Wednesday Open Thread

“Washing one’s hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.”

–Paulo Freire

20 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Andrew Carnegie says:

    "Did you wipe the server?"

    "What, like with a cloth or something?"

    Drip.

    Drip.

    Drip.

     

    • Zappatero says:

      that's about as funny as a submarine with a screen door. har har har

    • BlueCat says:

      You know AC, many Dems look very dimly on HRC's handling of both her e-mail server situation while SOS and her arrogant handling of the questions about it now and would be happy to engage in a thoughtful discussion with you on the subject. I know I do. In fact I look pretty dimly on HRC in general. Unfortunately you have no desire to engage in anything but this kind of juvenile crap. So whether we support HRC on this or not the one thing we know for sure is that there's no point in discussing it with clueless morons.

  2. davebarnes says:

    Hills deserves this shit.
    Why she put business emails on a personal server is beyond me.
    Why she did not have 2 IMAP email accounts is beyond me.

    • BlueCat says:

      Completely agree. And why use the same account for personal e-mails and state department e-mails if she wanted to keep stuff like wedding plans private? No matter what your reasoning or "convenience" concerns, if you mix official with private stuff you have no right to expect privacy. You also have no right to expect the public to take your word for it that only floral arrangement type stuff was deleted. Especially if you're a Clinton and have always demonstrated a lawyerly attitude toward the truth as in if you can't prove it in a court of law it never happened. 

      I'm increasingly bummed that my only option for avoiding another disastrous GOP presidency is almost certainly going to be this selfish, arrogant, ethically challenged woman who long ago decided this was something Bill owed her for putting up with the serial public humiliations she endured because he not only couldn't keep his pants zipped, he couldn't practice a modicum of good sense and discretion about it.

      I find myself wishing for an indictable revelation from these e-mails or some other super nova scandal to rid us of this troublesome has been old news Clinton ASAP, as in wish it was yesterday, while there's still time for another option, coupled with a Trump run as either the GOP candidate who can't possibly reach the floor for Hispanic votes needed (GW did. Romney didn't) to win the Presidency or as a third party candidate.

      This is the weirdest, most depressing presidential pre-election situation of my life time. I hate everything about it except Bernie who is great as far as he can go, great for changing the conversation and opening some eyes but who definitely has a ceiling. And it's not high enough. Arrggghhhh!

  3. Zappatero says:

    boy, isn't that Pols quote fraught? wink

    Hey all, here're some of the great Republican thought leaders in the U.S. Senate — 'member, we need to be bipartisan with these fine, ummmm, "chaps":

    Lindsey Graham

    Guess who said this?

    "Makes me want to throw up. Makes me want to throw up when I hear that putting these two guys to death for what they did to that family is somehow outside of the standards of decency.”

    That was noted "moderate" Lindsay Graham shrieking about the Connecticut Supreme Court decision to abolish the death penalty resulting in the reduction of death sentences to life in prison with no possibility of parole for two infamous murderers. 

    Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III:

    Walker is on board with the repeal of birthright citizenship as well, which is unsurprising since his immigration guru is the same senator who’s been advising Trump — the Chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Refugees, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions.

     

    Sessions has been flogging the repeal of birthright citizenship since at least 2010, when he was quoted saying:

    “I’m not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen.”

    Sessions is a former judge so he’s been to law school and knows very well what the drafters of the 14th Amendment had in mind. It was adopted in the wake of the Civil War in order to ensure that people like Jeff Sessions and states like Alabama would not be able to deny citizenship, due process and equal protection under the law to former slaves and immigrants.

    Ever since then, people like Jeff Sessions and states like Alabama have been trying to find ways to circumvent the spirit and letter of the Amendment.

    Unfortunately, there are plenty more who show no signs of coming back to reality or ending their jihad against America's first Black President.

    And don't forget: according to our fine senior senator, both sides are responsible for the deadlock in congress. According to me, this is a lie that allows that senator to evade responsibility for the job he was sent there to do and to pander to that mushy middle voter who most likely does not exist.

    • Zappatero says:

      Marco Rubio

      Both the Marco Rubio and Scott Walker planlike concepts share a basic structure and an extreme lack of detail. Walker’s document is a few pages padded out with ample white space. Rubio’s op-ed, which repeats the talking points of another op-ed from a few months ago, contains even less information. And the lack of detail is not a matter of filling in the fine print. Both Walker and Rubio have signed the Grover Norquist pledge to never raise a single penny of tax revenue ever, under any circumstances.

      Both Walker and Rubio propose to cut funding for Medicaid, but this doesn’t create much room to subsidize coverage, since Medicaid is already much cheaper than Medicare or private insurance. Indeed, the main conservative complaint about Medicaid is that it is so cheap that many doctors refuse to see its patients. Republicans are willing to cut Medicaid because they’re generally willing to cut programs that focus on the very poor, but there’s not much blood to be drawn from this stone.

      It is tempting to treat the lack of specifics in the Republican health-care plans as a problem of details to be filled it. But it is not a side problem. It is the entire problem. They will not finance real insurance for the people who have gotten it under Obamacare, nor will they face up to the actual costs they’re willing to impose on people.

      The party is doctrinally opposed to every available method to make insurance available to people who can’t afford it.

      They have spent six years promising to come up with an alternative plan, and they haven’t done it, because they can’t.

      They can't. They won't. They still just want you to go to the emergency room, and to agree with their theory that government should do nothing to affect the Free Market of health care services available to every fine citizen of this great land. (Providing you have tons of cash to pay for those services.)

      And yes, I know these guys are also running for president, but, there are notable Senate R's* who say you shouldn't pollute your senatorial duties with your political statements.

      * – Of course, those Senate R's have already failed miserably at their presidential runs.

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      There you go again (Lindsay Graham and Jeff Sessions comments). You just can't resist a slam on Michael Bennet, can you? How would you know if middle voters exist; or if they're mushy. You're so far left that you've become the left wing version of Moderatus and Andrew Carnegie. 

  4. Zappatero says:

    Ann Coulter gets a little more tweet than she asked for (NSFC – not safe for civilized people). 

    Andrew might have an opinion…..paid for by AFP CO obviously. Will AC go with Ms. Coulter or Mr.Breitbart in this ugly tiff?

  5. notaskinnycook says:

    Just make us all feel really old, the Beloit list things college freshmen don't have a reference for is out:

    http://themindsetlist.com/lists/the-mindset-list-for-the-class-of-2018-born-in-1996/

  6. itlduso says:

    Gosh, is it still the August before the August before the election??

    That being said, I wonder why Trump, et. al., stop at deporting the US born children of undocumented immigrants.  Why not the grandchildren of undocumented immigrants, too?  Aren't they also "illegal" if their parents are "illegal" because their parents are "illegal"?  And, of course, the great-grandchildren, etc., etc.

    Oh, now I get it.  They want all non-whites to leave the country because they must have come from someone who entered the country illegally at some point.

    I just hope I can prove my great-great-great-grandparents had proper documentation when they arrived from Europe in the 1800's.  I wonder if Trump can prove his bona fides?

    • Davie says:

      Interesting question.  Trump's mother was born in Scotland.  His grandparents on his father's side were both born in Germany.  His grandparents on his mother's side were naturally, Scottish.

      So he's practically fresh off the boat!

      http://genealogy.about.com/od/famous_family_trees/p/trump.htm

      I assume he considers them some of the "good ones"

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      He'd have himself a lock on the Native American vote!!

      • mamajama55 says:

        Ya think?

        Daily Currant says not.

        A council of Native American leaders has offered partial amnesty to the estimated 220 million illegal white immigrants living in the United States.

        At a meeting of the Native Peoples Council (NPC) in Albuquerque, New Mexico yesterday, Native American leaders considered several proposals on the future of this continent's large, unauthorized European population. The elders ultimately decided to extend a pathway to citizenship for those without criminal backgrounds.

        "Why can't we just deport all of the Whites back to Europe?" asks Ité Omáǧažu of the Lakota people. "They're just a drain on our economy anyway. They came over here to steal our resources because they're too lazy to develop their own back home."

        OK, it's a spoof site. But it's hilarious.

  7. BlueCat says:

    Wasn't this the old Catholic Church position? That their poor pedophile priests should be given unlimited do over chances to get it together because it was really the fault of all those tempting originally sinful children?

    In May, Missouri House Speaker John Diehl resigned after revelations he had a "sexually charged relationship" with a college freshman who was interning in a Missouri Capitol internship program. He was, of course, one of those "family values" conservatives.

    A mere two months later, Missouri Senator Paul Levota abruptly resigned after revelations he sexually harassed two female interns.

    Now the Missouri Republicans are scrambling to come up with a new internship policy. Rather than focusing on getting their own members to behave professionally with young staffers, as they would in any business setting, the Missouri GOP seems hellbent on reeling in those interns who cause so much trouble. Among their recommendations? Stricter dress codes for interns:

    Rep. Bill Kidd, an Independence Republican, responded almost immediately with the suggestion that an intern dress code was needed. He was seconded by Republican Rep. Nick King of Liberty.

    “We need a good, modest, conservative dress code for both the males and females,” King wrote in an email to colleagues. “Removing one more distraction will help everyone keep their focus on legislative matters.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/18/1413186/-Missouri-senators-resign-after-scandals-Republicans-propose-fix-modest-dress-code-for-interns?detail=email

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Don't know for sure the answer to your question, but this sounds suspiciously much like that Burqas-all-around crowd, no?  Time to send some oath-keepers to Missouri to keep an eye on those terrorists legislators?

  8. notaskinnycook says:

     I just picked this up on The Post's Website: It's never too early to blame the Federal government. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28669132/colorado-utah-attorneys-general-feds-are-withholding-gold?source=rss

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