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September 28, 2005 08:00 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  1. GOP activists unimpressed with tax measures
    The Daily Sentinel

    Mesa County Republicans remain unconvinced that two tax measures on the November ballot should be approved, judging by a straw poll of activists.

    The party?s county central committee voted 72-12 against Referendums C and D at a meeting Saturday, said party Chairwoman Lois Dunn. The straw poll was taken at a meeting of party members in which a new party treasurer, Duncan McArthur, was elected.

    ?In my conversations with Republicans and John Q. Citizens, I?m not seeing a lot of support for either referendum,? said state Rep. Josh Penry, R-Grand Junction.

    Opposition to the referendums puts the Mesa County Republicans at odds with Republican Gov. Bill Owens and state Sen. Ron Teck, R-Grand Junction, who said his vote was among the dozen in favor of the measures.

    A common thread among opponents, Teck said, was recognition that failure of the referendums would set off a round of deep budget cuts, ?but that was going to have to happen before we have a dialogue on what government should spend money on.?

    Opponents of the measures also were irritated with the latest round of television ads decrying opposition claims as lies, Penry said.

    ?There?s a hint of desperation there,? he said.

    Mesa County Commissioner Janet Rowland said she had been approached by people who aren?t normally politically active ?to say thank you for taking a stand against C and explaining it.

    ?These are people acknowledge the state has problems, but they?re seeing a solution that could actually make the situation worse.?

    Activists also wanted to see the Legislature address the financial pressures of Amendment 23, Penry said.

    Matt Smith, a former state representative who will run against Penry in next year?s GOP primary to replace the term-limited Teck, said a common thread among Republicans was that ?there were too many issues contained in the whole package.?

    The measures promise spending on highways, schools, higher education, pension funds and a lawsuit, meaning there?s something for everyone to criticize, Smith said. ?It?s just too much.?

    Amendment 23 requires state funding for public schools to rise at the rate of inflation plus 1 percent annually through 2011.

    Higher education will suffer heavily if C and D fail, Teck said, and that could threaten economic recovery.

    ?Colorado has been a good place to move, but if Colorado doesn?t have an available work force, businesses are going to have to go where they can find it,? he said.

    Failure of the measures, Teck said, could put the state in a ?20-year downturn and recovery period.?

    Republicans still constitute the largest political group in the county, according to the county clerk?s office.

    Voter registration rolls contain 32,259 active Republicans, 20,224 unaffiliated voters and 15,724 Democrats.

  2. “politicalcompass.org” would have been more properly named, “diecapitalistpig.org” .  What a bunch of Euro/socialist crap.  It would be slightly humorous if so many fools didn’t take this stuff seriously.  No wonder the EU is crumbling.

  3. PS61,

    Awww, what happened?  Did the test peg you as a Democrat?

    Seriously, I’m not seeing the bias or “Euro/socialist crap” you mention at politicalcompass.org.  Care to explain?

  4. So did ex-FEMA director Brown make the investigating committee look and sound like thoughtful, angry investigators looking for solutions or grandstanding, emotional blowhards striving for sound bites?

  5. Tom DeLay has been indicted on a count of “criminal conspiracy” in court Travis County, TX.  He will have to step down as Majority Leader while he and at least two of his staff are charged.

    In other news, a tornado dropped a Kansas farmhouse onto the Wicked Witch of the West.  And there was much rejoicing.

    Frist, DeLay, Caldara, Holtzman…anyone seeing a pattern here?

  6. I doubt you will care Donald and I am sure you will be the same Republican apologist you always are but here is the testimony from yesterday morning.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/27/national/nationalspecial/27text-brown.html?pagewanted=all

      BUYER: So I?d like to know why did the president?s federal emergency assistance declaration of August 27th not include the parishes of Orleans, Jefferson and Plaquemines?

      BROWN: ?[I]f a governor does not request a particular county or a particular parish, that?s not included in the request.

      BUYER: All right.

      Orleans Parish is New Orleans. I was listening to my colleague, Mr. Jefferson?s, questions about when they talked about, you know, they asked for this assistance for three days and then president responded the very next day, not the day that it was made ? the request ? but the governor of Louisiana actually excluded New Orleans from the president?s federal emergency assistance declaration?

      BROWN: Again, Congressman, we looked at the request.The governors make the request by?

      BUYER: Let me ask this. Since you went through the exercise in Pam, was that not shocking to you that the governor would excluded New Orleans from the declaration?

      BROWN: Yes.

      BUYER: When that request came in excluding these three parishes, did you question it?

      BROWN: We questioned it. But I made the decision that we were going to go ahead and move assets in regardless because we have the ability to add those parishes?

    In fact Blanco requested aid to all the southeastern parishes on 8-27.

    http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

    I thought it was asprin factories, get your story straight or was it when he was offered bin laden by the Sudan, keep the lies coming guys.  Nothing like pointing to a president that has been out office for five years to explain why Bush, our current president, still can’t find bin laden.

  7. Donald,

    Ex-FEMA director Brown did lie yesterday about not having received proper requests from Blanco.

    But let’s pretend he was an upstanding citizen and had been truthful.  Within days after he resigned, he was rehired by FEMA as a consultant and given initial duties of investigating the agency’s failures, specifically giving yesterday’s testimony.  This is in addition to the severance package he got from FEMA.  The word “irony” fails to describe it adequately.

    Doesn’t the fact that your tax dollars are paying Mike Brown specifically to blame others for FEMA’s failures strike you as unjust?  Unethical?  Rotten?  He’s one of the more rotten apples in a big rotten basket, so why bother slamming those who criticize him?

  8. Marshall,

    My, mistake, it may have been an aspirin factory Clinton bombed and killed innocent people. 

    The reason we still point to Clinton is because of how the liberals defended him so vehemently no matter what he did or how wrong it was.  Now the coin has flipped and you criticize Bush for the same things that you would have defended Clinton for. 

    The Liberal Left’s hatred is so strong.

  9. Bush is president RIGHT NOW, this isn’t a difficult concept.

    If you want to start placing blame on previous administrations why stop with Clinton, lets go all the way back to Bush 41 and Reagan that originally armed bin laden.

  10. I’ve read two accounts that the factory Clinton bombed was a legitimate target(Stephen Coll Ghost Wars and Clarke’s Against All Enemies).  Where does the story that it was an aspirin factory come from? I’ve heard it repeated as the truth many times, but who got that version started?

    I’m surprised nobody took the time to take the politicalcompass.org assessment.  I thought it was a hoot and great way to look at the political landscape.  Much more interesting that red/blue, left/right, etc.

  11. Economic Left/Right: 2.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.59

    I was a little unsure of what that really meant until I took a look at the world leaders map.

    Guess I am pretty close to Tony Blair…  I can live with that.

  12. I took the political compass. 

    Economic Left/Right: -7.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

    I’m more libertarian and more economically liberal than either Gandhi or the Dalai Lama.

    Suits me.

  13. Okay, I’m bored enough that I took it. 

    Economic Left/Right: -1.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95

    Not quite Ghandi or Mandela, but not quite Bush or Stalin.

    Maybe not as Republican as I thought, heh?

  14. What proof is there that Brown lied about Blanco’s actions? Her word?????

    To me, the liars are Blanco and the mayor, but, again, I have no proof, only Brown’s word. Brown testified under oath, while Blanco refused to respond under oath. Wonder why? Brown’s telling the truth?

    Don

  15. Marshall,

    You continue to miss the point.  I am not placing blame on the previous administration and if you read my posts you would understand that. 

    I am merely using the previous administration’s antics to show how liberals would have defended Clinton no matter what, but when Bush does the same thing the liberals are the first to call for his head.

    I am sorry if you cannot understand, it is really quite simple.

  16. based on the political compass numbers posted (by those willing to do so) I am far and away the leftyist most libertarian person here.

    Lefties – where are you?

    Interestingly, I have been accused (on this blog) in the past of being too republican/conservative.  Just goes to show you that titles and perceptions can be confusing.

  17. Jon must have slept through the 90s where every inch of Arkansas was plowed under looking for dirt on Clinton.

    At least liberals have real grievances against Bush that goes beyond who he decides to get a bj from.

    I could really careless to defend Clinton because he isn’t President RIGHT NOW and as long as Bush is President RIGHT NOW I will continue to make sure the buck stops at his desk.

    Do you need me to send you a Visio diagram Jon?

    Bush -> President
    Clinton -> Not President

    See how that works.  Where is Herb when you need him?

  18. Yup,
    Yes, I guess liberals have real grievances.  They have lost two elections to a man they consider their intellectual inferior, they’ve lost control of congress, they are losing their control of the courts (again due to that dunce from Texas), their national party is fragmented, and the red states outnumber the blue states.  And to top it off, the Soviet Union collapsed, we’re still fighting the war on poverty, and they still believe taxation is the key to prosperity.

  19. OK, I had to do it after reading all of the past blogs.  Economic Left/Right = .88; Social L/A = -0.15.  I’ve always considered myself to be a centrist.  Can you get any more centrist than this?  I only hope the next Supreme Court nominee can match these numbers.

  20. Let’s see, libertarian not too conservative.  Would probably be one of these.

    Knoedler, Penry, Liston, Rose, Dyer, Mitchell, Spence, (just for fun) Hagedorn.

  21. DELJ,

    Brown’s lying is validated by the official State documents that declared the state of emergency and asked the President to do the same.  They’re out there on the Louisiana, FEMA(?), and White House websites.

    Curiously, I’ve heard (but not confirmed) that the President’s declaration excluded the coastal parishes in Louisiana.  (That should also be in the White House website).  That would make Brown a somewhat unlikely victim of the President’s mishandling (how he as FEMA director could have avoided knowing that those parishes were the ones most in need, I have no idea…).

    Secondly, Governor Blanco was in Congress testifying the day after Brown.  Whether she was put under oath or not, I do not know, but she was there.  Perhaps you missed it, since she was polite and was not well-covered in the media.

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