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Here’s some analysis from ABC News:
used facts in his speech, which I quoted verbatim. You quoted “analysis” from some flack at ABC?
I stopped reading here:
And he’s right about the ‘nation of whiners’. In fact, that quote defines the netroots community.
BTW, where’s the Dow today? Isn’t that (according to you) the panic meter for the economy?
please cite a comment, any comment, where I indicate the daily fluctuation in the DJIA is the panic meter.
McSame’s ‘facts’ are a bit one-sided, as plenty of ‘analysis’ has shown. But then again, I do not expect you to do much more than parrot McShameful talking points.
Where his facts as I quoted are less than accurate.
I was lumping you in with the rest of the freaks around here grousing about the DJIA the last week.
Sorry, that was unfair and I feel horrible about it.
not that anything that disagrees with what you already ‘know’ really matter.
True. Chris Dodd took more.
True. Maybe their nicknames around the office are “Hope” and “Change”.
True.
The rest is editorial, but it’s solid.
The stock market is coming back because the taxpayers are coming to save it. This you like?
Never took you for a free marketer. What should have been done?
If we had some oversight this wouldn’t have happened in the first place. That’s not a partisan statement either, and it would have been pennies on the dollar.
Yes, Wall Street is rebounding for sure. It only cost us taxpayers $ 100 billion or so this week alone, but you know that’s the free market.
The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005?
That is the bill McCain had that died in committee, right ?
Find the individuals responsible, put all their faces on a deck of cards, and hang them in a public TV display!
do about losing two of his top two advisors, then?
To The Editor:
Yesterday, Senator John McCain released a television commercial attacking Barack Obama for allegedly receiving advice on the economy from former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines. From the stump, he has recently tried tying Senator Obama to Fannie Mae, as if there is some guilt in the association with Fannie Mae’s former executives.
It is an interesting card for Senator McCain to play, given that his campaign manager, Rick Davis, was paid by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac several hundred thousand dollars early in this decade to head up an organization to lobby in their behalf called The Homeownership Alliance. …
I worked in government relations for Fannie Mae for more than 20 years, leading the group for most of those years. When I see photographs of Sen. McCain’s staff, it looks to me like the team of lobbyists who used to report to me. Senator McCain’s attack on Senator Obama is a cheap shot, and hypocritical.
Sincerely,
William Maloni
Fannie Mae Senior Vice President for Government and Industry Relations (1983-2004)
massive bail outs, or massive failures as in the case of the Great Depression, always occur under Republican administrations? If they’re so great on the fiscal stuff, why is that, LB? Coincidence? I think not. I think trickle down and no regulation just keeps failing because it’s crappy economic theory for everyone but a few at the top.
They know they can keep on building houses of cards and making a killing until it all falls apart and then we’ll have to rescue them or go down with them. It’s about an elite grabbing all the benefit and sticking the rest of us with all the risk. And it works great if you are a member of that tiny elite. For the rest of us, not so much.
Just thought you should know since you keep referring to him as something other then his name…
“Sarah Palin’s lesser half.”
Don’t you want people to take you seriously?
I know this must be difficult for you, but let’s say it together…
McCain
McCain
McCain
Good job!
as in shameful
and the same as Bush
Vote McCain/Palin 08 for 8 more years of the McSame old shit
you’re mature and rational about your politics.
I agree I am.
For whatever that’s worth.
Good to know how seriously your taking this and that I shouldn’t waste my time with your posts.
Oh, and you’ve lost all rights to bitch about people calling Obama a muslim. If you’re content to be petty, be prepared for others to be petty.
And like it.
are legitimate critiques. I think calling Obama a Muslim is not. But go ahead.
I think the stakes are terribly serious, and I think McCain/Palin would be a disaster.
Like it or not, and even if you disagree with his political positions, John McCain has more patriotism and maturity in the corn in his shit than you have ever displayed here.
Oppose him for President, work against his election – those are noble causes, but respect him for how he’s served his country.
Fool.
and I do not see where his policies as president would differ significantly from Bush. Until you can show me I am wrong on these points–and comparing me to McCain’s shit isn’t exactly sufficient nor does it bother me, as you label me immature to boot–I will continue to refer to John Sidney as McShameful and McSame.
You have never seen me post here in a manner that is disrespectful of Mr. McCain’s military service, nor will you.
You also have no clue about what connections I have to the military.
I understand that you recognize McCain’s vulnerability on the issue of his total abandonment of his integrity as he seeks the presidency, and the fact that McCain=Bush means Obama wins. That sense of vulnerability is well-founded, as it is based on truth.
In that many of the other liberals here have decried referring to McCain as “McSame” or whatever because they view it as disrespectful.
You do not.
So yes, you are alone there buddy.
are a dime a dozen. Haners has done his share of name calling, even of posters here, let alone political figures.
Spanish-language ad?
Is that honorable?
You really want people to take you seriously when you charge that any Presidential candidate has ‘totally abandoned’ their integrity?
It’s over the top.
I really do. When you refer to Obama as The One ™ is that meant as a term of respect?
But it’s a far cry from calling him shameful. His campaign has brought that kind of criticism on himself with the salute thing, and the ‘lowering of the oceans and healing of the earth’ stuff.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for the man. He’s not evil, he’s not shameful, he’s not a disgrace.
He’s just wrong, IMO, and a little full of himself.
that I alone am being disrespectful by pointing out that McCain is running a shameful campaign and proposes policies tht differ little from Bush.
But thanks.
You’re hardly alone, Twitty.
McCain can’t define what “honor” is because he’s forgotten what it is. He used to be a hero, LB is right about that. But he’s bringing shame to the moderate Republicans who supported him in 2000 and to many of his fellow Republican senators and former aides, who claim they cannot even recognize McCain anymore.
Deserved it. He lied about atrocities that he’d said he witnessed (he didn’t), and caused undeserved disrespect back home for honorable soldiers.
Screw Bush and his dodging of the draft by being in the guard. It doesn’t make Kerry’s behavior any better.
disagreed with Rove’s candidate and asked for the treatment they gave him by actually running for re-election. I know it sounds like blaming the victim, but you have to admit Cleland really brought it on himself.
I do with Kerry.
Also, show me the ad you think was so horrible and tell me who’s responsible.
I’m curious.
In the words of Eric Cartman,
“What’s the big fuckin’ deal, bitch?”
When did we disrespect Cleland? I wasn’t even posting then.
Or are you trying to distract from the issue of the actions in which we have responsibility-our own?
Bush’s desertion from the Guard to work on a Senate campaign.
Much like Mitt Romney’s sons did their tour of duty last year!
Go back and re-read your history.
So if someone referred to Obama as “Osama” because they said that Obama’s views were as dangerous as Osama bin Landen’s, that would be ok with you as long as they felt is was based on “legitimate critiques”?
I’m sure you’ll find a way of side stepping the question, but I doubt you would like that.
Go on and continue to refer to Senator McCain as McSame or whatever dumbass thing you think makes you clever. It’s your choice, I’m just trying to help you out here.
unlike someone who wants to compare Obama with OBL.
I thought you would side step the question.
Man, you’re predictable.
Go along and continue on a level of disrespect that other liberals here have found distasteful.
If they think it’s disrespectful…and the couple of Republicans here think it’s disrespectful…but you still think you’re right…
Kind of makes you think, huh?
Oh, wait. Probably not.
I’m not a fan of name calling, but you really want think calling John McCain “McSame” is morally equivalent to comparing Barack Obama to the guy who murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11?
Who cares about anyone’s “views.” We didn’t invade Afghanistan because of OBL’s views, we did it because he is a mass murderer and a terrorist.
Anyone who would cavalierly compare the Democratic nominee for President of the United States with Osama bin Laden is as anti-patriotic as those who claim 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by the Bush administration.
You missed the point. It’s about respect. I think it’s disrespectful to call Barack Obama Hussien, and I take my friends to task for it when they stupidly say “I’m not voting for him because his middle name is Hussien”.
Likewise, I find it highly disrespectful to refer to McCain as “McSame”. To illustrate this point, I used a hypothetical situation.
If you think it’s fine to be disrespectful, that’s fine.
But don’t misrepresent what I was saying.
“No
You missed the point. It’s about respect. I think it’s disrespectful to call Barack Obama Hussien, and I take my friends to task for it when they stupidly say “I’m not voting for him because his middle name is Hussien”.
Likewise, I find it highly disrespectful to refer to McCain as “McSame”. To illustrate this point, I used a hypothetical situation.
If you think it’s fine to be disrespectful, that’s fine.
But don’t misrepresent what I was saying.”
I think the real issue here is that “Obama” is a name that is very difficult to alter and be humorous or ridiculing.
You are caught short and jealous.
After all of the comments I have made about respect over the last 2 1/2 years that I’ve posted here, you’ve nailed my real issue.
It’s that Obama’s name is hard to make fun of.
Yes, I now admit that back in 2006 when I started posting, through the congressional primaries and everything when I’ve talked about respect, really in the back of my mind, I was concerned about Obama’s name.
You want me to believe that I’m the one who’s changed when you bring this sort of shallow crap to the table?
Seriously?
This is getting pretty old, pretty fast.
Thanks a lot Parsing.
Get a grip. It’s been ages since anyone here said anything about people calling Obama a Muslim. And for the record, there is nothing inherently wrong with being a Muslim. Take a deep breath or something. Hissy fits don’t become you.
You’re getting caught up in the example instead of the point. I never said there was anything wrong with being a muslim-why don’t you take your own advice and take a deep breath?
The point is respect. Is that not a good thing? Yes or no?
that Sarah Palin can’t fix.
Today is the greatest holiday of the year – Talk like a Pirate day. In celebration, today we make all shills walk the plank.
Yesssss I totally love this day and totally forgot. Thanks for the reminder.
I have fixed Colorado Pols so that any posts by Nancy L Baldwin (without the period) will not be visible unless to new comers and a few other trolls like sjintheknow if they still exist. It took all night doing each of us individually. Post by her simply will not be seen on your monitor.
if so, THANKS!
Especially off the coast of East Africa.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…
from the AP
He is pulling together the people who know this the best and using their knowledge and skills to craft a suggested response. This is how an effective leader operates.
I am trying my best to not be an asshole so don’t take this as a partisan attack.
I have yet to meet more than ONE Obama supporter in person. And the only one that has told me he is for Obama is my boss who is 83 years old, in the early stages of his mind going south, and sends all his days playing golf.
I rode out to Wisconsin a month ago with my wife and spent a week riding around bar hopping with my sister/brother-in-law. Every person back there that we met told us they were scared to death of Obama getting the nod. Most of the time we did not even bring the subject up as we were on vacation trying to relax, ride our scoots, and drink some beer.
We were setting in one little bar next to Powers Lake in Wisconsin when a semi-distinguished couple on a Road King rode up and walked in. They looked like they should be riding in a BMW but whatever.
They sat there for a couple minutes and then out loud the husband says “So, is this Obama country or what?”
That got an instant arguement started with the bartender and my sister, until that is we found out he was just kidding and is himself scared of Obama getting in too.
I was in a little joint in Florence the other day. On the wall is a sign saying “barack HUSSEIN obama”…….Not in a freindly way.
So in all seriousness, where are all of his supposed supporters?
I personally have seen one. And he is senile.
which includes my brother – they are all for McCain. I was just joking about putting an Obama sticker on his bike and he said he’d kick my ass…
I did ask him why he’d vote McCain and he said Obama would raise his taxes. I told him he would pay less tax under Obama (he makes under 250 K as do most of us) and all I got was “really ?”. At least the McCain campaign is apparently getting to the base with the misinformation…
After I bought my Titan back from my friend that blew it up, I rebuilt it and two weeks ago sold it along with my ’07 Street Glide. I just bought an ’09 Screamin Eagle Ultra Classic.
Any ideas for a new name besides “grouch”?
That is my old nickname here at work.
The High Tech Redneck. He loves that one !
Seriously, you should know that your life and the people around it are not representative samplings.
I’ve not met a McCain supporter….
It’s as simple as that.
but that does not explain why in a company of roughly 70 employees where I work, only the senile old guy is an Obama supporter.
There are only 5 Harley riders working here. The rest are a mixture of young/older people.
You live in the springs ! That’s like saying I can’t find a McCain supporter in Boulder. Same thing IMHO.
to take a small sample and conclude from it. That’s why real polling has a minimum of 1200 people. That’s a number that statisticians can tell you why they use it, I’m too dumb. And even at 1200 there is a +/-3% margin of error.
If you were to poll my family, it’s a sweep for Obama.
I think Fidel’s comment is worthy, too. I would add that the majority of your coworkers – correct me if I’m wrong – are working stiffs, blue collar. Since Nixon, the R’s have been very successful in getting said folks to vote R instead of for the party that would do them some good.
I will bet most ALL blue collar everyday workers will vote McCain. Not because we are giant McCain fans, but because he will be better than a feared tax loving one time senator…….lesser of two evils.
IMHO of course.
I find all of Fidel’s comments to be worthy. Worthy of scorn and derision, yes, but worthy nonetheless.
But his moniker alone demands respect.
Oh, and anecdotally? I interviewed three people and Obama won’t win a single electoral vote.
🙂
Damn Romanians
men want to be him, women want to be with him. It gets boring after a while, trust me : )
You rock. Made my Friday.
Cheers.
and cheers to you too.
You and Haners and Gecko and Newsman – for what its’ worth I think you are all misguided souls, but I don’t doubt for a second you all believe in what you do for all the right reasons.
Now off to hopefully get a dog from the Humane Society…
whether or not I am lower than a piece of undigested corn in the old man’s shit.
actual supporters and they all live in San Francisco and Luxembourg. The rest of the millions of people who state their preference for him in the polls are all on George Soros’s payroll.
Your vote is not needed at this juncture, McCain will easily carry 49 states. Have a beer, tell your friends to stay home too. No one really supports Obama, so your guy is a shoe-in.
that was a joke, but apparently not a very good one.
And I always appreciate attempts at humor on this blog that aren’t cruel.
Every pro-Obama blogger is actually just Markos Moulitsas.
I had the same kind of experience that Gecko has had. I was unable to find anyone who supported Nixon. Imagine my surprise.
certainly none of my family (and dad is retired military officer), friends, acquaintances, etc.
Whoever they were, man they had the wool pulled over their eyes, huh?
I hardly ever meet a McCain supporter. Guess we just tend to flock with birds of a feather.
and not just this year.
We tend to talk only with those who agree with us. Many of us are not civil and really open to discussion when faced with a differing opinion in a conversational place. We do need to find a way to discuss without cussing.
The worst thing about this blog, and all others that I have found, is that they are either on (largely) one side or the other. They all accept well reasoned discussion from some on the other side but not very many of those will participate because (here) it is seen as a lib site. I don’t want to read the sites that are on the right because they are far too accepting of the far, far right.
Just sayin’
I only want to discuss politics with those I disagree with. I go have quite a few friends who disagree with me a lot, both on the left (easy to find in Boulder) and to the right (difficult) of me.
But most people do tend to prefer those that agree with them. I think that makes for a boring world.
My 83 year-old mother, a life-long Republican, is supporting Obama enthusiastically. Married to my WWII veteran dad for 57 years until he died, she’s a big patriot and war hero fan. She used to love Senator McCain back in the days of the “Straight Talk Express 2000” but has lost most of her respect for him as he has morphed into someone she no longer recognizes.
She’s a fiscal conservative and while fairly conservative in her outlook, she is not at all interested in interfering in people’s personal lives. She’s pissed off that the GOP has left her and others like her behind. And she’s been apoplectic over Bush’s conduct in Iraq and the skyrocketing U.S. deficit.
So over nightly dinners together, she’s convincing her retirement community friends to vote for Obama/Biden, God love her.
The former publisher and now editor in chief of the New Republic is going to vote for Obama.
Link here.
New Republic wouldn’t be much of a surprise.
Always mixed them up….
A number of traditional conservative columnists are having a hard time with McCain’s Palin pick. Even if others don’t come out and endorse the opposition, you never know what some might do in the privacy of the voting booth. A certain kind of old school (not neocon or evangelical) conservative will have a hell of a time taking Palin seriously as an appropriate person to be a heart beat away from the presidency.
Now that’s headline news!
Come on, OQD….
but seriously I have an extremely wide circle and many people are in your situation: one way or the other.
There is a book called “The Big Sort” which describes how we have been sorting ourselves into communities of interest for 30 years. Your neighbors, coworkers, churchfellows, fellow bar goers and hobbiests, are likely to share your views. Its seen as one of the reasons for the rise of the hard partisanship.
BTW I still haven’t met any of the 30% of americans that approve of George Bush. I guess my circle isn’t that wide.
Or are you just inferring that all black folks support Obama?
That in politics is pretty close to all. That is not an inference it is a statistical polling fact.
It is the most loyal demographic in all of american politics even without a black candidate.
Its why the GOP works so hard to supress the back vote.
McCain probably has Clarence Thomas and Alan Keyes in his camp.
I understand Colin Powell is waiting until after the debates to make an endorsement. (The fact that he’s even considering supporting a Dem is significant.)
Condi Rice will only endorse the guy she wants to see lose since her endorsement would be toxic.
Any word on who Joe Rogers is backing? Doesn’t that pretty much cover the entire GOP African-American caucus? (Oppps, sorry, your party doesn’t recognize such things as minority caucuses)
When polls show 90+% of blacks are supporting Obama, lets not pretend that assuming most blacks are Obama supporters is somehow racist. You sound like Colbert’s Colbert Report persona. His “I don’t see color so you’ll have to tell me if you’re black” routine is satire, you know.
from the AP
Avast Mateys – Lots of fun stuff today, because of the holiday I’m sure. From the New York Post
like a $400 haircut?
The haircut was paid for with campaign funds.
…can she afford clothes like that?
she collects a per diem for living at home. That’s gotta help the old budget!
That’s why she had to break the promise she made when she ran for Guv that if elected, Todd would quit his job with the oil company for which he was working.
He did actually quit for one year, then went back to work there for $92,000 because they discovered that they couldn’t afford to live on her gubernatorial salary. (This ranks up there with Tancredo suddenly discovering that seniority matters in D.C.)
Since he’s collecting $92,000 per year, and has his commercial fishing business and races snowmobiles and finds time to try to pressure the public safety commissioner to fire state troopers and finds time to ignore complyiance with subpoenas, I wonder how he finds the time to be the primary stay-at-home parent for their five children.
that the people running for high office are not and do not live like just plain guys and gals next door and get over it. Biden comes pretty close but that’s beside the point.
Let’s forget about who we’d rather have a beer with or whose house we think we’d be more comfortable in (actually heard that as an explanation for voting for Bush from a woman who disagreed with Bush on all policy issues..she’d be more comfortable at George and Laura’s), realize we’re not going to be invited in any case and ignore the pretend folksy stuff.
With or without a Valentino jacket, Palin is no friend of the ordinary woman, ordinary family or ordinary worker. No offense but it’s the policy positions, stupid.
She buys something with her own money and you guys are whining.
I hope you get a chance to visit AK someday. All this nonsense about the per diem stuff will make total sense to you.
I’m saying it’s silly to expect pols to conform to a fiction of just plain folksiness. And I guess you never made a comment about Edward’s $400 haircut, LB?
It was typical Edwards. Faux populism, talking about sacrifice, and then using people’s hard-earned money (I personally hate donating political money – it feels like a huge siphon away from my efforts to keep my family fed and dry, but I know it sometimes has to be done) to get a haircut that would be expensive even for a chick.
no comment
that’s supposed to be funny. How much does the average guys haircut cost? $35?
Women spend much more. $400? That’s re-Goddamn-diculous!!
or very hockey mom.
So she surrounds herself with gay men?
Go team!
from BAGnews Notes
was sent to just about every city council member in the country (and all sorts of other local officials, state legislators) the week that photo was taken, it was probably just in a pile of material she had to sort through. Red herring.
Powell didn’t want to run for President. We NEED him
He could have resigned rather than spread what he knew to be manure and maybe changed history.
But otherwise, yeah, a lot better than McCain.
I heard that he was a POW or something.
it were that simple.
I thought of asking this BC but then figured that others might benefit from having it here.
If one were to buy a CD today, should said CD(s) be shorter or longer terms? Will this crisis lead to higher or lower interest rates in the medium to one year term?
I know crystal balls are poor performers, but what are your thoughts?
My guess is that medium term interest rates will fall, but hey, what do I know?
transforms into Danny the Red’s Money Line.
CNBC?
Long term rates have to go up, at some point inflation will be the dominant fear.
Th Fed didn’t cut rates at the meeting this week because of it. We are already in a liquidity trap (interest rates-inflation less than 0) which makes the monetary tools ineffective for stimulating the economy. This is what happened in Japan in the 90’s.
Either the government is going to address the long term structural problems of the economy and then rates will rise rapidly to try to cool off inflation as the economy reaccelerates or the government will fumble around with piecemeal solutions and we will wander through low interest rates for the next 10 years as the market clears the banking system and reignites demand for money.
While betting this government will act decisively is a hard bet, the alternative is to dire.
Read up on the “liquidity trap” and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Concept that Keynes invented and Friedman agreed with–that doesn’t happen often.
In hindsight I wasn’t too clear. I was wondering how to get the most interest over the next year or so in a CD. Since you posted we went and did a 12 month for 4.15% annual. I guess if the inflation dragon rears and all rates go up, we can just weigh out the 3 month interest penalty v. keeping it there.
Thanks for your thoughts. Enlightening.
Let me be clear rates aren’t going up for a while, they just don’t have much room to go down.
Current LIBOR is 3.35. LIBOR is the rate banks lend to each other so you have a good number.
Constant Maturity Treasury is about 1.50 for 1 year.
You got a good deal as long as you FIDC insured.
Hou secure would you feel about your retirement years in todays stock market and financial markets?
Dontcha love that BS?
Imagine if you were socking away for your retirement with a target date of December, 1929? Lots of consolation about the long term.
It took until about 1955 for the Dow to get back to where it was before the crash.
Social Security is deisgned to ensure you won’t starve, it does that well and NEVER should be exposed to the vicissitudes of the market. Personally, I want to live well, and I’m putting all I can into my 401k and some other investments. You bet I have them in the market, mostly the S&P 500 and other wide based funds. But I can afford to take that risk because if worse comes to worse, I still have Sopcial Security plus, in my casem, the “third leg of the stool,” a company pension. The market is a great place, this year notwithstanding, but no substitute for the security that OASDI provides.
…not a retirement plan. The cons always talk as if it is the latter and therefore you are getting screwed.
In 73 years not one payment has been missed, not one hint of scandal. Compare to FNMA, FDMC, Wall Street.
I’m just 32 months away from getting my first check!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…
Boy they sure learn fast, don’t they? Fucking Republicans. “Subpoena, what subpoena?” sayeth Cheney and Palin.
Claims that the investigative panel is “no longer legitimate” and is partisan. Yeah, like 8 pubs and 4 Dems.
Welcome to the Palin administration preview.
But the executives are big McCain supporters
http://politicalticker.blogs.c…
Aw sh**, facts don’t play well to McCain’s base, or the righties here…..fuggetaboutit.
details here
I thought David just made this up. Now I just heard Olbeman mention it. Does that mean that I missed some liberal directive because I never heard of it until David’s post this AM. Is this annual? Was I supposed to gift someone? Dress differently? Was pillaging required? There is still time for me to do some pillaging but I’ll have to get started because I need to go to bed early tonight.
No gifts, no costumes, no pillaging. Just say “aarrrrrr” a lot and you’re celebrating.
We leave the to the Republican administration approach to the economy.