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September 11, 2008 07:55 PM UTC

McCain's Book Banning Problem

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  • by: Go Blue

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McCain picked a book banning authoritarian to be a heart beat away from the Presidency. He’s shown his eager willingness and poor judgement to sell out to religious extremists for his own political ambition. Talk about putting America second.

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  1. FactCheck.org begs to differ with this characterization.

    You should get familiar with factcheck.org – they debunk alot of the lies you have been spreading.

    By checking your facts and then tempering your rhetoric – I think you will find that your credibility on issues will increase.

    Just a suggestion.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elect…

    1. this FactCheck.org which said

      It’s true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla’s librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman (Wasilla’s local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin “was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can’t be in the library.” Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons’ position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons’ story, telling the Chicago Tribune that “Sarah said to Mary Ellen, ‘What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?’ “

      And has a another FactCheck on “McCain-Palin Distort Our Finding”.

      Yeah, not much credibility coming from that campaign and/or their shills like yourself. Palin is an extremist, and McCain is a failed candidate for choosing her as his running mate.

      1. It was a hypothetical question to determine what steps the Librarian would take if confronted with book banning.  At no time was the Librarian asked to ban books.

        That is what I took from factcheck.org

        No books were ever banned and no titles were ever suggested to be banned.  

        Factcheck says that the book banning thing is not true.  And I came to the same conclusion.

        2. She tried to ban books like a good little religious extremists would… but I don’t except you to understand that after defending Palin’s actions and calling Mr. Ewegen an intellectual midget!  

    2. The news report establishes that Palin did inquire about banning books whether at the policy level or about specific books at a time when her church wanted certain books banned from the Wasilla Library.  It seems to me that she should be ask why she even inquired about banning books.  And she should be asked if public officials have the right to ban books rom public libraries.  If she does, then we need to know what standards and policies she would use to make that determination.  Even the mere broaching of this subject to the librarian and at a Wasilla city council meeting requires her to answer these questions.  Frankly, even putting aside the obvious constitutional issues, I don’t want elected officials or the government to tell me what I can and cannot read or watch.  The government has no business doing that.  

      Later Mayor Palin attempted to fire the librarian because she didn’t think she received the support from her she deserved.  What kind of support and support for what purposes or policies? Why did she believe that?  What kind of support did she think she should receive from a librarian. Gov. Palin should answer questions about these subjects and others.  These are legitimate avenues of inquiry because how she answers these questions will give us insight into whether she believes the government has the authority to regulate what we read and see.  These questions go straight to a discussion of our fundamental constitutional rights.

      1. fits the same pattern of the firing of the Alaska public safety commissioner.  

        A) An employee of Palin dosen’t do what she wants

        B) She fires them

        C) She claims it was about another issue, not the actual reason she fired them.

        1. I posted a NEWS REPORT from ABC, not a rumor. See that video clip above. Press play and watch what ABC reported.

          Perhaps if Palin wasn’t a pathological liar hiding from the press there wouldn’t be soo much confusion as to who she really is and what she really believes in out there.  

    1. This incident demonstrated how Palin feels about First Amendment issues, e.g., that she’s not a friend of the free and open exchange of ideas.

      Libraries are used to dealing with Palin’s ilk; their success in stopping her at a very early point means that she isn’t a censor, just that she isn’t a successful censor.

    1. did Tipper Gore ever seek?

      Ms. Gore didn’t “ban” music.  She supported ratings on music that allowed parents to decide what was appropriate for their children.  There is a huge difference between banning and rating (unless NC-17 is the rating for a movie and that opens up a  whole different can of worms).

      Incidentally, for someone who professes to be a “Democratic woman” you seem to lob quite a few accusations at Democrats.  Is your opposition to Tipper based on her gender?  Are you being a sexist?

            1. but not ridiculous.  You clearly don’t follow the issues.  Troopergate involves a state trooper.  The police chief was a municipal position while she was mayor.  

              USA Today

              WASILLA, Alaska – In 2000, Alaska lawmakers learned that rural police agencies had been billing rape victims or their insurance companies $500 to $1,200 for the costs of the forensic medical examinations used to gather evidence. They quickly passed a law prohibiting the practice.

              According to the sponsor, Democrat Eric Croft, the law was aimed in part at Wasilla, where now-Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor. When it was signed, Wasilla’s police chief expressed displeasure.

              1. for wanting to close the town’s bar early.  Disagree with Sarah, and she’ll fire you.  Just like she tried to fire the librarian.  Just like the trooper.  Exactly what we need int he WH, someone who (again) refuses to even tolerate a dissenting view.

            2. Palin’s town used to bill victims for rape kits

              In 2000, Alaska lawmakers learned that rural police agencies had been billing rape victims or their insurance companies $500 to $1,200 for the costs of the forensic medical examinations used to gather evidence. They quickly passed a law prohibiting the practice…

              In 2000, there were 497 rapes reported in Alaska, FBI statistics show. That’s a rate of 79.3 per 100,000 residents, the highest in the nation.

              Nationally, victims’ advocates have for years reported scattered instances of rape victims being required to pay for their forensic tests, says Ilse Knecht of the National Center for Victims of Crime in Washington. Those complaints have subsided somewhat after Congress in 2005 passed a law requiring states to provide rape exams free of charge or reimburse victims for the costs, says Knecht, whose group supported the provision.

            3. She wants to take a woman’s right to choice while forcing rape victims to buy their rape kits. In the words of Hillary Clinton, No How, No Way, No McCain, No Palin.

                1. Should it be legal? Or not?

                  If it should, are there any instances where you think it should either be outlawed or restricted (e.g., should a pregnant teen first get parental consent)?

                  1. Not only should it be legal.  It should be mandatory.  I like China’s policy on abortion.  We should issue licenses for people to have babies and if they don’t have a license they should get fined for having more then 1 child.

    3. Tipper never tried to ban anything. She was trying to get some labels on the most offensive crap so parents could use their discretion. That’s no more banning music than the movie ratings are banning movies. Or do you want your 6 year old watching hard-core porn?

      Regretfully, Nancy Baldwin is an idiot!

      1. Tipper actively worked to make it harder for the music industry to sell records.  Ms. Palin never did anything to ban books or make it harder to get books.

          1. Regretfully Bob is a mental midget.

            Hey:  Did you all see that Biden admitted that Hillary is a better VP pick then he is?

            If only…

            Hillary is truely a hero.  It really stinks that the Repubs had to steal this issue and put a strong woman on the ticket.

                  1. then why should we assume you are ‘defenseless’?  

                    Surely you’re not saying that all women are?  Or that any charge leveled at someone who happens to be a woman is beating them up?

                    1. Show a list of banned books. Show a list of requested books to ban.  The facts don’t seem to be in dispute, no books were banned, but spin sure is running wild.

                    2. They have a list alright.  It even includes books that were written after the supposed incident.  

                    3. The issue at hand isn’t any amount of success in banning said books. The issue at hand is that she even requested the librarian to look into it.

                      What if an elected official “inquired” to a city/state/federal employee about how one could go about censoring the media. Would that be OK too, since no censorship actually took place?

                    4. ‘perhaps so’ about going to war with Russia?  two unfinished wars are not enough?  

                      against abortion for victims of rape and incest?  

                      teaching Biblical creationism in school (as science)?

                      thinking that God’s plan includes a new gas pipeline (that remains to be built…raising all sorts of theological questions about omnipotence and the like)?

                      her penchant to fire whatever employee doesn’t knee-jerk in agreement?

                      lying about her pro-pork policies?

                      lying about ‘selling’ a jet on EBay?

                      if there is a God, please, please, please…

                    5. But if we get to the point not letting people ask questions about what would happen if…we will truly be in trouble.  

          2. That’s why I don’t waste my time reading any of the crap she posts.  

              I also generally don’t read any of the rantings of Libertad (or is it Libertine?  or Liberace? well, whatever…)

  4. Well the truth is that Sarah Palin is more qualified then the community organizer Barak Obama (Community Agitator).

    Oh by the way.  Jeremiah Wright is also a community organizer.

        1. like I believe that the administration of George W. Bush has been an unqualified success.

          But I’ll give you a chance to prove it. What are the positions you feel most strongly about?

          1. 1.  Women First.  I agree with Caty Couric when she said that the Obama campaign was all about sexism.

            2.  The economy:  Clinton gave us the best economy the US has ever seen.  Hillary would have continued that.  Obama blew it and didn’t ask Hillary to be the VP.

            3.  The Military Industrial Complex:  At least Obama agrees with me that we should dismantle the military and negotiate with our enemies instead of provoking them to arms.  That includes us getting rid of guns.  We need to confiscate all the guns and beat them into plows.

            4.  Abortion:  Women can never truly be liberated until they have had an abortion.  The thing holding us down is our biological reproductive process.  If men had to have babies our population would be much smaller.  Men have no right to even talk about this subject.  So don’t start with me.

            5.  Education.  We need to get more money for our public education.  We should ban Charter Schools and should jail anyone who keeps their children out of school under the fraud of homeschooling.

            6.  Banning religion:  We need to ban all religion so that it doesn’t interfere with Government.  Not until we outlaw religion will we be able to seperate church from state!        

            1. to irrelevance.  

              Ban religion?  Confiscate all guns?  There’s this little piece of paper you might have to abrogate first, the Constitution.  

              Finally, it makes no sense to support reproductive rights and cross the aisle to vote for McSame who will appoint anti-choice zealots to the Supreme Court, and whose running mate opposes abortion EVEN FOR RAPE AND INCEST.  

              Listen to what Hillary says:

              No way, No how, No McCain, No Palin.

                1. Sorry, you’re not going to win this. McCain is a loser of a candidate who picked a religious fundamentalists with no experience as his running mate. He sold out and will lose.  

              2. those are an insane ideas.  aside from defending the Clinton economic policy which is reasonable the rest are pure bunk

                Either nancy is insane or a liar.

                1. You’re right.  Done replying.  What Hillary said as a primary candidate should trump what she said two weeks ago in Denver, and again this week on the stump (for Obama)?

                  It’s crazy talk.  The sign of an unhinged mind.  

                    2. You mean the kits that force abortions?  I can understand why McCain would vote against that.  It violates his conscience to have taxpayer funded forced abortions.

                      I may disagree with that – because I believe Government should license babies.  

                      Instead Rape victims should be forced to abort even if it violates their conscience.  Society shouldn’t be licensing illegitimate children.  Those children born out of rape are wrecking our culture.

                    3. You cannot even grasp the simple explanation of what a rape kit is.

                      And how fitting that it’s a “matter of choice for McCain” but no one else. Like I said, he picked an authoritarian running mate which seems to suit him well. I guess they’re both out to lunch… like you.

                    4. to keep the child, she is forced to terminate it?

                      Wow, making her a victim twice….once the victim of a pervert, the second time the victim of an idiot.

                      Now that’s messed up.

                    5. You are vile.

                      Bob Schaffer is the only politician I have seen support forced abortions.

                      We are talking about not blaming the victims of a crime.  The Wasilia policy was a throwback to the days when Rape victims were accused of “asking for it.”

          1. The title of Rabbi seems to have come along much later.  The translations of the NT books that use the title of Rabbi are substituting for what is most closely “teacher” in the Greek.

            Also, we play fast and loose with “carpenter.”  Probably “handyman” would be more appropriate.  Certainly working with wood would have been a large part of his income, but also other things.  A village the size of Galilee in those days could not have supported a plethora of trades.  

            There is no such thing as a perfect translation! (And Jesus didn’t speak 17th C. English!)

    2. and showing what an idiot you are.

      To ridicule a community organizer, those who fight for their community in need, is to ridicule America, apple pie and everything that is good in this country.

      To support a pathological liar who tried to ban books, is well, very telling of your own character.  

        1. And Sarah Palin believes these people didn’t have responsibilities.  You know, the kind of responsibilities in a town of 8K that require you to hire a city manager.

    1. “Abortion:  Women can never truly be liberated until they have had an abortion. ”

      That has got to be the most inane statement I have ever heard in my life.  

      So based on your logic the only way for a woman to liberate herself is to terminate a pregancy?????

      What the hell kind of thinking is that?

  7. This persons only contact with the world is this blog – if we don’t respond, he/she/it will be forced to blog to their self and implode.

    I have to admit it is so easy to get trapped by stupidity. LOL!!!

    1. put it best yesterday when he said that one of us should refute the lie, and then not respond to it anymore.

      Getting bogged down with her is not going to help anyone, and it makes the site suck.

      1. No Nancy L Baldwin registered to vote in CO, two Nancy Baldwins, both GOP registered.  Trolls should be shunned, when the sun rises they turn to stone.  

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