Tuesday Open Thread

“Electioneering and chewing gum are the best examples of motion without progress.”


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  1. Sir Robin says:

    “Tom Golisano, the Rochester billionaire and registered Republican, donated $1 million on Friday to the host committee of the Democratic Party’s convention in Denver, making him one of the largest donors to the planning efforts surrounding the expected coronation of Barack Obama as the party’s nominee next week.

    For his $1 million, Mr. Golisano gets a skybox at Invesco Field, where Mr. Obama will deliver his acceptance speech, and 50 additional tickets.

    “He could just as easily have supported a Republican,” said Steve Pigeon, a longtime adviser to Mr. Golisano and co-chairman of Responsible New York. “It’s not a matter of party, it’s a matter of ideals and policy.” (emphasis mine)”

    h/t NYT

    • parsingreality says:

      ….weith the implications.

      He has, in effect, given permission for other rich Republicans to donate to the party and hence indirectly, Obama.  

    • Golisano is a semi-perennial gubernatorial candidate in New York, and he’s the founder of the Independence Party of New York (which in turn founded the Independence Party of America).  The Independence Party of New York has endorsed candidates ranging from Libertarians to Greens; it’s goal is merely to involve independent voters.

      I wouldn’t call Golisano a typical Republican, but having him on the Dem side of the fence this election is a good sign…

  2. parsingreality says:

    My old body is still aching from the single handed hurricane prep I’ve been doing.

    Now I have to put everything back!

    Oh well, counting my blessings.

    • ThillyWabbit says:

      I was in Homestead the week after Andrew. It was the worst thing I have ever seen in my life.

      • parsingreality says:

        In the belly of the beast.

        Almost no damage to the house.  They had a top notch roof put on a year or two prior.  They lost one or two shingles.  The house was block, but the windows were unprotected and yet nothing happened.  He had a metal shed that he hoped would fly away, it didn’t.

        On a whim I called him when I knew the storm was there.  I couldn’t believe it, I got through!  That’s what underground utilities can do.  I could hear the storm moaning and things banging.  Scary just on the other end of the phone line.

        Sadly, that storm started a sequence of events that eventually led to the breakup of his marriage and loss of his law business.  

        • ThillyWabbit says:

          It’s amazing his place held together.

          My grandparents’ house was wiped off the map by Camille, but they had retreated to Huntsville so they were OK. In the 80s they had a fantastic new house built out of a concrete made from volcanic ash. The thing was a bunker. But the builder fucked up the plumbing and after five burst pipes destroying all their worldly belongings five times and the builder going belly up the insurance company finally bought them out and they moved to another neighborhood. Their new house was wiped off the map by a storm, but it was after they were both dead and gone. My uncle who lived three houses down in an identical house had his rose bushes squashed by flying debris and that was it.

          Funny thing those storms.

  3. ModerateGal says:

    A security guard was on duty and I asked if that was because it was so busy in the store. The employees said all of the Verizon stores have security guards this week and next because of the DNC.

    Can anyone tell me what in the world Verizon is anticipating?

    • dwyer says:

      The first is that police departments may be short staffed because of the DNC security, etc, requirements and response time to any 911 call, all over the metro area, may be longer….so stores have been advised, perhaps by their own insurance companies, to have added security….makes sense and is prudent..

      The second is that back in the day, the Defense Department used to issue an annual list of which cities would be top targets for Soviet missiles.  When the list came out, cities on the low end of the list did not breathe a sigh of relief…rather they complained. They were certainly important enough to be in the top ten targets….  I think there is something like that going on in metro Denver…..Everybody has to be important enough to be taking precautions, or closing down, or something…

      The hype is fun…..unless public  safety is compromised by

      creating an atmosphere of public panic…thank you boyles/caplis….who are peeing their pants with excitement…

  4. Sir Robin says:

    Ablog readers Kathy and Dennis write that McCain asked if they could get “back” to the Supreme Court issue when it hadn’t come up yet. It had, however, for Obama. Either McCain was confused, or he had been told the Supreme Court was one of the questions and couldn’t remember if it had come up yet. Here’s the transcript:

    WARREN: Let’s deal with abortion. I, as a pastor, have to deal with this all the time, every different angle, every different pain, all of the decisions and all of that. Forty million abortions since Roe v. Wade. Some people, people who believe that life begins at conception, believe that’s a holocaust for many people. What point is a baby entitled to human rights?

    MCCAIN: At the moment of conception. (APPLAUSE). I have a 25- year pro-life record in the Congress, in the Senate. And as president of the United States, I will be a pro-life president. And this presidency will have pro-life policies. That’s my commitment. That’s my commitment to you.

    WARREN: OK, we don’t have to beleaguer on that one. Define marriage.

    MCCAIN: A union — a union between man and woman, between one man and one woman. That’s my definition of marriage.

    Could I — are we going to get back to the importance of Supreme Court Justices or should I mention —

    WARREN: We will get to that.

    MCCAIN: OK. All right. OK.

    WARREN: You’re jumping ahead…Yes he is. But the only way to jump ahead is to know what’s ahead. Then again, John McCain was a POW, so how dare we suspect him of cheating. Oh that’s right, he cheated on his wife. But I’m sure he wouldn’t cheat on a debate question. Wife, sure. Debate question? For McCain, that would be immoral.

    h/t Americablog

    • ajb says:

      If you read McCain’s denial that he cheated, it’s all very carefully parsed. All he denies is listening to the Obama interview on the way to the church (he was late). He never denied having prior knowledge of the questions.

      On the other hand, what questions would you expect in an evangelical church?

      BTW, has he weighed in on CO’s “eggs are people, too” ammendment? It sounds like he favors it.

  5. If you have a ticket to the Thursday session of the Convention, your evening just got better!

    The DNCC has just announced that Al Gore will be speaking at Invesco Field.  W00t!

  6. DrewKerin says:

    From today’s Rocky Mountain News

    Dem’s ID incongruity

    Let me get this straight: In order to score a ticket to the Obama Invesco Field lovefest you must produce a valid photo identification.  However, Deomocrats and the Democratic Party both nationally and here in Colorado have vigorously opposed the idea of producing a photo ID or any ID in order to be able to vote.  I wonder…

    Cliff Dodge, Denver

    What happen to the argument that it was too much of a burden for the poor and elderly to get such photo ID’s?  The irony is so rich!

    Maybe the DNC will be giving the poor and elderly free tickets to the zoo or movies that day?

    • It’s Secret Service calling the security shots.

      It’s a good cheap dig, but it’s misguided.

      • redstateblues says:

        Drew, does that mean you want to undermine the Secret Service? Or are you just trying to make one of those insulting comments you say you never make?

        • DrewKerin says:

          There is a big difference!  

          This does sound like a prudent Secret Service requirement. But it also resurrects a point I made here three months ago:  

          I’ve always been puzzled why Democrats are opposed to this measure.  Surely, their efforts would be better spent getting the elderly and poor the proper photo ID.  This would benefit these constituencies well beyond Election Day.  

          DrewKerin @ Thu May 08, 2008

          Like it or not, the failure of not doing so now guarantees a certain number of poor and elderly have no chance of being able to attend.


    • One Queer Dude says:

         Don’t think that they’ll let you in to the Speech by just showing your Matricula card at the gate!  Best bring a photo I.D.

    • Jambalaya says:

      ….voting for your local dog-catcher and coming within gun-sights of the next president should require exactly the same level of security!  Thanks for pointing this out.

      • DrewKerin says:

        than “the local dog catcher.”  (Does any jurisdiction actually vote for the dog catcher anymore?)

        Trivializing what is at stake in elections hardly bolsters your point. Do you really think someone intent on “coming within gun-sight of the next president” is going to be deterred because he had to show his driver’s license?  I don’t think any potential assassin has any delusions about being able to walk away from the scene.  

  7. DavidThi808 says:

    Just how stupid are the voting officials in Ohio? Dumber than you thought – from TPM

    Poll workers will not be allowed to take voting machines home for safekeeping in the days before the November presidential election because the practice known as “sleepovers” is an unacceptable security risk, the state elections chief said Tuesday.

    Security risk??? Gee, you think…

    • Apparently this is considered somehow “safe” (as in “some strange new definition of the word ‘safe’ I wasn’t previously aware of…”) in districts throughout the country.

      San Diego had a big brouhaha about this in 2006, IIRC.  Like so many “good” ideas that seem to be springing up like dandelions around election practice lately, it was designed to minimize costs and speed setup of the machines on election day with apparently little thought to security.

  8. DavidThi808 says:

    from Editor & Publisher

    The results of the new Pew Survey on News Consumption (taken every two years and released this afternoon) suggest that viewers of the “fake news” programs “The Daily Show”and “The Colbert Report” are more knowledgeable about current events (as judged by three test questions) than watchers of “real” cable news shows hosted by Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly and Larry King, among others — as well as average consumers of NBC, ABC, Fox News, CNN, C-SPAN and daily newspapers.

    And surprisingly almost tied for last place are viewers of CBS News and the National Enquirer. I’m surprised – I didn’t think CBS viewers would do that well.

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