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October 12, 2008 10:21 PM UTC

Will Obama be hated more than LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush?

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  • by: Another skeptic

Talk radio/TV and the internet make it so much easier for the haters to show how they feel about politicians. We didn’t have YouTube or real blogs at the beginning of W’s first term, but they’re being used to devastating effect today.

Will Obama’s Thugocracy shut down his critics, or will he just ignore them as Bush has?

To me, the question is, given the radical socialism, Marxism and even racism that Obama represents, will he generate even more and more effective rage than W has? I remember being angry about LBJ, Nixon, Carter and Clinton. It’s like being a union member on strike who is furious with the employer. It can be all consuming!

After being enraged at Bush for so many years, I’m wondering whether the leftwing netroots here think the right wing nuts will be as vicious and crazy as the lefties have been during the last 8 years? Will the anti-abortionists come out of the woodwork once they realize where Obama is on that issue and see his Supreme Court nominees?

Will the Right attack Obama as viciously as the Left has beatup on Bush?

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24 thoughts on “Will Obama be hated more than LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush?

  1. We Republicans are already far more hateful than any group of people on the planet has ever been in history.  At least if you listen to the latest talking points from the Dems.

    1. just go to a Palin/McCain rally to see it first hand.

      And for the record, though I know facts confuse you, Clinton is still very popular and loved by many. He was only hated by the fringe tin-foil hat wingers we now see stirring up hate at their fear rallies.

            1. but only one side is stoked by its presidential ticket, in ads, in stump speeches, by organizers. And only one side voices its rage at rallies without a peep from its leaders — until Friday, when McCain’s last shred of decency reasserted itself.

              Branding Obama as someone who “pals around with terrorists” (note the plural) was the McCain campaign’s message of the week, and both McCain and Palin went ALL WEEK smiling and nodding when their crowds shouted “traitor!” “kill him!” “off with his head” and “treason” at their rallies. It wasn’t until McCain spoke directly to supporters riled up by his vicious, dangerous message, that he grasped at a responsible response.

              Where does it lead? To shit like this from the CHAIRMAN of the Virginia Republican Party, just yesterday:

              With so much at stake, and time running short, [Virginia Republican Party Chairman Jeff] Frederick did not feel he had the luxury of subtlety. He climbed atop a folding chair to give 30 campaign volunteers who were about to go canvassing door to door their talking points – for instance, the connection between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden: “Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon,” he said. “That is scary.” It is also not exactly true – though that distorted reference to Obama’s controversial association with William Ayers, a former 60s radical, was enough to get the volunteers stoked. “And he won’t salute the flag,” one woman added, repeating another myth about Obama. She was quickly topped by a man who called out, “We don’t even know where Senator Obama was really born.” Actually, we do; it’s Hawaii.

              You’re proud of this shit?

              1. Just that the shitstorm of hatred has been flying at Republicans for so long, that I don’t have a lot of sympathy just because the wind direction changed.  Whoever wins the election, he will, fairly or unfairly, be reaping what has been sown for the last 8 years.  And when he is out of office, whoever takes his place will face the same.  

                There is a phrase that has been bandied about for several years now, Cold Civil War.  There is a chasm between the left and the right in this country that is increasingly looking to become permanent.  

                I do believe that the polarization is increasingly leading many to believe that any action taken against those who are on the other side of the chasm is justified because they are in the right.  Sooner or later that will lead to widespread violence unless there is some sort of reconciliation.

          1. We’re talking about someone who tossed a Moltov cocktail which could have caught the property owners home on fire, with them in it.

            Is this what we all have to look forward to for the next four weeks? Which side’s lunatic fringe can claim the prize for doing the most damage, physically, verbally and emotionally?

            Fucking pathetic all the way around. I’m disgusted by McCain and Palin’s rhetoric, which is ramping up the loonies into an all time frenzy and I’m disgusted by the loonies on the left that engage in outright arson.

            And most of all, I’m disgusted by supporters of both candidates that can’t bring themselves to flat out denounce this shit–no excuses, just flat out denounce it–when they see it.  

              1. It doesn’t do ones own side any good to burn campaign signs.  All it does is increase the likelihood that people will start getting hurt.  I hope they catch the morons who did these acts.

            1. They were the hard extreme of this nation’s right wing, meaning that they come from the same place philosophically (if not tempermentally) as most conservatives.

              The point is, it’s idiotic to go around playing the “look who is on your side” game because there are hard extremists in both the left and right camps, the ones so sure of the moral superiority of their position, so uncompromising in their stance, that they conclude that violence is justified against those who disagree with them.

              It’s an indication of how close to the extreme someone is if they view the entire opposition as being represented by those guys. And it’s also an indication that someone is part of the discourse problem in politics today.

            2. They were the hard extreme of this nation’s right wing, meaning that they come from the same place philosophically (if not tempermentally) as most conservatives.

              The point is, it’s idiotic to go around playing the “look who is on your side” game because there are hard extremists in both the left and right camps, the ones so sure of the moral superiority of their position, so uncompromising in their stance, that they conclude that violence is justified against those who disagree with them.

              It’s an indication of how close to the extreme someone is if they view the entire opposition as being represented by those guys. And it’s also an indication that someone is part of the discourse problem in politics today.

  2. of AS’s cheezy questions, the twisted acceptance of McCain’s defeat is apparent. “On to 2012!” AS’s half-baked talking points are saying. Sad.

  3. and your memory is spotty. Bush wasn’t “hated” until his thuggish, warmongering, plutocratic policies emerged fully in 2003 and later, when the magnitude of his Administration’s incompetence became undeniable.

    Do you even remember Bush’s first nine months in office? No Child Left Behind (which had fairly widespread support until it turned out to be a dud), some grousing over Bush installing industry lobbyists at Interior (remember the arsenic standards?), and disagreement over the direction of Bush’s big tax cuts to wipe out the surplus (John McCain was one of the loudest critics), but mostly concern about shark attacks and idle speculation that history had come to an end and America would sail on, prosperous and peaceful, like the Clinton years.

    After 9/11, there was the usual disagreement that shows up in a democracy (Bill Mahr vilified for disrespecting the troops), but general support for Bush as we made the right moves on al Qaeda. It was only later, when Bush and the Republican Congress started trimming civil liberties, manufactured evidence to take the nation to a war of convenience, started shoveling money hand over fist to Bush cronies, reversed hundreds of years of American policy against torture, and then fell apart in an unmatched wave of incompetence, that hatred for Bush emerged.

    All along, the right-wing noise machine called Democrats and civil libertarians traitorous, stoked fear and ridiculed Administration critics. The heat from the right was palpable, divisive and shrill — revived after a bare lull from the endless attacks of the Clinton years.

    Turning to Obama, your “given” is ludicrous:

    given the radical socialism, Marxism and even racism that Obama represents

    You can keep repeating flat-out lies, but that doesn’t make them any more true, it just makes you sound dim.

    On a weekend when staunchly Republican officials are moving to nationalize the banking industry, you’re hurling charges of socialism at Obama? Do you have any belief that words actually have meaning? As for Marxism, you either have no understanding of what that means or you simply don’t care. The right can’t blast Obama for his widespread support from the financial industry and find traces of Marxism in his policies at the same time without your head exploding. It’s time to set aside the blinders you’ve worn the last five or six years and rejoin the reality community, AS.

    But in answer to your question, if you have anything to do with it, I’m sure you’ll keep stoking the flames of hatred and continue making shit up to justify your fears. The rest of us will be rolling up our sleeves and setting about fixing the mess your heroes have left us, despite your childish carping.  

    1. Bush was very popular at least until Iraq, which is significant considering that his election was a disputed election.  It wasn’t until he started to bulldoze opposition to the war that the first hint of discontent started to coalesce.  

      As the war turned bad and the reality of the lies we were fed became apparent, doubts started to spread beyond the anti Iraq war people.

      Still it wasn’t until Katrina that most folks washed their hands of Bush.

      To say that the Left was vilifying Bush for the last 8 years is ludicrous.  While a small group of folks never “approved of Bush” it is a much smaller number than still “approve of Bush”.

      The Left didn’t paint Bush as a villain–Bush revealed himself to be a villain.

    2. It was an amazing thing to watch. Dems were demonizing Bush until 9/11. Then they read the political tea leaves, backed off and waited for an excuse to resume the attack.

      They were back on the attack well before the 2002 election, but it didn’t go down well with voters.

      1. or do you mean the 80% of Americans who think Bush is doing a terrible job? I think you’re extremely far removed from reality and the main stream. You are the radical here.  

      2. You mean Ted Kennedy, who reached across the aisle and down the avenue to come up with a landmark school reform package?

        Of course there were policy differences, over energy, taxes, the ABM treaty, the environment. But the entire political climate was vastly different than the previous eight years, which you conveniently forget, when Gingrich and DeLay and Armey were throwing bombs at the Clintons without pause.

        You can tell yourself these strange tales, but you’re only talking to yourself. Everyone else remembers what really happened.

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