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August 20, 2008 04:32 PM UTC

And liquor stores are now open on Sundays

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  • by: DavidThi808

Well yesterday we discussed FastTracks (or half discussed it, the other half of the comments were all over the place). So today let’s look at the drinking age.

Should we lower the drinking age to 18? The present approach definitely is not working, but I’m not sure that lowering the age will make things better.

More & a poll below the fold.

from CNN we have:

College presidents from about 100 of the nation’s best-known universities, including Duke, Dartmouth and Ohio State, are calling on lawmakers to consider lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18, saying current laws actually encourage dangerous binge drinking on campus.



Research has found more than 40 percent of college students reported at least one symptom of alcohol abuse or dependence. One study has estimated more than 500,000 full-time students at four-year colleges suffer injuries each year related in some way to drinking, and about 1,700 die in such accidents.

and from the Boulder Daily Camera we have:

A growing number of students in the Boulder Valley School District are reporting having already tried alcohol, drugs and sex by the time they start high school.

Results from a 2007 survey, made public Tuesday, show that 16.7 percent of freshmen in Boulder Valley said they binge drink, up from 11.5 percent in 2005.

Maybe we should consider going back to 3.2 beer and wine for 18-20, give them something to start on where the alcohol content is lower and so it takes a lot more effort to get drunk.

Just 18+ is not enough, there is major drinking going on at the High School level and that needs to be addressed too.

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20 thoughts on “And liquor stores are now open on Sundays

    1. If you’re old enough to fight and die for your country, you’re old enough to have a shot. Since there’s no draft, then a military ID would be a good way of administering that.

    2. Being in the military and serving the country might be a good metric for some degree of responsibility.  But I think it would be good to have some other route of service to allowing alcohol consumption from age 18-21.  Perhaps some Colorado state service organization that would get the person the right to drink after a year if the person has reached the age of 18.

      Matthew

      1. …the laws you reference govern driving, not alcohol.  And there is no law banning the addiction to alcohol that I know of.  Unless you count the asinine anti-suicide provision, I guess.

  1. I talked to a west slope sheriff a couple of years ago who has the same idea. He said that when 3.2 because just as illegal as vodka, kids started drinking vodka. He’s all for some 3.2 leniency, even if it’s not totally legalized– it could be just a ticket citation rather than a criminal act that causes kids to lose their drivers licenses and go to AA meetings and diversion programs and everything else.

    1. The way they step it up with just family, then just 1 friend, then multiple. It means they all drive seperately to soccer practice but it does insure they have a lot of driving time before they are driving with a bunch of friends which is the really dangerous situation.

      It is scary when they start to drive (my youngest got her license 5 days ago) but if they started at 25, there’s still the issue that when someone is new to driving the accident rate goes up.

      One thing that might be a good addition, pushing the driving with 1 friend, and the driving with multiple friends out an additional 6 months – for 8:00pm and later.

  2. Sure there are kids in High School that drink – there were kids in High School that drank when I was a in High School in the late 80s.  At least there parents can be involved and address the issue.  When kids head off to college Mom and Dad aren’t there to stop them.  That coupled with the fact that it’s more exciting to drink when it’s illegal is causing the problem.  Even when I was in college, I saw many kids that only drank excessivly until they turned 21 – then it wasn’t fun anymore.

    The only issue I have with lowering the drinking age is drunk driving.  Many 18 year olds aren’t responsible enough to make a decision about getting behind the wheel (many older people aren’t either, but younger can’t help).  The best thing about this is that many college kids don’t drive that much while they are at school, so it may be a non-issue.

  3. You know that college age people have access to alcohol pretty much whenever they want, so it is stupid to criminalize it.

    We should at least permit wine and beer at 18. Sure you can get just as wasted, but not quite as fast.  

  4. I started when I turned 16–way back in the mid 70’s.  There really wasn’t much else to do where I lived.  

    And, as Bob99 said, there is a certain thrill that goes along with underage drinking–the whole breaking the law thing.  

    Europeans start their kids drinking at a young age and they learn to drink responsibly–not like the kids here who think drinking is all about who can consume the most and then get behind the wheel.

    1. that if kids are taught to drink responsibly earlier in life, it removes the “forbidden fruit” appeal and binge/reckless drinking could be reduced.

      But how do we reprogram the current generation?

      Lowering the drinking age alone could be counter productive if there isn’t a strong educational component to all of this.

      I think it would be hard to undo the mindset of the “only drink to get wasted drunk” crowd.

      1. I started drinking with my parents.  They felt it an important part of my education that I experience alcohol first hand in controlled environments as well as taking part in the celebration of events with a glass of wine or champagne.  

        I think more parents need to know that it is legal to do this in the state of Colorado.  In the presence of parents and with the permission of parents on private property a minor is allowed to possess and consume alcohol.  And that would be one component of education.

        The second might be, with a legalization of 3.2 pre-mixed or fermented drinks, is to still have it be illegal to be legally drunk (0.10?, 0.08?, more?, less?) and under 21 so that a wild drunken college party can be shut down.  The message being, “It is okay to drink, but not okay to be falling down drunk.”

        Matthew

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