It’s Joe Biden

from ABC News

The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.

It is amazing that they were able to keep it confidential this long. But I guess the secret service does need to move before the announcement.

ps – and Matt Drudge once again is full of **it

83 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Skyler says:

    Any sort of confirmation?

  2. Jambalaya says:

    ….if no one else knew he was the VP nominee?  

  3. Go Blue says:

    on how bug-zapper of the intertubes is wrong so often yet so many return to his website for information.

    Jake Tapper and ABC seems to have the inside scoop here. Bayh is still in DC while Kaine is already in Denver. Joe’s flying to Springfield!  

  4. sjintheknow says:

    I understand that Biden has enough bad stuff in the closet to pull out for the Republicans to play off of for the next few months.

    I also hear that Biden is shoot from the hip type guy.  Not good for a National Campaign.

    This is going to be interesting!

  5. DavidThi808 says:

    Ok, on the surface this is Obama bringing in someone with boatloads of experience to answer the inexperienced charge leveled against him. And it does do that – and on foreign affairs which has become important recently with Russia as well as Afghanistan heating up.

    But I think there is a subconcious part that is even bigger. America is ready to elect a black man as president. But, at the same time, many many people are unsure of exactly what it means. And that makes people uneasy.

    Joe Biden is white male establishment. Possibly the most establishment politician in Washington. More so than even John McCain.

    When people see the two of them together it will go a long way toward quieting the discomfort people have over what it means to elect someone different when his running mate is the epitome of the establishment.

  6. Disinterested17 says:

    Lame pick.  I expected them to at least go outside the Senate.  Those guys think they are the only important people in the world, while the rest of the world thinks the senate is an old fogey farm of blow hards.

    • Go Blue says:

      McCain has been in that old fogey farm for almost three decades now.  

      • RedGreen says:

        McCain has been in Congress for 26 years, but only in the Senate since his ambition took over in 1986. It’s true he’s been warming that seat (and making a name for himself on the Sunday shows) for 22 years, but he’s got a long career ahead in the Senate before he reaches three decades.

      • Disinterested17 says:

        I’m well aware McCain is a Senator.  He a lame candidate and an old fogey.  Why is it everytime I say I don’t like Obama, everyone has to assume I’m a McCain guy?  

        What’s wrong with a guy calling it like it is?  Neither Obama or McCain are remotely good candidates in my opinion.  They are not the best two people in this country, not by a country mile.  

        • redstateblues says:

          to pay attention to what you’re saying, but I’m just too disinterested.

          • Disinterested17 says:

            Is my posting name not okay with you?  

            I’m disinterested in Rs and Ds and all the politically poisonous reindeer games they engage in.  I’m disinterested in the current cycle we are in where every single commercial on my tv is Udall, Schaffer, Obama and McCain in 30 second sound bites, rather than substantive debate.

            And I hate to break it to you, but I’m more the norm than not.  This site is an echo chamber of liberalism, which I find amusing so I post here from time to time to rib folks.  

            It’s the fact that most here hate my comments that amuses me so much, as I bring very much an unaffiliated view to the table that does exist out there in the mainstream where Rs and Ds choose not to look.  I suppose the parties ignore the non-party voters at their peril.  Carry on…

            • redstateblues says:

              unaffiliated. You’re just a naysayer. All I have ever heard you do is complain about the two-party system. Why don’t you write a diary explaining your ideas instead of spitting your tripe into this “liberal echo chamber”. Which, by the way, is read frequently by both sides of the aisle.

    • RedGreen says:

      If only John McCain would finally retire from the Senate. Ted Stevens is on his way out, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms have passed. Only McCain and Robert Byrd fit your description.

  7. Laughing Boy says:

    Thank you Senator Obama.  This will be a rich season…

  8. sxp151 says:

    despite the media announcements.

    And although I don’t mind Biden (my wife loves him, ever since his response to the gun psycho in that debate), I still have this idea it might be the best fake-out of all time.

    Biden’s already told people, “I’m not the guy.” Now that everyone’s reporting that he’s the guy, the funniest thing I can imagine is the text message saying, “Yeah, just kidding. It’s Sebelius.”

    Of course, that would mean Obama would never get another positive news story for the rest of the campaign, but it would be almost as brilliantly funny as this.

  9. Thorntondem says:

    Solid, smart choice. Bring’s foriegn policy experience and gives older, moderate and conservative dems the ok to vote for Obama. UNF voters will like Biden’s style also. Has the reputation of telling the way it is.

  10. dwyer says:

    I have been up since 4AM. I didn’t sign up for text msg…hell, I can’t even get the voice msg off my cell. . but I did sign up for the email from Obama.

    It is almost 6AM and no email……first, no secret password from ColoradoPOls, then no secret handshake from the commie pinko cabal doing most of the posting here  …and now no email…

    I may get out of politics, all together.

  11. Laughing Boy says:

    Link

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    Joe Biden

    by kos

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 08:04:49 AM PDT

    Really, if we live in a just world, this will be the end of Joe Biden’s political career. On Barack Obama:

       “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    “Articulate”. “Mainstream”. “Bright and clean”.

    It’s clear his career has dragged on one election cycle too many.

    • parsingreality says:

      Until January 20th, 2017.

      OTOH, he might himself recognize his age limitations before 2012. By that, I mean anything from time to spend more time with family, to political perceptions.  

    • He does “shoot from the lip” occasionally, and when he goes off on gaffes, it seems like his childhood upbringing comes back to haunt him.

      Like Sen. Byrd using the “N” word even though he’s definitely come around on civil rights issues, Biden’s more subtle racially tinged remarks are what seems to catch him.

      In addition to the example you note, Biden’s also been “credited” with a gaffe against Indian immigrants.  But he’s always on the right side of civil rights issues when voting…

      BTW, for those of you with an insatiable need to know:

      The Fix: The Case Against Joe Biden

      The Fix: The Case For Joe Biden

  12. In addition to the Fix articles I linked above (which I think are great reading…), here are some thoughts on Biden…

    Biden won’t thrill the anti-corporate activists that trend toward the Green Party.  As a representative of the State of Delaware, Biden has been a supporter of corporate rights – especially banks – for a long time.

    He voted for the Iraq war, but he’s also been a great voice on withdrawal, on veteran’s issues, and on open and honest reporting of the reality of the war.

    While he’s verbose and makes occasional gaffes, he seems to know it as a weakness and has been known to spend effort controlling it.  The message discipline surrounding this VP choice I think shows this.

    Also, he seems to have gotten past the part of his ego that many Presidential hopefuls have; he is content to spend the rest of his life in whatever position he’s called to serve, be it Senate or VP.  He’s apparently quite self-deprecating and is still in touch with the average voter, which will enforce the ticket especially if Romney is McCain’s choice.

    He’s a solid choice, IMHO.

  13. DrewKerin says:

    He’s a solid choice, IMHO.

    by: Phoenix Rising @ Sat Aug 23, 2008

    Of all the Democrats, who were running back in January, he was my favorite (for altruistic reasons.)

    But his pick raises two concerns:

    1) Was the choice a let down (particularly to young voters) after all the ridiculous hype?  I just can’t see many young Obama supporters checking their text messages and jumping up and down shouting, “Yes!  He picked a 65 year old white guy!  Right on!”

    2)  Will Biden outshine Obama on the issues?  Face it… when you compare the resumes and accomplishments of both senators, exactly where does Obama come out better than Biden?  

    • 1) I think there were a lot of folks bound to be disappointed by just about any choice.  The Hillary supporters are disappointed it isn’t her.  The “change” activists wanted a Webb, or Schweitzer, or…  Biden is solid and relatively inoffensive, and a good counter-balance to a ticket that could have been too “young”.

      2) Biden’s experience will outshine Obama’s in at least some areas, but Obama is no slouch when presenting his case, and this combined with his charisma will keep Biden’s image at the correct level.

    • Ralphie says:

      is not afraid to surround him/herself with the best people.

    • cologeek says:

      Is there anyone on the Democratic side who would have been a realistic pick for the VP whose resume would not exceed Obama’s by several pages?

      Biden is a good pick, solid resume and his personality won’t overshadow Obama’s.  

      Sorry HRC supporters, she didn’t get the 3am call.

    • Mr. Toodles says:

      Does that count as young?

      1) I did not sign up for text messages, but I think the idea was great. I live and die by my cell phone and text messages so utilizing it to gain numbers was brilliant. As far as young people, I do not think it really mattered who he picked. They are excited by Obama. I think it makes them feel included, and they received the info outside of mainstream means. The fact that it was an “old white guy!” is not as important as finding out via text.

      2) I like PR’s answer, but here is what I think: Obama was going to pick someone that outshined on some level. There was no getting around it, but picking someone that is more of a public servant (in my opinion) than a superstar lets Obama retain the spotlight, but shores up a weakness. Biden will be a great advisor, but not the person in control or the person trying to control (which is how I perceive Cheney).  

  14. divad says:

    …just suggested that they think McPOW would pick Bill Owens so he could carry Colorado.

    I chuckled.

  15. sxp151 says:

    but seeing his speech in Springfield erased them. I’m really glad we have this guy on the ticket.  

  16. sjintheknow says:

    Biden’s Record

    Biden on immigration:

    * FactCheck: 67% of illegal aliens speak Spanish; not 40%. (Dec 2007)

    * H1-B visas only for jobs Americans can’t do. (Dec 2007)

    * Americans will do any job if you pay them properly. (Dec 2007)

    * Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007)

    * Sanctuary cities exist because feds can’t enforce their laws. (Sep 2007)

    * It’s impractical to deport 14 million illegal immigrants. (Jun 2007)

    * Voted for border fence, but to tackle drug trafficking. (Jun 2007)

    * Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared “sanctuary cities”. (Mar 2008)

    * Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)

    * Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)

    * Voted YES on eliminating the “Y” nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)

    * Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)

    * Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)

    * Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)

    * Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)

    * Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)

    * Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)

    * Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

    * Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

    Biden on homeland security:

    * Cut $350B in military programs, from Star Wars to F-22’s. (Dec 2007)

    * Universal national service, in military or Peace Corps. (Dec 2007)

    * Talks about nations acquiring uranium are more complicated. (Oct 2007)

    * Commitment to never use torture; no part of our policy, ever. (Sep 2007)

    * Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is antiquated & unworkable. (Aug 2007)

    * Missile defense is perfect metaphor for neo-isolationism. (Jul 2007)

    * Urged Pres. Bush to return to Washington on 9/11. (Jul 2007)

    * Voted NO on cutting $221M in benefits to Filipinos who served in WWII US Army. (Apr 2008)

    * Voted YES on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls. (Feb 2008)

    * Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)

    * Voted YES on limiting soldiers’ deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)

    * Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)

    * Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)

    * Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)

    * Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)

    * Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act’s wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)

    * Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)

    * Voted YES on restoring $565M for states’ and ports’ first responders. (Mar 2005)

    * Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)

    * Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)

    * Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)

    * Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)

    * Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)

    * Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)

    * Voted YES on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)

    * Voted YES on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)

    Biden on gun control:

    * Keep assault weapons ban; close gun show loophole. (Apr 2007)

    * Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

    * Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)

    * Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)

    * Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)

    * Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)

    * Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)

    * Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)

    Biden on healthcare:

    # Modernize, simplify & expand health insurance. (Nov 2007)

    # Help medical students find ways to finance their tuition. (Oct 2007)

    # Start paying for universal coverage with $100B in redundancy. (Sep 2007)

    # Rethink healthcare by focusing on prevention. (Sep 2007)

    # Start with catastrophic insurance and insuring all kids. (Aug 2007)

    # Got tested for AIDS after blood transfusion; no shame in it. (Jun 2007)

    # Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. (Mar 2008)

    # Voted NO on allowing tribal Indians to opt out of federal healthcare. (Feb 2008)

    Biden on free trade:

    * No to tariffs; just enforce the law. (Dec 2007)

    * Built environmental and labor standards in trade agreements. (Dec 2007)

    * Toughest choice: rationalizing competition & trade policy. (Dec 2007)

    * Opposes fast-track to protect labor rights. (Nov 2007)

    * Shut down any imports of toys from China. (Oct 2007)

    * President’s job is to create jobs, not to export jobs. (Aug 2007)

    * No trade agreements without workers’ & environmental rights. (Jul 2007)

    * Voted NO on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)

    * Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)

    * Voted NO on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)

    * Voted NO on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)

    * Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)

    * Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)

    * Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)

    * Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)

    * Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)

    * Voted YES on renewing ‘fast track’ presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)

    * Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)

    * Rated 42% by CATO, indicating a mixed record on trade issues. (Dec 2002\

    Biden on foreign policy:

    * Doctrine of crisis prevention, not preemption. (Dec 2007)

    * Hold China accountable; it’s capitulation, not competition. (Dec 2007)

    * Move from a Musharraf policy to a Pakistan policy. (Nov 2007)

    * Pakistani elections will be a sham if emergency not lifted. (Nov 2007)

    * Pakistan is potentially most dangerous country in the world. (Aug 2007)

    * China holds the mortgage on our house, to pay for war. (Aug 2007)

    * American troops on the ground in Darfur now. (Jul 2007)

    * US troops on ground in Sudan to end Darfur carnage. (Jun 2007)

    * Biggest threat to US is from North Korea, Iran, & Russia. (Apr 2007)

    * Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)

    * Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)

    * Voted NO on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)

    * Voted NO on limiting the President’s power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)

    * Voted NO on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)

    * Voted YES on $17.9 billion to IMF. (Mar 1998)

    * Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)

    * Voted YES on ending Vietnam embargo. (Jan 1994)

    * Multi-year commitment to Africa for food & medicine. (Apr 2001)

    * Impose sanctions and an import ban on Burma. (Oct 2007)

    * Acknowledge the Armenian Genocide of the early 1900s. (Mar 2007)

    * Urge Venezuela to re-open dissident radio & TV stations. (May 2007)

    Biden on education:

    # Hire more teachers and pay them for smaller classes. (Dec 2007)

    # Laid out a $30 billion plan over five years for education. (Nov 2007)

    # For longer school day & school year, & 16-year minimum. (Oct 2007)

    # $3000 tax credit for college for anyone earning under $150K. (Sep 2007)

    # There needs to be performance-based pay for teachers. (Aug 2007)

    # Teach sex ed in schools; including prevention methods. (Aug 200

    # Sent kids to private school after death of their mother. (Jul 2007)

    Biden on energy/oil:

    * The energy challenge take sacrifice and is a moral crusade. (Dec 2007)

    * FactCheck: Oil did not jump $18/bbl due to Iran Resolution. (Dec 2007)

    * Supports cap-and-trade for greenhouse gases. (Nov 2007)

    * Provide for emergency fuel assistance immediately. (Oct 2007)

    * Make every automobile sold be a flex-fuel automobile. (Apr 2007)

    * Voted YES on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (Jun 2008)

    * Voted YES on addressing CO2 emissions without considering India & China. (May 2008)

    * Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)

    * Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)

    * Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska’s ANWR. (Nov 2005)

    * Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)

    * Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)

    * Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)

    * Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)

    * Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)

    * Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)

    * Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)

    * Voted NO on terminating CAF

    Voted NO on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)

    * Voted NO on ending discussion of CAFE fuel efficiency standards. (Sep 1999)

    * Voted NO on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)

    * Voted NO on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)

    * Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)

    * Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)

    * Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)

    * Sponsored bill raising CAFE by a 4% per year until 2018. (Jul 2006)

    * Rated 83% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)

    * Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)E standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)

    Biden on crime:

    * Bush is impediment to hate crimes legislation. (Dec 2007)

    * Biden Law of 1994 created several new capital offenses. (Nov 2007)

    * Supports sentencing guidelines to put away violent criminals. (Jul 2007)

    * Authored the Clinton crime bill & 100,000 cops on the street. (Jul 2007)

    * Authored crime bill to put 100,000 cops on street. (Jul 2007)

    * Voted YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)

    * Voted YES on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)

    * Voted NO on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)

    * Voted NO on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)

    * Voted NO on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)

    * Voted NO on repealing federal speed limits. (Jun 1995)

    * Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)

    * Voted NO on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)

    * Rated 71% by CURE, indicating pro-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)

    * More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes. (Apr 2001)

    * Rated 75% by the NCJA, indicating a mixed record on criminal justice. (Dec 2005)

    * Establish an FBI registry of sexual offendors. (Oct 1996)

    Biden on drugs:

    * Took lead on drug policy & narcotics control. (Nov 2007)

    * National ban on smoking would reduce chronic illnesses. (Sep 2007)

    * Absolutely do not lower drinking age from 21. (Sep 2007)

    * FactCheck: 40,000 babies with alcohol syndrome, not 300,000. (Sep 2007)

    * Increase penalties for dealing drugs near schools. (Sep 2007)

    * Most violent crime is related to drugs. (Jul 2007)

    * Divert drug offenders out of prison system. (Jun 2007)

    * Created nation’s Drug Czar Office & drug courts. (Dec 2006)

    * Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)

    * Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)

    8/23/2008 6:39 AM PDT on 9news.com

    Biden on Abortion:

    # No public funding for abortion; it imposes a view. (Apr 2007)

    # Supports partial-birth abortion ban, but not undoing Roe. (Apr 2007)

    # Accepts Catholic church view that life begins at conception. (Apr 2007)

    # Nominees should agree on constitutional right to privacy. (Apr 2007)

    # Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)

    # Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)

    Biden on the economy:

    * Balancing budget is about priorities; GOP made wrong choices. (Dec 2007)

    * Save Pentagon spending by getting the troops out of Iraq. (Dec 2007)

    * More transparency for hedge funds and private equity funds. (Aug 2007)

    * Invest in new programs by ending war & eliminating tax cuts. (Apr 2007)

    * Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)

    * Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)

    * Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)

    * Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)

    Biden on civil rights:

    # Nobody asks if you’re gay in a foxhole. (Jun 2007)

    # Civil unions ok; gay marriage is probably inevitable. (Apr 2007)

    # Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)

    # Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

    # Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)

    # Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)

  17. Canines says:

    for a government post here in the US, as Biden did, is an a-hole, in my mind.

    But let the chips fall where they may.  

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