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who voted already, it just began!
..I think voting is a waste of time!
Kind of harsh at the beginning.
McCain: “I’ll bet ya you may not have even heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before this.” Once again, McCain assumes everyone else is dumber than him.
that people don’t all have nine houses without carrying mortgages on them. The vast majority of homeowners have, of course, “heard of” Fannie and Freddie.
And, the Middle Class is somewhere over what most people make in a lifetime.
How come no one gets upset with all the celebs that have over 9 houses and spend more on their skincare than we would spend on a new car? Why do people listen and follow what celebs say since they are usually just coming out of detox, rehab, or jail? I do agree that McCain was dumb for saying what he did but honestly, before I became a home-owner or even interested in buying, I hadn’t been paying attention to names like, Fannie & Freddie.
People find them entertaining, so they listen.
If McCain were on some “Maverick of Love” reality TV show trying to find a new mistress who looked exactly like his wife, I’m sure people would watch it, and how many houses he had wouldn’t matter.
But he wants to be President. He says he has some plans, but Congress won’t pass them as written. So it’s as important to know who he is as it is to know what he’ll do.
So yeah, how many houses he has matters. Don’t like it? Too bad.
n/t
is even creepier, in my opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/interac…
and
http://www.nytimes.com/interac…
I agree it IS important to know who each candidate is but honestly, as much as I think Obama has some good ideas, I am not sure who HE is… I’m not hearing or reading anything that takes it over the top for my vote. I get confused on where he stands on some issues since he changes his mind on things like drilling and makes me a little concerned over what he considers “small business”. Medium size businesses is usually 500 employees so small means 2-499 employees. Lots of small businesses make over $200,000 a year and they would not benefit from his tax plan. I can’t afford to lose my job! I get nervous… I know it doesn’t seem fair but reality sucks. If businesses don’t get tax help, they punish US workers by taking jobs overseas for cheap labor. I don’t know about the rest of you but I need my job. I don’t know what to think about his strategy on foreign affairs either… If those crazy leaders where rational, maybe it would work but how on earth will he have a logical, reasonable conversation with an insane man who was behind the killing of hundreds of US citizens that were only armed with a Starbucks coffee and a brief case? I have never heard of leaders of other countries that would like to see us dead express that they would like to first talk, then kill.
Why not take a closer look at the life and career of John McCain?
When he became the first black president of the harvard law review. He became a public figure. If you really want to know who he is read his first book, “dreams of my father”. He wrote it while in law school (and shortly afterward) long before he was thinking about politics.
He is very consistant in his positions, they “Change” when he accepts compromises from other side. Gee golly I miss politics where people were willing to listen to the otherside.
As to small business Lots of small businesses make over 200K? 1. its not about businesses, its about individual income. Less than 2% of all americans make more than 250k which is where taxes would rise, and by the way it is only a tax increase on the money above 250K so you have to significantly more than 250k before you feel any real bite.
As to you job and higher taxes. Were things really that bad in the 90’s? or how about the 80’s? Because those are the tax levels we are talking about. However you seem to confuse the issue by saying we need lower wages to keep those jobs in america: unacceptable.
As to foriegn affairs: Every president of any import has negotiated with our enemies. Talk is free: war is expensive. Even if you don’t suceed by talking, you enhance your moral authority with world opinion and it makes it easier to keep your allies and neutrals on board.
I do not know which leader you were speaking about, I will assume ahmedinajad and if so let me clarify 2 things: 1. he is not the leader of Iran–you are confused because you see their president as equivalent to our president–the president is subject to the authority of the supreme leader Khameni 2. Ahmedinajad is not necessarily crazy–his behavior is perfectly rational (though antithecal to my world view) when seen through the prism of domestic Iranian politics.
One of the biggest mistakes americans make is thinking that every action by another country has something to do with the US. Saddam wasn’t pretending to have WMDs to intimidate us, he was pretending to have them to prevent conflict with Iran and to prevent a coup. By misreading Iraqi politics through our frame we got suckered into advancing Iranian strategic interests.
Now the truth is I think you are just a concern troll, but since You are a relatively skilled one I thought I would take your “questions” at face value.
I agree! At first, I thought I heard it wrong so am glad someone brought this up… Just proves even the most seasoned professional can screw-up at a time when there is no room for error.
zzzz yawn zzzz
from a can of that stuff Bob Schaffer chugs before every debate.
Hate to stereotype, but thats how it is.
Hes taking low, lispy, breaths between words
The Great Off My Lawn Variety Hour, now on Thread 5…
I agree that he could stand to improve but that’s just his style. Obama is very exciting to listen to and I am sure would convince me that the answer to all of my problems could be resolved by taking off all my clothes and running down the street naked but think that while running naked sounds liberating and would certainly be a change, I am not sure that would be the best idea. It would only get the focus off the REAL situation and the consequences would make me suffer.
When McCain introduced his revolutionary idea about mortgages it was clear he still hadn’t read the damn plan or he would have known that was already PART OF IT. When he went to that special DC meeting he “suspended” his campaign for he would have expressed something or asked a question. Instead he repeatedly refused to say what HE thought we should do. Even the original 3 page plan was apparently beyond his level of comprehension.
I’d take rude, grumpy and arrogant if it came with brilliant and wise but in McSame’s case its just rude, grumpy, arrogant, no smarter than Bush but older and slower. And with an air head pit bull for back up.
Congratulations! Calls him “My friend” while standing right over him. “My friend, I can show you a letter I signed about Fannie Mae. Your name was not on it.” (Uh, Obama wasn’t a Senator back then.)
So now we know: every time McCain says “My friends,” he means “You assholes.”
Who has “my friend” as take a drink?
And he’s said “My friends” a lot so far, at least six times in the first 20 minutes. At the last debate he was clearly trying not to do that.
And now Tom Brokaw shuts Blabby McTalkalot up for the third time. Tom Brokaw is a trillion percent in the tank for Obama.
Sorry, I’m already sh*tfaced!
Really, McCain didn’t come anywhere near what he needed–the vaunted “knockout blow”–and the result is that we will now see, from the McPalin campaign, the most unprincipled, negative, slime-filled campaign tactics ever witnessed.
Side question: who the hell is actually undecided at this point? There cannot be more than about 2% of readers of this site who haven’t decided yet.
Ripped off from the the first site I found.
They had a little pie chart showing the makeup of undecided voters.
*The Chronically Insecure
*Attention-Seekers
*Racist Democrats
*and 45%: The stupid.
Then they went into a long discussion of who exactly “The stupid” were, breaking them down into a dozen different categories (including the voluntarily lobotomized, people who jump on frozen lakes to see how solid the ice is, and Cubs fans).
Don’t Cubs fans count as being voluntarily lobotomized?
rim shot
You are right about the over-use of the term, “My Friend” especially since he doesn’t know any of us and he may have indeed been thinking as you say, “you asshole” to Obama but honestly, I don’t think he means to imply that towards the general public anymore than Obama would…
I’d have to say they both seem a little shaky, not directly answering the questions, reaching a bit to hit their talking points. McCain seems a little more at ease.
One thing to remember, this debate is entirely aimed at the 15-20 percent of voters who haven’t firmly made up their minds, and who haven’t heard these talking points a thousand times.
You’re right that neither of them are answering the questions, and so far Obama’s not doing all that great.
McCain’s doing his “let’s tell a pork story, I know everybody cares about that. Ooh, the planetarium!”
Brokaw now shuts him up and reminds him of the time limits for the second time.
but his answers aren’t punching that well. Maybe it sounds better in the room, but it lacks focus on TV.
If McCain wins any debate, it’ll be this one.
But hopefully Obama gets better. Usually it takes the first half for the candidates to get comfortable.
Biden really started punching at about a half hour, Palin ran out of material and started winking uncontrollably.
Remember, McCain had supper five hours ago, so he might have a blood-sugar event any time now.
and so proud!
First, he wants to turn the economy into a national garage sale (viva eBay!), now he wants to hold up Pier 1 as the model for recovery.
better sell that Pier 1 stock!
the three items to prioritize? Health care, energy and entitlements … not really that obscure a list.
Also, I doubt building nuclear power plants will lead to millions of new jobs, unless the workers are wearing big orange suits after an accident.
McCain seems more rambly now, Obama more incisive.
When Brokaw asked McCain who he’d put in charge of the economy and McCain replied, “Not you, Tom!”
Dead silence in the crowd.
The senior citizen in the room here laughed. I really don’t know why.
THAT would cause DEAD silence.
McCain wants to eliminate programs that aren’t working. He knows a lot of them that aren’t working. One of them is the defense spending.
OH MY GOD McCain is going to shut down the Defense Department!
And now he’s complaining about Obama’s overhead projector. WTF? Dude needs to have a conversation with a normal person once in a while.
That’ll solve everything.
Speak for yourself old man! Some of us are proud rifle shots!
That “rifle shots” line was pretty funny, considering it was exactly the same thing Obama was saying weeks ago: a President has to be able to deal with more than one thing at a time.
And actually ANSWERING a question calling for you to PRIORITIZE obviously isn’t the same as saying “I’m not going to do a thing on items 2 and 3 until we finish item 1.”
Call it 1% of the budget or something. $18 billion sounds like a really large number, which is not the point he’s trying to make.
was Herbert Hoover.
Um, I think President Clinton raised taxes in 1993 during the recession.
was Herbert Hoover.
Um, I think President Clinton raised taxes in 1993 during the recession.
Three people here shouted that out as soon as he said that.
I believe taxes went up significantly under FDR as well, during the Great Depression.
Th-th-THAT’S not change ANYONE can believe in!
now as I was doing under Clinton. My biggest tax break under Bush has been the one you get because your business is cratering and you have less income to pay on. Our Mom and Pop made more money every year of the Clinton presidency than the year before. We’re now back to square one.
Mmmmm. Jello.
That was a flagrant appeal to the denture crowd, my friends.
on his tax plan comparison. Lot of numbers, but he’s punctuating it well. McCain gets up prematurely, furiously scribbling. Let’s see how he hits back.
Bonus to the candidate who calls the other a liar first in so many words.
Ooooh creepy old man laugh — McCain gets docked.
but Im not going to tell you how Ill fix it. But its going to be easy. Did I say im a maverick?
to end the Vietnam War. Hey, it worked then, maybe it’s worth another shot.
in the previous two debates it has tracked pretty well with the follow up polling.
Obama wants to answer the tax question. He’s just barely mentioned Social Security in passing.
McCain says, “I’ll answer the question!” McCain and Brokaw snicker, nobody else does. Reminds me of “Here I come to save the day!”
He says, “Reforming Social Security is not that hard.” Then criticizes Obama a lot. Then suggests “a commission” for Medicare. Up-or-down vote on it, so nobody can mess with it. Uh, that’s not an answer. Now he’s already moved on to taxes.
Brokaw says, “I’m gonna stick by my part of the pact and not ask a follow-up here.” Yeah, good job, I’m real proud of you.
I don’t know what that means. “Senator Obama says, ‘Nuclear energy should be safe,’ or something like that.”
I’d think most people agree with Senator Obama on that.
so that makes McCain an expert? Hell, I plugged in a toaster when Fort St. Vrain was on the Public Service grid, doesn’t mean I’m an authority on assuring the safety of waste disposal.
…with my musical taste they should make me the ambassador to Russia!
that was a good point, Obama is using numbers for this question, and making sense. McCain is saying anything, he’s got to do something different, thats for sure
Bitching about the time limits was cute the first couple times, but now I can’t imagine anyone who gives a flying fuck.
“You know who voted for it? [Points] That one. You know who voted against it? Me.” He sounds like a douche.
It’s a mark of civility and playing by the rules.
These are questions people care about, and sometimes it takes longer than one minute to discuss something like an adult. Brokaw sounds like a hall monitor power-tripping.
politely, to answer why it’s a mistake to let customers shop across state lines for health insurance coverage.
..that they agreed on, he’d be rightfully chastised for that. Better to stick with the agreements.
You might never know! That one! (pointing to Obama)
He’s really getting into creepy old man territory here.
Soon he’ll address the moderator and say “Dan — er, Peter — er, Katie — I mean, Brian — darn it! Tom!” the way my grandfather does when he’s trying to get his grandkids’ names right.
Nice he’s trying to sound friendly and chatty, but you can tell he’s pissed. Will he explode in the next half hour?
The takeaway line from the debate. Geez, what a disrespectful, disdainful way to refer to your opponent.
“THAT ONE” FOR PRESIDENT!
McCain left his decorum at home. Which of his seven homes? That I’m not sure of. But based on his performance at these debates, McCain can’t quite get the hang of comporting himself into what it looks like to be president.
This is what the founding fathers feared, democracy of the rabble, the uneducated, the easily swayed.
Even though I would be one of the unfrachised because of no property ownership, I have come to understand their perspective.
Oh Lets put health records online
It is obvious Mr. 6 pack of Krug Clos du Mesnil has no clue what he is talking about if it has anything to do with the American People.
Krug is worlds most expensive champagne.
“Should health care be treated like a commodity?”
Answer should be “Absolutely not.” Come on, this is a softball. Instead Obama goes kind of all over the place and never quite nails it.
McCain says, “let’s put medical records online.” That’ll solve everything, I’m sure.
“Don’t we go across state lines to buy other things? Of course we do!” Weird.
And mentions “gold-plated, Cadillac” health insurance policies. Are people rising up to protest health insurance that’s good now?
largely government funded to boot.
He’s never had to compete for health care on the private market, has no idea what it costs, couldn’t get it if he tried, and somehow thinks that’s the answer for the rest of us.
How much did those little trips to the Mayo Clinic for cancer treatment cost anyway? Bet it’s a helluva lot more than that 2500 individual/5000 family tax credit would buy.
he’ll fine ya!
Sure, same as if you don’t provide unemployment insurance for your employees.
Good. Lord. That hair transplant joke was a dud.
good hit on the old man voting against childrens health SCHIP.
When Obama said that health care should be a RIGHT, he started getting nearly 100 percent approval from women. The red line is just parked on the top of the graph.
that only Brokaw laughs at.
McCain: “Did he mention the size of the fine?”
What, did you fall asleep during the answer? It’s only been an hour, dude. I know it’s 10:00 eastern, but maybe you should have had a cup of coffee.
He giggles whenever McGrumpy takes a dig.
it took an entire hour before McCain said “Senator Obama was wrong about the Surge.”
It’s not that Obama was wrong, it’s that McCain was kind of right.
You eat to live. Could you have eaten differently today? Would the result have been the same? Now the big questions; could it have been cheaper? How about healthier?
Just because your way worked, kind of, doesn’t mean another way wouldn’t have worked better and faster. I’ve never heard anyone call him on it.
for dealing with all those foreign problems where there’s a humanitarian crisis but no national security interest?
Mentions Congo, Rwanda, and Somalia. Awfully African emphasis.
“That’s where the money is.”
Where are most, if not all of thes crisis?
Doh!
Even Georgia, which was the most recent crisis.
Lebanon, which everyone’s forgotten (except John McCain remembers 1983 Lebanon). Burma and China had natural disasters.
Not every problem involves black people. It was kind of bizarre, especially since he had to go back 15 years to find such examples.
Yes, there have been and will be others, but most of the ones related to extended civil unrest, refugees, and starvation are pretty consistently African.
Is that an old man reference?
Old man in slippers phrase.
I’ve never heard the phrase “cool hand at the tiller.” I was wondering if it was popular among old people or something.
But he WAS my GREAT-grandfather and died in the mid-70’s at 84.
that Obama is trying to hornswoggle the public.
For the use of Hornswoggle on this blog.
Now quit the Tom Foolery and straighten up and fly right. Son of a seahook, don’t you have any gumption ?
He’s been in combat danger all his life? Seriously?
Green behind the ears
Gotta get those sayings right
Wet behind the ears
really took control of the debate there, negotiating the follow-up, getting McCain to back him up and then taking it over from Brokaw.
Now McCain “my friends” is correcting himself defensively, insisting he’s responsible, damnit! He is! Really!
And since McCain isnt doing anything, Obama is seriously tooling McCain. McCain is failing terribly
it’s a cakewalk. McCain is tanking.
are going to be whiny, over-explained defensive restatements of his usual talking points. He hasn’t scored any major points except with the Hair Club for Men caucus.
“I might start to need a hair transplant myself soon!”
Uh, that was twenty years ago. It’s a bit late for that now.
Good thing Obama didn’t playfully twirl his hair and say, “You’re getting a little thin up there.”
– Is already in the tank for Biden
that a lot of these “answers” from both candidates are just repeating the same basic stuff that they said already in the first debate. The same people are watching this debate already watched that one, and we’d kind of like to hear something new. Or at least I would.
I get the impression more of Obama’s very concrete examples are fresh. He’s quite convincing, argues the points well, ties his examples to his broader message without stretching.
which Sen. McGrumpy is going to swing desperately at, and miss.
To RedGreen, CT, sxp, Pam, Parsing, CCLib and everyone else who live blogged the debate. I missed it, but reading your comments was the best analysis I’ve read so far tonight and everything you said was reinforced by the MSM reports.
Also you’re all hilarious. Hopefully you all drank some water before turning in tonight. 😉
Good, honest commentary with a healthy dose of humor thrown in.
Half Glass Full. Great job everybody!
oh Tom, you thwarted stand-up comic, you.
“What do you not know, and how will you learn it?”
Obama gives a great answer: “I’m sure Michelle could give you a much longer list, and usually when I need to learn something, I ask her.”
Goes into his own personal history and segues into what sounds like a closing statement.
would be a shout out to mooseburger 3rd grade elementary.
Once again, McCain thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.
At least George W. knew he was dumb.
the question was, what don’t you know and how will you learn it. McCain doesn’t have much of a chance to “learn” what the future brings, unless he’s taking crystal ball lessons.
It was fun liveblogging this with you. You had lots of good comments all the way down.
We really should get brave and have a post-election round somewhere.
Though I’m leaving for a bit right after the election. Are you going to Beer Fest?
Not really my speed anymore…
I’ll plan a meet up, and we can all go teepee Nancy’s house.
in Clearwater, Fla.? Parsing can handle that part of he meetup…
which is apparently a suburb of Los Angeles.
We did intervene in the Holocaust. It was called WWII.
If Obama doesn’t want to play into the hands of morons that tell people he’s a Muslim, etc., he should change the way he pronounces “Pakistan”.
About a draw, but Obama seemed like a whiner about not being able to maintain the agreed-upon format.
McCain had simpler, shorter answers on some important questions like Israel and Iraq.
Did anyone notice that their opinions seemed pretty similar on what to do now in Iraq?
..We most certainly did not intervene in the Holocaust. The Holocaust is not why we went to war. It most certainly was not to stop the ovens.
Yes, McCain’s answers were simpler. Also simplistic.
We didn’t go to war over the Holocaust. FDR studiously ignored the Holocaust and resisted all efforts to allow more Jewish refugees into the country. He reminded Jews lobbying for more help that this would not be popular with mainstream Americans and,after all, we were basically here on the tolerance of the American Christian public.
Our government turned away shiploads of refugees consigning them to their fate. The fact that we finally did wind up liberating concentration camps was incidental. Rescuing people from genocide did not figure into our reasons for entering WWII in the slightest so it hardly qualifies as a Holocaust intervention. Bye now. I’m off to Kol Nidre Service, begging the pardon of all I have offended here in the past year.
This is my favorite time to sin my little heart out. Might as well beg forgiveness for something big.
Last time he was very good at being the first pundit who really understands how voters will react.
The first thing he says is how bizarre it is that McCain took a shot at Brokaw out of nowhere at the Treasury Secretary question, “Not you!”
McCain plagerized Miss South Carolina in his closing debate argument?
There will be countries that we “won’t know what they are on a map”.
???WTF???”
I wasn’t watching at that moment. Anyone see?
…and they were in Brokaw’s way of the teleprompter so had to separate.
This is after Brokaw finished. McCain pats him on the back, Obama turns around to shake his hand, and then he directs Obama to shake his wife’s hand instead.
I’m not sure anyone was dis-ing anyone as opposed to just trying to shake and not wanting to have anyone appear awkward. I watched and McCain clearly was working his way over to Obama and did pat him on the back to get his attention.
I think this will be played 18 different ways when it is much ado about nothing.
If it weren’t for the pat on the back, McCain would look like a huge jerk. As it is, probably more of one of those awkward social misunderstandings.
McCain has issues, or an issue, with Obama. He managed a look or two but he can’t look at him and he certainly won’t shake his hand – not if there is any possible way out of it.
It could be racism – some mediated form of racism – or it could be something else. It would be better for the country if Johnny was a racist. My guess is that it something far more disturbing. Something much harder to overcome.
That the two of them just don’t like each other. Obama works around it better, but I think that is a good explanation.
Geeze, Insanity Hannity would eat a sh*t sandwich and swear it was key lime pie if it had an “R” on it. Robert Gibbs just force fed Hannity that sh*t sandwich and exposed him for the idiot he is. The uber-Cons are really losing it.
if I’d been in politics for as long as McCain I might be a little ticked off if some brat took away my election 😉
McCain’s gotta feel a little entitled and probably sees everything Obama does as patronizing.
Gotta wonder. Such a strange way to refer to a fellow Senator.
or McCain might have yelled, “Sit down, boy!”
apparently it’s a common rhetorical flourish for McCain — which one voted for the Bush energy plan? not this senator — that one. Works better if there are a bunch there, not so much one-on-one. (I read that on one of the debate blogs, cannot remember which, makes sense.)
It would be like calling Sarah Palin “Honey”, even though most old people call women honey, it would be seen as sexist in this context.
Terms like “That one” or “those people” in reference to minorities is usually an issue.
though I was impressed by McCain’s warmth and eye-contact at the very beginning.
I think McCain pointing at Obama and saying “That one!” will be the telling moment, setting the tone, the way McCain’s refusal to make eye contact was at the last one.
Scott Starin just put up an ad on MSNBC, trying to appeal to us Boulder Liberals.
I already voted for Polis, but much respect to him for that.
They have listened to two debates and they all keep saying that they haven’t heard specifics.
Take away their voter registrations!
That always pisses me off. People claim to want “specifics,” but are unwilling to go to the candidate’s web sites and read the specific plans.
As someone who has called undecided independent voters, I always ask them what issues they’re concerned about, and they never have the slightest idea.
And they glaze over when people start talking about issues with any degree of seriousness. Look what people thought about Al Gore, and what some think of Obama: Oh, they’re pointy-headed intellectual egghead professor types.
It’s rather frustrating.
Anyone who doesn’t know about the candidates positions by now has no reason to complain. It’s all been out there if they really cared.
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The only responsible response would be to laugh. There’s no chance of an Iranian first strike.
Why did both pander so, pretending it was a serious line of inquiry ?
Jim Leher let them run when the debate was effective. Brokow kept complainign about the time limits even though both were using that time to speak to the issues and differentiate themselves. He clearly was the worst thing about the debate.
He really seemed to think the whole debate was all about him. The other example of this was the way he was the only one who laughed at McCain’s jokes.
Cindy’s cackle a few times too.
Inside he was probably cringing.
and stay within your designated time, you whippersnappers!
the time limits were ridiculous for this debate. Lehrer actually kept them within the time limits…but he had 5 min discussion periods, not 1 min like Brokaw.
I was glad to see Brokaw try to keep them within the rules. The campaigns and the CPD negotiated rules to give the candidates time to answer the most questions. The longer they discuss one issue, the more they go into their stump speech. That was annoying.
…on the CNN groups. Obama moved up with those who didn’t like him, McCain is static.
I think this was on CBS (was switching around), but the instapoll showed McCain’s numbers moving from something like mid 20s to low-mid 30s, while Obamas went from somewhere pretty good to 80 percent.
That’s it, the election is over. McCain needed to change the direction of the contest tonight and he didn’t. It’s all done now but the counting.
First off, I think this was a good debate. Both of them did a good job talking about the issues and differentiating themselves. In 2 – 3 minutes you can’t give a 20 point plan with discussion of why each point is useful. But within the time constraints, they talked about the issues as much as could be done.
And this was about the issues we face and how each will approach it. There was not discussion about the little unimportant things that so often dominate elections. No garbage about Ayers, Keating, etc. It was on the issues. And credit is due to both candidates for that.
I also think each did a good job of trying to sell their approach and pointing out the problems in the other’s approach. They also both did a good job of trying to sell their skills and denigrate their opponents.
I do think McCain got defensive a bit more and didn’t do that as well and that hurt him a bit, but not significantly.
But here’s the thing, people are paying incredible attention to this election. They know the candidates well. They see what they get with each. And so – no one learned anything new tonight.
Those that support Obama will see him winning this. Those that support McCain will see him as the winner. And those in the middle will not see much of anything to change their mind.
The thing is, to have a chance, McCain needed a big win tonight. Not a small one on points, a big win. And so a tie is, in results, a loss for McCain.
And he doesn’t like seeing too many black people.
20% of Virginian voters are black.
better sequester her again…
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This will make the markets rally!
same link as above…
This was McCain’s last chance to cut into Obama’s burgeoning lead. A superhuman job given the economic news and Bush’s bumbling… Not only was McCain unable to beat up Obama, but Obama actually won.
Tomorrow every Black and Lationo leader will denouce McCain and will not let up until the election.
It is intersting when you are tired or drunk what comes out of your mouth. it is always the words you use around family.
McCain is in no shape to handle the pressure of the POTUS.
I don’t think it was meant as a racist comment, but rather a “make them stand out” kind of point. But standing with just the two of them, it’s not as clear or effective.
By every indicator available, McCain didn’t do what he needed to do tonight.
As an aside… Obama has, I think, impressed a lot of people during the campaign by remaining cool under pressure, looking ahead at possible scenarios (and planning for them), and just generally doing all the right things at the right times. I hope when the dust settles, McCain’s supporters can look back at the campaign, take an honest reassessment, and say “well, at least we have someone in the office who’s thorough and thoughtful.”
I don’t believe McCain is a bigot. He adopted a child of color. He’s a decent old man that has served his country. He’s trying to compete.
He’s just outclassed and clearly beaten barring a miracle.
Obama is amazing and it’s got to be hard for 2 incredibly talented politicians to see him zoom past them.
Richardson was “Judas” to Clinton because he saw how amazingly good Obama is at leading and inspiring.
We will all see this in a few more weeks when this amazing Obama ground machine delivers the vote. I predict Obama will get just a shade under 400 electoral votes. Including either Georgia or Montana.
http://www.surveyusa.com/clien…
Only 26% thought McCain won, compared with 56% who said the winner was Obama. Pretty much the worst case scenario for the Republican ticket.
McCain has one more chance in 8 days. It’s not too late for a miracle, but that’s what it might take.
Sarah Palin is allowing shouts like these to be made at her campaign appearances and isn’t even trying to discourage them. Disgusting and dangerous.
My biggest fear now is that some deranged racist nut job may slip through the Secret Service. Let’s hope that eight years of Bush neglect hasn’t taken a toll on that organization as well.
There are some people out there who seriously view the very thought of a black man being President of the U.S. as worse than Armageddon. With the near-collapse of the McCain campaign in the face of a tanking economy, these radicals will take matters into their own hands.
Palin is the true “terrorist” right now unless she IMMEDIATELY puts an end to fomenting this type of discussion – sorry, but that’s the truth.
And further, I’ll bet the SS is taking steps to ramp up protection because of the “black president” factor. Dedicated, no dummies there.
Where are the Fox News pols? Only the Obama channels get to put their pols out I guess.
There isn’t a readily available poll, so until you can prove it, don’t say it.
That’s the headline. Here are links to two republican approved pieces, one opinion mixed with AP and one in the forum. See how easy this is?
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews….
http://elections.foxnews.com/2…
That clinches it. When Fox says Obama won, he won.
More like Dennis the Menace’s buddy Mr. Wilson. Except for the obnoxious overgrown adolescent quality. All the grumpiness of age with none of the wisdom or grace.
I’m guessing that after Biden cleaned Palin’s clock on the FOX snap poll following the VP debate, they decided it might be better not to do a snap poll after this outing.