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Feh. Old news.
This whole counter protest was put on by the group Move America Forward. Need I say more? At least Sheehan was original.
You’re kidding me right? Sheehan original? That’s as laughable as it is disingenuous. Sheehan has been receiving high level professional media and protest-organizing advise from the onset of her vigil. And, it seems the height of hypocrisy to be inferring that somehow poor little Sheehan needs a counter protest to better represent her. The fact is, she’s been a media darling from the get-go and they have all salivated over her supposed grass roots vigil protest of Bush and the war. Not once did you see any of the liberal media speak to any parents of soldiers who were killed and are still in support of the war. (And lest you be mistaken, they?re out there?hence this counter protest). Why? Perhaps the media, being overwhelmingly left, oppose the war themselves and see Sheehan as the lone strong warrior to advance their cause. Please, spare us the pleas for more anti-war protesters. They’re being covered ad nausea!
I heard Sheehan was doing a documentary with Michael Moore. If so it is a shame that she is willing to exploit her sons death to such a degree as to work with a propaganda artist to mislead and lie.
It is a bigger shame that Bush put her son in harms way so that he died and can now be exploited by anyone.
As much as I disagree with Ms. Sheehans’s remarks, and how much I find her position to be disgraceful to her son, I do support her right to say it.
I may not always like what she and others say, but I will fight to defend her right to say it.
That’s what soldiers do.
funny one in the Onion this week re: Sheehan
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40764
Don’t you think Cindy Sheehan and Ward Churchill would make a cute couple?
Unlike American soldier, I regard my stretch in uniform as defending the right of patriotic Americans to protest against Cindy Sheehan’s leftish crap. Of course, she has the right to say it. But real Americans have the right to protest against her. She hated this country long before her son’s sacrifice, and even protested the U.S. against against the Taliban! She’s on Osama’s side, people. Real Americans exercise our right to counter her dishonorable activities. As to Cindy and Ward hooking up, it works for me. He has a history of being abusive to women.
Proudveteran- I respect your thoughts up until the point you not so subtly advocated violence against women at the tail end of your post. You’re a disgrace to this country and the uniform you once wore.
Saying that Cindy and Ward deserve each other is a far cry from a generic advocacy of violence against women, Don Misquote. As to wearing a uniform, why do I suspect that you never deigned to do that?
“He has a history of being abusive to women”
what exactly did i miss here?
I guess we all forgot, only the Left has freedom of speech… if your on the Right, your free to be attacked for anything you say.
Proudvet: Doesn’t it piss you off that you had to protect the rights of leftist’s like DQ? It pisses me off. Many of them don’t deserve your protection. I for one appreciate your efforts and am honored that you chose to wear the uniform. God Bless you!
I don’t mind being attacked for what I said, Quimby. Lefties like Don Misquote specialize in attacking people for what they don’t say. I take his silence as confirming my suspicion that he never wore the uniform, even though he arrogantly claims the right to define who was and was not worthy of bearing the burden he so deftly dodged.
Anyone who flippantly makes a comment in support of violence against women is undeserving of my respect. You?re correct that I didn?t serve my country through military service, but I have, am currently, and will continue to serve in many other important ways. My grandfathers and father were honorable military men deserving of respect. The vast majority of our armed services deserve respect. You, Proudvet, if you truly stand by your last comment, are not deserving of my respect. Period.
Thank God. Being respected by Don Misquote would cost me the respect of real Americans. I’m sure you’re serving your country, Misquote. Drew a little community service requirement on that DUI, did you? But picking up trash along I-25 while wearing an orange jumpsuit isn’t exactly comparable to serving in the Armed Forces, now is it?
whatever makes you feel better, Proudvet…
I stood in the line of fire surrounded by Charlies to stand up for every red blooded American male’s right to go home and beat his wife!
proudvet you make me sick. My brother just got from a tour a couple of years back. He came back a different guy than the one I knew before he went. I’m sure you did heroic things for this country when you served, but there is nothing heroic in the things you say in your posts. My advice would be for you to get some help in a Veterans Hospital… Oh wait your commander in chief is cutting the funding. Have fun standing in line.
Kareoke Hero,
Please don’t lie in your post. Bush’s budget proposal that was passed by Congress has increased spending for vets by 24 billion dollars. In Bush’s first four years funding increased twice as much as it did during Clinton’s eight years in office.
In addition he has increased spending for veterans hospitals by 51% and 1.5 billion has been spent on new vets faciilities.
As Senator Moynihan once said:
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts”
cindy sheehan is either a traitor or a mental idiot. either way, she should be isolated from society.
She is isolated. Thats the sad thing here. Her son was killed. Her husband left her. Her family has spoken out against her.
In all her grief, those who hate Bush more than they care for Cindy have……
Nice touch guys, so anyone questioning this war is a traitor, unamerican, unpatriotic…just go down the line. Do these attacks ever get old? Republicans can’t respond to the fact this war is going poorly so instead they continue to make personal attacks.
Give it a rest, Marshall. Freedom of speech doesn’t apply only to people who hate America. I have several close friends in Iraq. None of them think it was a good idea to go there. But none of them buy the Cindy Sheehan America Stinks argument either. To just cut and run and leave all the people in Iraq who are struggling for a better life to the mercy of the Baathist torturers, as the Moore/Sheehan crowd demands, would be a supremely immoral act. And don’t forget, Sheehan didn’t just oppose Iraq. She opposed our overthrow of the Taliban! She is unpatriotic and dishonors her son with every eipthet she hurls at America. That’s her right. But to demand that patriotic Americans not only tolerate her but applaud her is sick. The day that the first amendment applies only to the left is the day America is dead.
It’s also worth noting that Sheehan is now vilifying such ultra right wing Repblicans as John Kerry and Hillary Clinton because, to their enormous credit, they are trying to find a responsible way to build a free Iraq and withdraw U.S. troops. God bless Hillary and let the devil take Cindy.
I thought of a good analogy, we’ll see if you like. Your approach to this argument is like a seven year old failing history class and when his parents question why and suggest some ways to do better instead of the kid changing he turns around and blames the parents for hating history class, well they don’t hate history class, they hate their kid failing at history class.
Cindy does not hate America, I don’t hate America, and since you can’t make an argument to defend Bush’s failed Iraq policy so you just personally attack anyone that dares to question this administration.
Everyone wants us to succeed in Iraq but the question becomes if this administration is doing what is necessary to make that happen. Many feel that Bush is not doing what is necessary to win this war; this is not just one person.
This war could have been done right but Republicans refuse to listen to the lessons of history. Instead they want to do it their way and when things don’t work out they turn around and blame all people that want to know why they are failing.
Its time that Republicans take responsibility for the mess they made instead of blaming others. Cindy didn’t create what is happening in Iraq and Cindy didn’t create the failed war policy. The responsibility for what is happening falls directly on the Bush administration, Cindy is just symptom of their failed policies.
“Everyone wants us to succeed in Iraq but the question becomes if this administration is doing what is necessary to make that happen. Many feel that Bush is not doing what is necessary to win this war; this is not just one person.”
Marshall,
What would you do to win this war?
I support the troops, therefore I am against putting them in harm’s way in a misguided attempt to establish U.S. hegemony in the middle east. Yes, it would probably wrong to simply pull the troops out of Iraq and let the situation deteriorate, but please don’t give me the argument that freedom is on the march. That wasn’t the original rationale for the war and it’s obvious that Mr. Bush hasn’t shown a commitment to protecting human life overseas when U.S. interests aren’t directly concerned.
Dude, since it would be wrong to pull out and let the situation deteriorate, what does Bush do to win?
I’m not asking if freedom is on the march and I don’t care about WMD. What I’m looking for is solutions to winning the war.
Bush has a plan to win. But if others don’t think his plan is the winning plan and want to win, how do we do it?
Posting that Bush isn’t doing it right is easy.
I saw Wesley Clark stand down that chicken hawk O’Reilly (“I was, unfortunately, not able to go to Vietnam”) and simply say that he met with Cindy Sheenan because she lost her son in service to this country. That’s it. An officer and gentleman. And why the hell isn’t he President? The answer to that tells more about us than Clark.
I can’t speak for you, Marshall, but Cindy Sheehan’s hatred for America oozes from every pore of her body. As as for “dude’s” crap about supporting the troops which is why he wqants to surrender and run away, thank God we were made of sterner stuff at Normandy. My father in law fought there, and I think if he’d ever ran into the cowardly “support” you pretend, he’d have been so disgusted he would have puked. You can’t support the troops by calling them imperialists and warmongers.
Voyageur,
Great I got called a coward. Can this argument turn any more juvenile? You have yet to justify one single aspect of how Bush is conducting the war in Iraq. While you are busy calling people names our brave men and women are waiting for a success strategy in Iraq.
Keith,
Personally one of the things that has turned me so against this administration is the complete lack of shared scarifies. During World War II we had the concept of the war effort being not just a military responsibility but also a civilian responsibility. Have voyageur ask his father in law about victory gardens. If Bush and Republicans truly believe that the war on terror begins in Baghdad then why not ask whatever is necessary of the American people for us to be successful in Iraq. Bush has asked almost nothing from the American people in fighting the war on terror and the war in Iraq. It boggles my mind that Republicans justified the tax cuts during a time of war. Our men and women are in combat and we are talking about tax cuts. When our soldiers have all the supplies they need then we can discuss tax cuts.
The single thing I would do if I could dictate the policy in Iraq is increase troop level strength. Ask any soldier that has been to Iraq and they will tell you that they are performing the same missions over and over again. Our soldiers remove the insurgency out of an area but they do not have enough soldiers to secure the area so they are then forced to leave to combat another insurgency and the enemy just regains the exact same area. The troop levels should have been significantly higher from the beginning to take advantage of the opportunity after we initially defeated the Iraq army. Instead Rumsfeld refused to listen to lessons of history and he didn’t put the correct troop levels in place to secure Iraq and its borders and the terrorists from outside Iraq entered the country to take advantage of the chaos.
I have basically taken the position of increase troop levels or bring our soldiers home. What we are doing right now is not working, we cannot continue with the same course of action and expect a different result. Either do it right or don’t do it at all.
General Wesley Clark has outlined his success plan for Iraq here – http://securingamerica.com/issues/iraqplan
Annex Iraq for oil and hegemonic presence in the middle east. That 51st star would make a beautiful addition to our flag! At least if our soldiers are dying for oil, they are dying for something. Conservatives say it is immoral to leave now? Well, what came first the chicken or the egg? It was immoral to go to Iraq in the first place under false pretenses. So either annex Iraq or get out. Iraqi Sheites should be American citizens, this is the moral thing to do.
Dry your tears, Marshall. It was Dude who claimed to support the troops while disrespecting everything they’re trying to do by demanding that they turn tail and run away.
Your approach is mainstream and defensible, a total variance from the Cindy Sheehan End the War Now crowd.
I agree with you about the lack of shared sacrifice. That’s more or less why I voted for John Kerry, after backing Bush in 2000, mainly because of Bush’s fiscal mismanagement. Kerry, like me a Vietnam-era veteran, is no cut and run guy.
As to your notion of increasing troop strength, again, it’s the last thing Cindy wants to hear. I don’t agree, however, because I don’t want to see the liberation of Iraq turn into an occupation. The goal must be to bring the Shiite, Kurd majority as swiftly as possible to the place where they can defend themselves — THEN get the hell out.
as to Pragmatic’s rantings, I can only assume he chose his nom de computer out of a sense of irony. In real life, he’s Ward Churchill’s speechwriter.
I am not crying, I am trying to have an honest conversation less the name-calling. I don’t agree with everything Cindy says and I have no doubt that she would disagree with me on several of my point of views. But what is happening in Iraq has nothing to do with Cindy; the right desperately wants to make this about Cindy so they can side step the entire Iraq discussion. The only party having a conversation about what is happening in Iraq right now is the Democrats. It seems some Republicans want to close their eyes, say they are patriotic and just hope that things magically improve in Iraq. That doesn’t work for me. We need to be having a discussion about what is going on Iraq and making sure that our brave men and women come home safe when the time is right. As much as I don’t agree with everything Cindy has to say I commend her for bringing this discussion to the forefront. It is patriotic to question our government and Cindy is patriotic for doing so.
Washington – Dozens of Pro-War supporters rallied in Washington today, in response to yesterday’s large Anti-War demonstrations. Shouting slogans such as “Give Death a Chance” “Bush Lied – More Should Die” and “Sham Democracy Isn’t Free” the demonstrators were generally peaceful. The rally was organized by Unfreerepublic.com as a counter march to growing Anti-War sentiment in the US.
March leader Ignorr E. Allity stated, “We’re the silent majority, the ones who don’t take polls and thus aren’t counted when people talk about this crazy thing called ‘public opinion’. Presidents aren’t supposed to pay attention to what the American people want, what kind of a crazy democracy would that be? We’re transplanting freedom to Iraq, so we have to rip it out by it’s roots here in order to plant it there.”
Group spokesperson Kwage Meyer explained some of their positions, “Our soldiers have to die, they have to die for the WMD’s that weren’t found, the ties to Al-Qaeda that weren’t there, the non-existent threat to the US from Saddam Hussein. To not send more troops indefinitely to die for these causes dishonors the soldiers who were forced to die for these causes. Liberals want to pack up and deny future generations the honor of dying for these worthy causes. What will our children get to die for if not George Bush’s policy in Iraq? I can think of no greater cause I would want my children and grandchildren to die for, and pay for, than to keep George Bush from having to admit a mistake. That’s what democracy and government accountable to the people is all about.”
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