticut said that the vice presidency would thereafter be “useless, worse than useless.” A number of political leaders, Republicans and Federalists-John Randolph of Roanoke, former Speaker of the House, now Senator; Jonathan Dayton; Mathew Griswold; Samuel W. Dana-drew the logical conclusion. The vice presidency was an organic part of a particular mode of election, and that mode of election had now been constitutionally abolished; therefore let us abolish the vice presidency too. Unfortunately for the republic this effort failed.

I recommend reading the article… very enlightening to me about the history of this weird “appendage” of an office.  Do we need a Vice President?  Or could we set up a succession system that does away with this make-work office?

What should we do with the Vice Presidency?

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8 thoughts on “What’s the Vice Presidency good for, anyway?

  1. At least there’s an illusion of the people voting for him/her. It also keeps the succession in the White House, because after VP it goes House Speaker, Senate President Pro Tempore, and then Secretary of State.

    Congress would have to pass an act changing it to how it was between 1886 and 1947, when after the VP it went to the cabinet.

    1. As they’d have to pass an Amendment to abolish the VP, it wouldn’t be difficult to attach the “Sec.State, etc” succession stuff in there. There is no reason it would have to be done in two parts.

      Anyway, I’m certainly for getting rid of the position, it truly would make no difference aside from allowing the President’s Party to win a tie vote once every blue moon, which is problematic anyway (the majority party of the chamber should probably get the tie-breaker…the President would veto anyway if s/he doesn’t like it). Plus it would stop us from acting like VP choices matter in elections.

    1. And let’s hope we never again get a President who is as willing to listen to their VP as Bush was with Cheney.

      A good reason to have your VP from the same party, too.  You’re more likely to listen to someone if you normally get along with them and respect their opinion.  Could you imagine a Bush/Gore situation?  (Or, conversely, any Democrat with Dubya in the VP slot?  He’d be told to go stand in the corner for four years…)

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