“These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics.”


Some other gems…

Party elders also believe the Obama camp is in denial about warnings from Democratic pollsters that his true standing is four to six points lower than that in published polls because of hidden racism from voters – something that would put him a long way behind Mr McCain.

He rammed home the point during a rally in New Hampshire, pointing out Mr McCains recent admission that he was divorced from some of the challenges of ordinary Americans.

Mr Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, called it the first day of the rest of the campaign.

But that was the fourth time in the last nine months that Mr Obamas team have been forced to declare that the gloves are coming off. And Mr Plouffe’s dismissal of Democratic doubts as hand-wringing and bed-wetting only served to reinforce the growing doubts about what some see as a bunker mentality among Obamas inner circle – where outside advice, even from highly experienced people, is not welcomed.

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  1. redstateblues says:

    I don’t know if you saw this, but I wanted to make sure you did, because it made me think of you.

  2. JeffcoBlue says:

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t exactly celebrate Americans’ “hidden racism” with a “wow.” I certainly don’t find it to be a “gem.”

    What are you trying to say, LB? Or should I take the dog whistle you’re blowing at face value?

    • Laughing Boy says:

      The fact that this race is close, let alone that Obama is now having the wheels come off is wow.  

      If you read the article, the speculation is that the racist element is among people that are polling for Obama when asked by a pollster, but will not vote for him when in a booth, i.e. Democrats.

      I celebrate the fact that Obama might lose.  I’m not too excited about McCain, but Palin is a big step in the right direction for me.

      Senator Obama is an intelligent, inspiring, amazing man but his policies are opposite mine on most topics so I don’t want him to be President.  Before you start ignorantly calling people racists in so many words, you might want to A. grow up, and B. read the article on which they’re commenting.

      • JeffcoBlue says:

        A little defensive, are we?

        Funny how you righties always fall back on the “he’s an inspiration but” platitudes after you get called on what you actually said.

        It’s pretty simple as far as I’m concerned: you highlighted Americans’ “hidden racism” with a few other reasons you believe Obama is in trouble, a possibility you “celebrate.” You gave no indication that you regret, disagree with or object to this “hidden racism” in any way, it was just one of several bullet points you endorsed with a “wow,” and referred to as “gems.”

        Is there something I’m missing? Oh yeah, you called me a “moron” too. Gee, look at all the ways you elevate discourse around here.

        • Laughing Boy says:

          What did I actually say?

          Some other gems…

          That’s pretty racist.  You’re right.

          The article highlights perceived Democrat hidden racism.  It’s honestly a concept I hadn’t thought about.  I couldn’t conceive of telling someone I was going to vote for a particular candidate and then not vote for them.  I don’t make my decisions on things like that based on rationale that I’m uncomfortable sharing with anyone.

          The knee-jerk labeling of everyone that disagrees with Sen. Obama’s policies as racist by his followers is one of the things that could cost him the election.

          It’s a real turn-off.

        • Laughing Boy says:

          Here’s an image you can just post any time someone posts an article from a newspaper that you don’t like.  It will save your fingers from cramping up while race-baiting.

          Here is your inference:

          you highlighted Americans’ “hidden racism” with a few other reasons you believe Obama is in trouble, a possibility you “celebrate.”

          Here’s what I said:

          I celebrate the fact that Obama might lose.

          If he loses because some polled Democrats are racists (the supposition of the article – try reading it) then that’s a shame.  I’m going to vote for almost anyone else other than Obama for a few reasons. Here they are, so you can try to find a way to weasel racial politics into them this weekend.

          A. I’m a Republican.  I rarely vote for Dems, and especially in a Presidential term that will probably appoint at least two SCOTUS justices.  That alone was enough for me to stomach McCain before he appointed Palin.

          B. Free markets work.  Protectionism doesn’t.  

          C. I’m bitter and cling to my guns and religion.  Obama has in the past called for a nationwide ban on CCW permits and handguns.  

          D. I want the Bush tax cuts to be made permanent.

          E. We are at war with radical Islam.  I want a President who acknowledges this to my satisfaction and has an aggressive policy to defeat them.

          F. I have no problem with American exceptionalism. I celebrate it.

          There.  Plenty for us to disagree on without having anything to do with race.  Isn’t that incredible that people might have actual reasons not to vote for Sen. Obama?  

          • JeffcoBlue says:

            Don’t you wish this laundry list of perfectly legitimate points of debate was the subject of your diary? I’m betting by now you do.

            But of course it wasn’t, you wanted to discuss “hidden racism” putting Obama several points below polls in reality. It ‘wowed’ you, it was one of several “gems” you felt were too important for a mere open thread comment. You posted a diary so we could all comment on your little “gem” and I did. Noteworthy that my responses seem to have elicited progressively longer “bitch please” nastygrams from you–a little defensive, are we?

            And do you seriously think that the possibility of this being latent Democratic racism makes cheering it on any more excusable? Has our team sports political culture really divorced you that far from your moral fiber? Actually, your use of “Democrat hidden racism” as a foil while you “celebrate” it helping your side answers the question.

            But since you brought it up, let me just say that every cud-chewing Dixiecrat who still harbors racial prejudice, however well concealed, needs to get the hell out of the Democratic Party and JOIN THE GOP like the vast majority of them did over 40 years ago. Are you proud to be part of the safe haven Trent Lott found for his bigotry? Does it make you proud?

            I like you, LB, you’ve got some spunk and persistence for a cheap shot specialist wingnut. There comes a point in every debate when one side realizes that their best course of action is to sulk away and retool their busted-ass argumentation before they dig their hole any deeper. For you that moment is rapidly approaching.

            • Laughing Boy says:

              Honestly, and without an ounce of snark, it never crossed my radar that anyone (especially a self-identified Democrat) would tell a pollster something and vote another way because of race.

              Certainly not to the point of it costing Sen. Obama the election.  

              That’s a “wow” on many levels.  Not a celebratory wow, but a shaking of the head.

              Much like this:

              Noteworthy that my responses seem to have elicited progressively longer “bitch please” nastygrams from you–a little defensive, are we?

              I wouldn’t call you a bitch for disagreeing with me – it’s rude, and inappropriate.  

              It’s moronic to consistently rely on a false invective of casting people as racist, and then saying ‘oh, defensive, are we?’ when countered.

              And to my point, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for Sen. Obama to lose the election, IMO.  

            • Laughing Boy says:

              The racist element was not the focus of the article, or what I boldfaced.

              It was the arrogance and ineptitude of the Obama campaign.  That they are unable to see that they are now ‘blowing a gimme’ and not listening to advice, and repeating silly ‘gloves off’ attacks that brought them to where they are now.

              I’m shocked and elated at the current state of affairs, unrelated to race.

  3. DavidThi808 says:

    This election should have been a gimme.

    There is a racist element in the electorate, although I think the polls are catching it in the totals. And I think it’s smaller today than it was 20 years ago.

    Obama’s team needs to get it in gear and they don’t seem to be able to come up with a change in approach to effectively combat McCain.

    I worry that they created their plan back in February and are still trying to make that plan work. No plan for battle survives contact with the enemy.

  4. Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

    Yes, those of you that are well read have other reasons for not voting for Obama.  Obama is a Democrat, his views are supposed to be different from the other Party.

    But the underlying, issue in the race is race.

    Before you all get defensive – no, all of you are not racist – but ALL of you are bias, as am I and I have a white woman for a mom.

    Willow’s “Baby’s Daddy” scares the hell out of me.  His myspace page stated clearly, “Hell yeah, I’m a fucking redneck”. He is the white boy I see in mountain towns that look me and friends up and down as we head to the ski slopes.  Or those really ignorant frat boys at the CU that decided they could spit on Latinas. We are always expecting this “type” to start so type of altercation – and a number of times it has happened.

    So, I am bias against redneck white people – they scare me. That’s what I see when I see Sarah Palin – crass, small minded, has no idea of diversity, has never met anyone like me, yet proceeds to have opinions on what books I should be able to read, how I should raise my family and most importantly wants to put into effect policies about the rest of the world she has never been curious enough to visit.

    She and her family is what I see as America’s worse.

    Now the other side.  Black people scare the hell out of many of you.  Black people are not allowed to get mad – because White people get afraid when someone Black raises their voice or gets emotional. You see me as a gang member, criminal, not educated and violent.  (Just like I see Palin and her daughter’s “Baby Daddy”.)

    Barack must be like them – he is Black.  

    Palin must be like them – she is a redneck, Hockey mom.

    You can not imagine a Black man leading the world.

    I can not imagine a redneck in the White House.

    As an educated, traveled, Bi-Racial member of this society, I see my life as future of America.

    As hockey moms and dads, religious, Christians, you see your life as the future of America.

    This race, as with most races, has more to do with our internal feelings that we may or may not understand, than it does with the ISSUES that affect us – economy, war, etc.

    I am using generalities – I expect that each of you will look at yourselves and say that statement is not true about me, maybe not.  But if you are honest, you should be able to admit that it is true of people you know.

    One quick note, in Sept of 1981, I took a class called Sociology of the Future.  We talked about data transfer over the phone lines, 500 TV channels and most people being connected by a computer and portable phone. The class nailed the technology of the future.

    In the same class, sociologist in the late 70’s said that by 2025America as we know it will not exist.  It will be divided by race and religion.  Are those sociologists seeing their predictions come true?

    • Barron X says:


      I prefer your thoughtful posts to your angry ones.


    • DavidThi808 says:

      Yes you see most everything through the prisim of race – and that makes sense for what you have seen in life.

      But for a lot of people it really is secondary. For a born-again Christian it’s Obama’s pro choice position that makes him unacceptable, not his skin color. For someone who thinks the answer in Iraq is war forever it’s Obama’s preference to get us out of that morass that makes him unacceptable.

      Yes race is first for some. And it’s secondary but still an issue for others. But for many many people it’s the policies, both for those that support Obama and those that oppose him.

  5. Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

    I wish this election was less painful for me.

    • Laughing Boy says:

      Who is saying ‘things about Barack and black people’?

      Nobody in this thread.

      I know there are many racist morons out there, but I have yet to see more than one or two posts that even bordered on it on this blog.

      Are you referring to any of the discourse on Pols?

  6. Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

    It would appear that many people of color think about this stuff.  

    This IMO, is the issue…

    Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, …that minorities and immigrants, being different from “us” pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat.

    She is the reverse of Barack Obama, deriding his idealism and turning negativity into a cause for pride. In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of “the other.”

    For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don’t want to express them.

    He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind.

    In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision

    Look at what she stands for:

    Small town values – a nostaligic return to simpler times disguises a denial of America’s global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism.

    Ignorance of world affairs – a repudiation of the need to repair America’s image abroad.

    Family values – a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don’t need to be needed.

    Rigid stands on guns and abortion – a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.

    Patriotism – the usual fallback in a failed war.

    Gov. Palin can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress.

    The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness

    The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest…

    We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.

    It is worth a read:


    • Laughing Boy says:

      But most of that is utter garbage.

      Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, …that minorities and immigrants, being different from “us” pure American types, can be ignored…

      Can you show me something that Palin has said that would make you believe that she wants to ignore minorities and immigrants?

      Talk about using fear…

      • Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

        And there a thousand of recent examples. Yes, it is fear.  On both sides, that is what my post is about.

        Fear of Barack – just listen to Hannity, Rush, etc you will hear it all day.

        Fear of Palin like people.  No curiousity of differnt people or need to get to know anyone different than her. Yet she wants to govern in an office that requires at least a basic understanding of people different from you. It would be nice if she actually met someone different looking than herself.  I don’t know how she could do that, given she has barely been out a Alaska and has never been out of the country.

        So, I do not get the feeling she knows anything about me or my family or lifestyle – nor has shown anything in her background or life that she is even interested in getting to know people like me.

        At least Barack has met White people, had dinner with them, worked with them, went to school with them and has even loved a number of them.

        I bet Palin has never had dinner with a Black person and I know she has never loved anyone Black, or Latino, or Asian, or not from America.  I could be wrong…

        • Laughing Boy says:

          I think I’m much more representative of a majority of Republicans than Hannity or Rush are.  They have to be controversial because that’s how they make their livings.  

          I bet Palin has never had dinner with a Black person and I know she has never loved anyone Black, or Latino, or Asian, or not from America.  I could be wrong…

          A. What????

          B. I was unaware that to be eligible to be the Vice President you need to have ‘loved’ someone from a foreign country.

          Come on, WLJ.  THis is paranoid and ridiculous.

          I also have a foil for your entire argument:

          Colin Powell would win the Presidency in a landslide as a Republican.

          • Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

            I should not have gone as far as loved – ok.  But for a person like me that has not only had dinner with, but has loved Whites, Blacks, Latinos and a whole bunch foreigners, it is hard for me to understand why that it is not important to you. I would expect anyone that seeks the top office in the land has at least had some relationship with someone who looks different than you.

            Would you vote for a Black person that has never had some type of relationship with a White person, outside of maybe a casual meeting? Would you vote for a Black person from Compton that had never been out of Compton, even if they were the Mayor?

            Would that person, no matter their political party, make you feel comfortable?  If you say yes, I will honestly feel like you are not being truthful.

            I am sure she is fine pick for Gov of Alaska (not really, but whatever), she is one of the worse choices for a VP of a country that is multi-ethnic.

            • Laughing Boy says:

              in choosing our politicians.

              I think you’re not being as objective about the conversation as you maybe think you are.

              You have developed a false dilemma.  How do you know Palin has no contact with minorities?  You don’t.  You’re just saying it.

              I think you’d have more respect for my POV if you knew me, and what I do.

              You’ll just have to take my word for it.

              Good conversation today.  Thank you.

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