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  2. from HuffPo

    Apparently Sarah doesn’t read “all of them” but rather “none of them.”

    At those times on the campaign trail when sometimes it’s easy to get a little bit discouraged, when, you know, when you happen to turn on the news when your campaign staffers will let you turn on the news,” she said, prompting laughter from the group. “Usually they’re like ‘Oh my gosh, don’t watch. You’re going to, you know, you’re going to get depressed.'”

  3. Robert Borosage

    What horrors do we face when we elect a Democratic president and larger Democratic majorities in Congress:

    Voters will be registered. Workers organized. Banks regulated. Health care provided for all. Government investment will drive a green revolution that generates millions of jobs. The wealthy will pay more in taxes. Guantanamo will be shut down; torture will end. Net neutrality will be mandated. Citizens may even be able to sue corporations that negligently do them harm. And that doesn’t even mention ending the war in Iraq.

    Wow, sounds like the end of times…

    1. Dear Red States…

      We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.

      In case you aren’t aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,Washington,Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially

      to the people of the new country of New California.

      To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot

      Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.

      We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

      Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

      Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at

      once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they’re apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not willing to spend our resources in Bush’s Quagmire.

      With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95 percent of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale,Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

      With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the

      tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

      We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

      Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say

      that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

      By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

      Peace out,

      Blue States

      1. This originally came out after the 2006 election when the Dems took over the Senate and House.

        (The mention of the late Ken Lay is a dead giveaway, pardon the pun.)

        Thanks for the reminder; it’s even more entertaining today than it was back then.

      2. Even if it’s been forwarded around so many times that nobody quite knows where it started.

        The problem this year is going to be that the blue states don’t really form a nice connected country. How are you going to get from Colorado to Florida without getting yourself killed going through red states? (Well, I guess that’s a problem now, but I imagine it’ll get worse.)

        I just don’t see it working. I think we’re going to need Utah and Arizona just for driving purposes. Start getting out the vote there, people!

        2. The major population center (Vancouver) is one of the most liberal, diverse places I’ve ever been too in North America.  

          Surely they’re not all Palinites.

      3. .

        come from those red states.  Generally, those who join from blue states are not so welcome back home as you seem to think.  

        And I’d have to see some data first, before I accept the assertion about “aggregate divorce rates.”  

        This is an angry screed.  I question if you are such a happy bunch of families.

        .

          1. I had a dream that the election was over last night. When I woke up and saw the date, I almost keeled over from my election ulcer.

            Seriously though, I can’t wait for 11/5.

        2. spx, I got it this morning from a Mr. Gerald P. Sawyer in WI. He’s a dear friend, who recently unveiled his most recent sculpture….a life sized bronze of The Fonz on the Milwaukee lakeside park walk. He got to meet Mr. Winkler, and Laverne and Shirley showed up for the event, too!

    2. If it would be such the utophia that you say it will be, why haven’t there been a Democrat president ALWAYS in office? And why hasn’t there ALWAYS been total Democrat majority, if not 100% Democrats, in the house and senate? Wouldn’t that be the answer to ALL of our problems? Why would we need Republicans at all if all THEY do is fuck things up?

      You know the answer. You know the Democrats are just politicians looking out for their own selfish interests. Same as the R’s.

      So give it a break. After a couple years of tax orgies, and massive additions to our already over financed solicalist programs, most all Americans will be sick and tired of the liberal “give the world away” causes and vote the bastards out once again.

      You know it and everybody here knows it.

      1. I’m more interested in undoing the very real 30 years of reagan economics that have led to this enormously real financial crises, and 8 years of very real Bush colossol mistakes.

        1. am doing far better than I ever did with a D in office, I can say you are basically right.

          I thought at the very beginning that W went to Iraq simply to finish something his dad started. I don’t think W has a clue or cares about the harm he has caused this nation and the debt he has brought us.

          But knowing that, I still have to go with Mike Rosen’s theory that party trumps person and will always vote R.

          I do not agree with the Democrat views of spreading the wealth by taking form those that work for their money and giving to the lazy.

          So I will have to stick with our party no matter who is running.

          Make sense?

          1. Sticking to your party is part of loyalty.  There is nothing wrong with that IMHO, particularly at times when they need it most. I have not always done the same with the Democratic party.

  5. The poll numbers have been consistent enough for a while that now I think it fair to say that Obama has lost about one point while McCain has gained about the same amount.  More precision than that would give an impression of more accuracy than even averaging polls can produce.

    Expect some close states to slip back as a part of this next week since the state polls seem to lag national polls. For example Missouri could go back to having a slight McCain lead rather than the current too close to call race.

    This is cause for hope among Republicans, but only if it is sustained. So don’t get your hopes up too high just yet. Conversely Democrats don’t need to panic.

    It just means more work needs to be done to answer questions raised by McCain, reiterate the positive plans, etc. Ups and downs are part of campaigning.

    Also note that just eyeballing the trendline on Pollster.com it looks like by election day they would still be a point or two apart with Obama in the lead.

  6. Colorado Women Against Palin presents

    Road to Obama/Biden Victory Rally!!

    Join Colorado men and women (and hockey moms!) in support of Obama/Biden in

    Two Rallies Against Palin Monday, October 20th!

    1. Colorado Springs-Meet at 6:30 am at The Entrance to Security Service Field 4385 Tutt Blvd Colorado Springs- Palin will be speaking at 8:00

    2. Loveland-Meet at 10:30 am at the entrance to The Budweiser Events Center 5290 Arena Circle- Palin will be speaking at 10

    Please bring clear to read signs and American flags if you have them!

    Palin supporters have been asked to wear red. Please wear white if possible! Bring your t-shirts! Please be cautious when arriving, the rallies for McCain Palin have become very nasty!

    coloradowomenagainstpalin.blogspot.com

    For more information, contact: Michelle W. 303-513-9589 or coloradowap@gmail.com

    Help us demonstrate how out of touch McCain and Palin are with our economy and American women!

    We need everyone who can make it to show their support! It’s not over yet!!

    1. .

      Somehow I don’t think a Palin promoter would add “… if you have them!”

      Was the rich humor embedded here intentional ?

      You are planning to be confrontational

      (why else go to a Palin rally ?)

      but then you blame the very folks you intend to tick off

      be cautious when arriving, the rallies for McCain Palin have become very nasty!

      for any consequences to result from your choices and your actions.

      .

      1. Jeez if those uppity negroes had tried to cross the edmund pettis bridge they wouldn’t have been beaten.

        When speach is answered by violence, the one doing violence is to blame not the one doin speach.

        If you are doing speach in a manner that violates the law, the proper response is an arrest without violence–that is why it is called passive resistence.

        1. Pretending like you’re in danger to make a point is idiotic.  

          If you’re wearing a shirt that says “Sarah Palin is a c*&t” you raise the chances of someone confronting you.  You still have the right to wear the shirt, but at some point, personal responsibility has to play into the whole scenario.

          Also, love this one…

          2. Loveland-Meet at 10:30 am at the entrance to The Budweiser Events Center 5290 Arena Circle- Palin will be speaking at 10

          How about this – maybe it will help…

          Meet on the 21st.  Palin will be speaking on the 20th!!!

      1. Palin and Congresswoman Michelle Bachman sound like the McCarthytes of old.

        What’s next, a inquiry of who does or does not wear their “made in china” american flag pin? These people are fucking crazy.  

        1. Totally unrelated to what you just said, but I was reading a Peggy Noonan column where she was talking about how crappy a candidate she is, and she said something that sounded eerily familiar.

          http://online.wsj.com/article/…

          In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It’s no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.

        2. It’s in her eyes and well as in what comes out of her mouth.  She is an embarrasement to the fine people of Minnesota.  

          Interesting that Palin has an accent similar to crazy Michelle.

        1. State workers already have the Right to Work, you just want to make it harder for the Union members to pay their association fees.

          Boy are you anti-worker.

          1. HESTERMAN and DANIELS: Many union workers back ‘right to work’

            By Jay Hesterman and Linda Daniels, Special to the Rocky

            Published October 15, 2008

            The Rocky Mountain News praised the deal under which several union-sponsored measured were pulled from the ballot (“Dodging the bullet,” Oct. 3) and so will not advocate for Amendment 47 as a result. We think that is a mistake and would like to explain why.

            Throughout this campaign season, we have heard from business leaders and organizations, large and small businesses, about why Colorado needs to pass Amendment 47. Very little attention, however, has been paid to the union workers in Colorado – those Coloradans who will be most affected.

            Both of us are union workers in Colorado, and we, along with many co-workers and union friends, support Amendment 47, Colorado’s Right to Work Amendment.

            Amendment 47 will make it illegal to force workers to pay union dues in order to keep a job. It will guarantee that we can no longer be forced to pay union dues against our will, but it does not forbid it, either. What it does is give us a choice.

            We are employed by two great companies in Colorado – Qwest and Kaiser Permanente. Together, we have about 40 years of experience at these companies. Unfortunately, however, we have collectively been paying union dues against our will – at about $50 per month, for 12 months a year, for 40 years.

            That’s about $24,000 out of our pockets, and we don’t have a choice.

            We are not anti-union. In fact, we both see great value in unions and union membership for many of our co-workers and fellow Colorado citizens. But we also feel that everybody should have a choice about whether or not they will join a union or pay dues to a union.

            Currently, we don’t have that choice.

            Amendment 47 is a pro-freedom issue, and it will give us a choice that we haven’t had for 40 years – at quite the personal economic sacrifice from both of us.

            We of course talk to our friends and co-workers. We can say with confidence that the two of us are advocating for the passage of Amendment 47 on behalf of thousands of hard-working Coloradans who are being forced to pay union dues against their will.

            We also find that unions spend a lot of our money on things that don’t promote better wages or benefits, or a better workplace. It’s no secret that unions spend a large percentage of their money on political causes its members may or may not agree with.

            When Amendment 47 passes, those who find value in union membership are still free to continue supporting their union. In fact, Amendment 47 may actually strengthen the collective voice of workers by making union leaders more accountable to their membership. But those who don’t see value will be free to hold on to their money and spend it as they see fit in their family’s own best interests.

            Every person in Colorado will agree that our economy is struggling. There are thousands of people who are finding it difficult to pay their mortgage, pay their energy bills or put food on the table.

            It’s never right to force somebody to give up part of their paycheck to a private organization against his or her will. But in these tough economic times, it’s an even greater injustice.

            As union workers, we support Amendment 47 because it will return power to the individual, and we hope you join us. It’s imperative we pass Amendment 47 in November to advance personal freedom and individual liberty for every worker in Colorado.

            Jay Hesterman has been a technician at Qwest for 28 years. Linda Daniels has been a registered dietitian for Kaiser Permanente since 1996.

            http://www.rockymountainnews.c…

              1. YES on 47 will bring equality and justice to all Coloradans.

                This just demonstrates that some union workers want choice and will vote YES on 47.

                Hopefully they’ll vote YES on 54 too – it will stop the conspiring BOSSES (political, corporate and union)

                1. All I said was that you should write a diary. It makes your copy-and-paste job visible to those who want to see it.

                  I also said you’re hopeless, which you are.

            3. Wow. Such logical consistency.

              And so they paid $12,000 over twenty years. Sounds like about one year’s difference of salary and benefits, or maybe two max.

              What assholes.  

          2. But thanks for spending so much money in The Post to flack your anti-worker crusade. Be assured all those ads are prepared and printed by union craftsmen!

            Now, go walk Jonathan’s dog!  

              1. and moonlights as a pinkerton goon.

                But he’d have to google pinkerton to even understand the insult I just gave him!

                Now, walk Jonathan’s dog, dammit!

                You’re a minion, not an intellectual.

  8. because now I don’t know what to call this:

    …a senior ACORN staffer in Cleveland, after appearing on television this week, got an email stating that she “is going to have her life ended.”

    A woman staffer in Providence, R.I., also got a threatening call from someone who said words to the effect that “we know you get off work at nine,” and then made racial epithets, he said.

        1. several people have been physically assaulted at their local Palin hate rally, and most recently Obama was hung in effigy over a McCain/Palin campaign sign.  

        2. But there was the shooting of the chair of the Arkansas Democratic party, the hostage-taking at a Hillary Clinton campaign office, and most recently the anthrax threats to Obama’s campaign offices.

          Then there’s the hanging in effigy of Obama, which has happened in Oregon and Ohio.

          Then there’s the reporter who was attacked at a McCain rally.

          But yeah, except for the killing and the racism and the threats and the random attacks and such, all the violence is clearly on the Democratic side.

          Poor you.

          2. Two mentally ill persons and and an unknown perpetrator.  No actual link to an assault on an Obama supporter by a supporter of McCain.

            The effigy matter is disgusting, but again, no physical violence is involved.  And I guess that you are admitting that the press is working for Obama if you want to represent the assault on the reporter as an attack on a supporter.

            But if you want to include attacks by those who don’t clearly support a candidate or, where no physical harm to a person occurs, by all means let’s: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot….

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26…

            http://www.koco.com/politics/1…

            http://www.heraldonline.com/10…

            http://media.www.bsudailynews….

            http://www.koco.com/politics/1…

            Sorry, but your side seems to be the ones attacking your political opponents with violence.

          3. It certainly appears that the GOP is ramping up that good old “we’re victims” meme.  Got to have an excuse when they get beat on November 4th.  

            Goes hand-in-hand with the phony cries of voter fraud via ACORN.  

        3. Here they are attacking a reporter

          I sidled up to one of the Obama supporters and asked why they were there, what they were trying to accomplish.

          As he was telling me a large, bearded man in full McCain-Palin campaign regalia got in his face to yell at him.

          “Hey, hey, ” I said. “I’m trying to interview him. Just a minute, okay? ”

          The man began to say something about how of course I was interviewing the Obama people when suddenly, from behind us, the sound of a pro-Obama rap song came blaring out of the windows of a dorm building. We all turned our heads to see Obama signs in the windows.

          This was met with curses, screams and chants of “U.S.A” by McCain-Palin folks who crowded under the windows trying to drown it out and yell at the person playing the stereo.

          It was a moment of levity in an otherwise very tense situation and so I let out a gentle chuckle and shook my head.

          “Oh, you think that ‘s funny?! ” the large bearded man said. His face was turning red. “Yeah, that ‘s real funny…” he said.

          And then he kicked the back of leg, buckling my right knee and sending me sprawling onto the ground.

          http://blog.news-record.com/st…

            1. Of course members of the press have biases.  MSNBC (not NBC) has a clear bias, as does fox.

              The real bias of the press is false balance (at the expense of objective analysis) and a horse race focus.

              But in answer to the fundamental question, These crowds see anyone who doesn’t believe what they beleive as an “enemy.”

              1. a hate-filled little spud, aren’t you?  Sorry, but I didn’t hear a single threat against anyone there, just the well edited results of “journalists” looking to find the least informed people out there and then trying to portray them as the mainstream of the Republican Party.

                You are the perfect singular example of Danny’s quote from above These crowds see anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe as an “enemy.”  If someone like you wants to think of me as your enemy, then that will make me proud.  Just as I will be proud to have intelligent conversations with those on the other side that aren’t filled with hate.

  10. The Tribune has not endorsed a Democrat for President since 1872.

    From the editorial statement of principles:

    The Chicago Tribune believes in the traditional principles of limited government; maximum individual responsibility; minimum restriction of personal liberty, opportunity and enterprise. It believes in free markets, free will and freedom of expression. These principles, while traditionally conservative, are guidelines and not reflexive dogmas.

    Obama changed their minds.

    1. He received warm praise from them for his candid interview earlier in the year when Rezko was the hot topic.

      But getting the endorsement of a conservative paper which has such a long record of endorsing Republicans is an accomplishment nonetheless.  Certainly this is one of the major endorsements this season.

        1. Here in Chicago, we have been watching

          Barack Obama and sizing him up for some time. We knew him well before he introduced himself to the nation with his electrifying speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention.

          We saw the strength of character, the steady temperament, the dazzling intellect, the good judgment, the compassion, the ability to see through others’ eyes.

          Barack Obama, we believe, will stand tall for America, first and always, but will restore our nation’s stature in the world.

    2. They’ve never endorsed a Democrat for President.

      This endorsement makes some history for the Chicago Tribune. This is the first time the newspaper has endorsed the Democratic Party’s nominee for president.

      In 1872 they endorsed Horace Greeley (of Union Colony fame) who ran as an independent, though the Democratic Party ended up endorsing him.

      This is not that shocking of an endorsement considering Obama’s hometown, but the Trib is a Republican paper is there ever was one. I hope it encourages Republicans who may have been on the fence to vote for Sen. Obama.

  11. Why is the McCain campaign talking about Ayers and Acorn?

    My theory is that McCain is being managed by the movement conservative professionals.

    His campaign is trying to set up an “aggreived” narrative for something to 1. focus the rage of the walmart republicans 2. set up a scapegoat for the loss.  The GOP has playd victim for decades.  

    With it looking like landslide across POTUS/Senate/House, the GOP needs something to hold the party together as it goes into the wilderness.  They will use Acorn as a tool to create a “the election was stolen” narrative so that they can hold the coalition together.  The GOP needs to figure out what it is about–but that works against the interests of the professional GOP operatives who need to hold the unholy coalition together.

    1. http://www.rollingstone.com/ne…

      That article by RFK Jr. almost single-handedly kept the Dems’ morale from dissolving into nothing after ’04.

      And look what happened? We got the candidate who was as far from the Democratic establishment as you could get and still be a viable candidate.

      The Democratic message was retooled, mostly thanks to Barack Obama and the voters who gave him the chance to run. Those voters were thirsty and Obama’s message was like a cool drink of water.

      That’s why he won the nomination, and it’s why he’ll win the White House.

  14. be the dumbest campaign ad of all time.  It’s from the RNC and it highlights Obama’s lack of executive experience.  Maybe I missed a meeting, but McCain doesn’t have any either.  This isn’t really new, you may remember the

    discussion     from the National Convention, or from Mittens.

  15. I’ve been to several Obama rallies –I have never seen anything like this from Obama supporters. The hatred from these McCain supporters is shocking.

    2. all of John Mccain’s neighbors (all 8 districts he has homes in) with intro from McCain: “My supporters want you to know why you should vote for me…” and then play the audio from this video.  

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