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  1. CO Dem says:

    I haven’t seen polls for any race recently (except Udall v. Shaffer). Does anyone have any? I’m from CD2, so the Polis/Fitz-Gerald/Shafroth race and the Heath/Carlisle state race are the ones I’m interested in.

    • ThillyWabbit says:

      I imagine 9News or somebody might do one or two on the CD2 primary, but on a state house primary I wouldn’t think anyone but the candidates would be polling (if even that).

      The candidates in a state house primary would probably get a better bang for their buck doing direct voter ID.

  2. Paraducks says:

    The question I have for the Democrats, now that it’s clear the Republican Party won’t last through 2010. As the “official party” of the US–and history is replete with single party rule–what are your plans for Republicans?  

    • Cartesian Doubt says:

      or disenfranchise them is done at our own peril. Dissenting views should never be pushed away.

    • ThillyWabbit says:

      Of course Democrats are going to move forward with the agenda they’re running on, because it’s the agenda supported by the vast majority of Americans–renewable energy, tax relief for the middle class, a responsible end to the occupation of Iraq, a renewed effort in Afghanistan, and rebuilding our moral standing in the international community.

      It’s an agenda supported by the majority of Republicans too, just not their elected leaders and radio talk show hosts.

      And it won’t be single-party rule like the Republicans had. The judiciary has been packed with relatively young conservatives and will likely remain quite conservative for at least a generation.

      There are a few sensible Republicans in Congress who will get on board, and there are a few that will be obstructionists for purely partisan reasons.

      That’s all assuming Obama wins, which I am not nearly as comfortable conceding as you seem to be.

      • DavidThi808 says:

        It won’t make much difference who is elected. You’ll notice that “out of Iraq” has disappeared from most campaigns now that the primary is over.

        • ThillyWabbit says:

          It’s being merged into other issues that are weighing on people right now like $4 gas.

          And they should be merged, because there is a direct relationship between the war and the price of oil. Both from an uncertainty standpoint (what some are calling the “war premium”) as well as the fact that the U.S. military is currently the largest single consumer of oil, mainly to sustain the war in Iraq. Add in the nearly worthless Dollar (a result of deficit spending due to the war) and it’s clear that the war is the keystone for a whole bunch of problems.

          I think it’s more that Democrats as well as 3/4 of the public just accept it as a given that the war has to end. Saying so over and over at this point is just preaching to the choir.

          • Cartesian Doubt says:

            has become a buzz phrase. I’ve even heard a few Republicans use it in their speeches. Granted, it’s followed by a call for more drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, but…

            • DavidThi808 says:

              1) They drop the subsidies for corn and the tarriffs on biofuels from Brazil

              2) They take a fair look at Nuclear.

              3) They mandate that in 4 years 50% of cars must run on alternatives (hydrogen, electric) and the remaining accept biofuels.

              4) They tax oil, etc at a rate that includes all of their consequential costs (like the war in Iraq).

              So far all we have is a lot of postuering and some small actions.

              • ThillyWabbit says:

                #3 is a physical impossibility as there is no infrastructure for that. Even if you could wave a magic wand and replace 50% of the cars on the road with ones that haven’t been invented yet you still have to contend with the fact that there is not enough power generation capacity to handle the additional load. We have rolling blackouts every summer as it is. We’re moving in that direction, but it’s going to take at least a decade, if not longer for the technology and capacity to catch up. That plus most people couldn’t afford to buy a new car within 4 years.

                #4 won’t happen in a million years even if the Dems had a super-duper majority because it would crush the economy and be horribly regressive. I have no idea what that would do to the price of gas, but as it is we have an ever-larger portion of the population that has to choose between things like food and gasoline to get to work.

                • WritterWrocks says:

                  On a 24 hour clock the grid’s capacity factor is under 80%.  Nighttime loads are fairly low — that’s the time frame the cars would be charging in the garage.  That same power could then be used as a “peak shaving” mechanism during the day if the car was plugged into the grid.  We’ve got to get smart grids in place, and Xcel will be implementing its first version of that in Boulder soon.

                • DavidThi808 says:

                  3) On (3) I meant new cars – we set that new cars built meet these requirements. If people know it’s coming there will be hydrogen at gas stations and plug ins at home and work.

                  4) England already does this with their gas taxes. It should be phased in but until gas is priced at what it truly costs us, the subsidies will encourage over-use of it.

                  • parsingreality says:

                    …at least until “cheap” fusion energy is available.  And that’s only the fuel, not the distribution network.  

                    I highly recommend watching “Who Killed the Electric Car?”  I saw it in Denver at the old Tennyson two years ago and just watched it again with my old parents last month. It was in the local library, and even they enjoyed it.  

                    Part of it is about hydrogen fuel celled vehicles (Bush’s Baby!)and the absurdity of them.  I won’t go into that here, see the DVD.  

                    • DavidThi808 says:

                      Hydrogen is basically a battery so you can call it electric. But Hydrogen refuels fast and has a lot of power.

                      And we’ve got Arnold working to have hydrogen refueling the length of the Pacific Coast Highway which would make them workable over most of California.

                    • parsingreality says:

                      Come on, you are a very smart, very rational person.  But something isn’t getting across on this hydrogen issue.  Off the top of my head….

                      1. It takes more hydrocarbon energy to make hydrogen than you can get out of it. That’s from strip mined coal. The only possibility of it being economical is the blunt force method of high heat molecular disassociation in nuclear fusion. That’s 40-50 years out.

                      2.  You can’t store enough hydrogen to go more than about a hundred miles, whether using metal hydrides or compression.  That’s easily attainable with our electric cars.

                      3.  You will need a refueling infrastructure at the cost of untold billions of dollars. And would you drive your hydrogen car across Nevada? With an electric, you might have to cool your heals a long time in Podunk, but eventually you can move on. And frankly, I don’t want to be around the typical moron refueling with hydrogen…..

                      4.  Battery technology gets better and better. The next big breakthrough is waiting with zinc-air cells.  It will happen!  Also, the use of capacitors instead of batteries is appearing viable.  With every improvement, other technologies fall farther behind, including gasoline and diesel.

                      5.  You heard it here first: When “every” car is spewing “only” water vapor, guess what will happen?  Yes, the earth’s climate will almost certainly change!  (My forecast, I’ve not seen it elsewhere.) No one probably ever thought that billions of cars could change the climate due to CO2 and CO, but they do.  Electrics, through wind, geothermal, tidal generation, dams, solar, and nuclear will leave no exhaust footprint.  

                    • DavidThi808 says:

                      What I want is something that gets cars off oil. Lets say tomorrow there’s this major breakthrough with fusion where we get electricity so cheap it’s essentially free.

                      We still face an oil shortage. Everything outside of cars uses electricity but cars need gas. We need to get cars powered by electricity, eiher directly or indirectly.

                      As to direct electric, recharging takes time and what do you do with hundreds of millions of old batteries you need to throw out when they won’t recharge anymore?

                      Every approach has trade-offs but I think hydrogen may (not definitely, but may) be the best way to do this.

                    • parsingreality says:

                      The battery issue is minor.  About 98% of all lead acid batteries are currently recycled.  The same, if not 100%, will happen with those that cars use because the battery “control” will be very centralized.

                      I’ve already mentioned why hydrogen is off the table until at least fusion is available.  And maybe not then.  

                      We need to save our oil for things like flight, plastics, and fertilizers for the time being.  The more we use electricity, the less demand, lower prices, and leaves it for those purposes.  The AF is looking at an oil-less future and is testing their jets on biojet.  

                      A bit at a time, then the flood.

                    • ThillyWabbit says:

                      is flubber. It’s fabulous.

                    • parsingreality says:

                      It’s fuh..fuh..fabulous.

    • ekean says:

      That we could actiually see three viable parties?  The dems are steadily moving further and further left.  WIth Mccain the republicans are moving towards the center, and it seems to me that we could see a faith based conservative party spring up and possibly have great success.  We will just have to wait and see.

      • divad says:

        …who leans “left”, I certainly don’t see the Democrats “moving further and further left”.  Quite the opposite actually given recent issues such as FISA and SC vote on gun control.  

        If anything, they are also moving toward the “center”, which is what it takes to get elected in both Colorado (Udall) and nationally (Obama).

      • parsingreality says:

        With Obama doing a neck snapping U-turn on several issues already, with neither he nor Hillary supporting true universal health care, with the FISA cowering and all the many lay down votes, the Dems are just slightly left of the Republicans.  

        McCain is moving to the center, I agree.  

    • puddin says:

      The history on one party rule is to over-reach, lose touch with the populace, become arrogant, move policy toward the extremes, forget to listen, begin thinking they are really smart and actually know the answers and start believing their own press.  I suspect the D’s will do more to re-build the R’s than what the R’s will do.

      I give the D’s 3-4 election cycles at best before they have finished rebuilding the R’s.  

  3. DavidThi808 says:

    I was asked to sign a petition for tax money to go for handicaped people when going into King Soopers today. They wanted me to sign all 8 petitions they had.

    When I left, one petition was on the table with a pen – but no one at the table.

    So first off, they are going for duplicate signatures. Second, they are going for unwitnessed signatures.

    Somehow I doubt it’s going to pass the SoS verification.

    • Cartesian Doubt says:

      I get that every time I go shopping. I don’t have time to read the petition, so I don’t sign. Maybe that’s what they’re going for.

      • Canines says:

        Outside of a church? A sporting event? A rock concert? Where would people likely be less harried? I can’t really think of any public location (and it has to be public) in the modern world where a petitioner can find a large number of people to approach who aren’t busy.

        Why do they choose King Soopers?

        I get that every time I go shopping. I don’t have time to read the petition, so I don’t sign.

    • ThillyWabbit says:

      Get some video footage of that shit. That would make great blog coverage.

      I remember some group last year did that and it made the news with their video footage of petition gatherers asking for “backup copies” which were actually a bait-and-switch routine.

      People thought they were signing up to save the whales and the “backup copy” was the gay marriage ban or something.

      • DavidThi808 says:

        Somehow I don’t think it would work if my daughter was there obviously filming the whole thing. I’ll ask them if they can come up with a way to do it and if so – YouTube time!

      • DavidThi808 says:

        I got my daughters to go with me and they recorded on their cell phones while pretending to be TXTing a friend. When I asked what the 2nd petition was for, it was a different initiative and he said so.

        I don’t know what was going on the first time this morning – he had a 2nd person with him and it was that person telling me to sign all 8. So maybe the other guy was short-cutting the process but this guy answered correctly.

        And one of my daughters said she had not registered yet and asked if she could sign – and he said no. So legit on that too.

        • Dan Willis says:

          The paid ones get paid per signature which to me is an incentive to slack off and do it sloppily just to build up the numbers. Volunteers tend to care more about the issue and do better at making sure the signatures are valid.

          The last time I ran a petition drive (1998) I required an 80% validity rate from the paid circulators or they would only get paid for the number of valid ones they collected. When it cut into their pay, they learned how to do it right real quick.

          I know at least one of the current circulating companies has a similar policy, but I’m not sure about the others.

  4. Gecko says:

    I haven’t posted in awhile so I missed my chance to say “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..the lowlifescornedbellycrawlingmanhatingtaxraisingwannabbeesocialist Hildabeast fucking lost!!!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    That did make my year.

    Now when Hussein loses, life will be grand.

    • Cartesian Doubt says:

      Saddam was hung. A good day.

      I’m glad she lost too. Now we’ll see if McCain can keep his story straight until November.

      • RedGreen says:

        His many wives might have happily attested to that, but actually he was hanged.

      • Gecko says:

        but Hussein still lives in the Democrat Party.

        • Cartesian Doubt says:

          He didn’t choose his middle name.

          My middle name’s Wayne. Don’t like it, didn’t choose it. I got over it and moved on.

          Is this is the best you Conservatives can do, attacking his middle name?  

          • Gecko says:

            Where did I attack anything? Fill me in because you said I “attacked” his middle name……..

            Look, the dude has a middle name of Hussein. I did not give it to him and I can’t help it if his mommy gave it to him. That said, I will attack him by calling him nasty names like “Hussein” any time I want. I called the belly crawling loser Mrs Clinton “The Hildabeast” too.

            So what.

            Your side calls McCain, McSame all the time. And you question his morals because he was divorced once.

            So what again? Turn about is fair play.

            I could say way worse………..

            • RedGreen says:

              Go right ahead. No one’s stopping you.

              And you question his morals because he was divorced once.

              You really don’t get the whole story about McCain and his first wife, do you? That’s good, because Hilllary’s voters and millions of unaffiliated and Republican women do get it.

              • Gecko says:

                joke of a marriage is questioned, and libs are asked how she could stay married to a scum bag like Billy, I have been told that I should not ponder questions about another couple’s personal life.

                OK Same as McCain. He divorced his first wife. You did not live in their household. You were not there to see what went on daily. You can not begin to assume why he divorced her.

                On the other hand, I can question why the Beast would stick around a man that lied to the world under oath about being a cheating scummy spouse.

                His actions are public record. She stuck around for one reason.

                To become a senator and eventually president.

                Luckily the majority of us had enough sense to see through their lies.

    • One Queer Dude says:

         Mr. tax-and-spend RINO (and let the foreigners in with amnesty) John McCain, or a solid conservative like Bob Barr who opposes taxes and led the effort to impeach Bill Clinton?

  5. Canines says:

    in today’s Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/

    But even some who should be his core constituents — in the Democratic Party’s progressive wing and the liberal blogosphere — have taken his recent maneuvers as a wake-up call. They are warning the senator that in his quest to reach voters in the middle of the political spectrum, he risks depressing the enthusiasm of the voters who clinched the nomination for him.

    “American voters tend to reward politicians who take clear stands,” said David Sirota, a former Democratic aide on Capitol Hill and author of the new populist-themed book “The Uprising.” “When Obama takes these mushy positions, it could speak to a character issue. Voters that don’t pay a lot of attention look at one thing: ‘Does the guy believe in something?’ They may be saying the guy is afraid of his own shadow.”

    • One Queer Dude says:

      …but give Obama a break, he’s got to do what he’s got to do in order to win in Nov.  (It feels a little weird for me as an H.R.C. supporter defending B.O. when his own supporters are starting to turn on him now…)

        It’s basic General Elections 101 that the successful candidates runs to his/her party’s ideological pole in the primaries, and then runs to the middle in the general.

        I think Obama’s got the fire in his belly, and he wants to win badly enough that he’ll do what he needs to do (short of committing any felonies) get there.  That’s a good sign!

      • puddin says:

        “He’ll say and do anything to get elected.”  No need to make a list.  It would probably be seen as … oops.  Can’t say that either.  Nevermind.

        I’ll just say he wants all sides of every issue.  Got to catch up with him after a while.    

      • parsingreality says:

        I’m usually right with you, Dude, but not with this.  It means politics as usual, not the much ballyhooed “Change.”  Obviously, it’s not.  

        It alsoo suggests the end justifies the means.  Not a very enlightened position.  

      • DavidThi808 says:

        First off, if we do whatever is required to win, we’re no better than Bush/Rove.

        Second, if you stand for nothing in the election, then you don’t have the mandate to do squat once you’re elected.

        Third, I don’t see how the FISA vote helps him get elected. What is that supposed to get him, the “let’s piss on the constitution” demographic? As to it defending Dems against Republicans – do you think this is going to stop them from claiming the Dems are weak on national security? They’ll pick 5 other votes.

        The FISA vote is bad for the country and bad for the Dem candidates.

        • parsingreality says:

          …if he had chosen to work very hard to eliminate the worst features of the bill. Then he good have gone into the election saying, “See, I’m a great leader and negotiator because I protected your rights while making it harder for the tare-ists to hide.”

  6. Canines says:

    New York Times article about the use of YouTube by individuals, unaffiliated with either presidential campaign, to attack McCain or Obama:  

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06

    (May have to skip past the assmunch ad attached to the above URL to get to the article.)

    Produced here in a cluttered former motel behind the Sony Pictures lot, it juxtaposed harsh statements about Islam made by the Rev. Rod Parsley with statements from Mr. McCain praising Mr. Parsley, a conservative evangelical leader. The montage won notice on network newscasts this spring and ultimately helped lead Mr. McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, to reject Mr. Parsley’s earlier endorsement.

    In previous elections, an attack like that would have come from party operatives, campaign researchers or the professional political hit men who orbit around them.

    But in the 2008 race, the first in which campaigns are feeling the full force of the changes wrought by the Web, the most attention-grabbing attacks are increasingly coming from people outside the political world. In some cases they are amateurs operating with nothing but passion, a computer and a YouTube account, in other cases sophisticated media types with more elaborate resources but no campaign experience.

  7. Gecko says:

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    through thick and thin

    don’t look to those above you

    when you’re down and out

    and there ain’t no doubt

    nobody wants you

    You’re rock candy baby

    you’re hot sweet and sticky

    you’re rock candy baby

    so hot sweet and sticky

    All right, yeah

    hot sweet and

    oh yeah

    When you’re 17

    reachin for your dreams

    don’t let no one reach them for you

    pull up your pants

    step out, take a chance

    if it can be done

    cuz you’re rock candy baby

    you’re hot sweet and sticky

    yes, you

    you’re rock candy baby

    so hot sweet and sticky

  8. Gecko says:

    Well, I remember when I was seventeen

    my father told me, “pick your dreams”

    he said life ain’t easy as it seems

    When you get older you’ll see what I mean

    At the time, I wanted to be twenty one

    It seemed the right age for having fun

    When I got there I was still too young.

    And twenty five seemed to be the one.

    But now I live my life from day to day

    ‘Cuz I wouldn’t have it any other way

    Whether I’m twelve or I’m sixty four

    I spend my time like there ain’t gonna be no more

    You know that sweet girl you’ve been chasin around?

    She got you hooked long as she keeps you around

    It won’t be long and you’ll be back on the town

    Lord! Yes, alright.

    Things between, they suite you right.

    But once you get them it seems like they’re all alike.

    So make it last as long as you can.

    It’s so much easier when you understand.

  9. Gecko says:

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    Ooh ooh ohh

    Thirty days…..

    Anyone doin that one?…

    I’m doin that one

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    all right all right all right, all right, yeah

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    A dirty room and silver coke spoon

    Give me my release, come on

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    sneeze some dust that you got buzzed on

    You know it’s hard to believe

    30 days in the hole

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    30 days in the hole

    That’s what they give you

    30 days in the hole

    I know

    Newcastle Brown, I’m tellin’ you, can sure smack you down

    Take a greasy whore and a rollin dance floor

    It’s got your head spinnin’ round

    If ypu live on the road, well there’s a new highway code

    You take the urban noise with some Durban Poison

    It’s gonna lessen your load

    30 days in the hole

    That’s what they give you

    30 days in the hole

    Oh, yeah

    30 days in the hole

    All right, all right

    30 days in the hole

    What you doin’ boy?

    You here for 30 days

    Get, get, get your hair cut long

    And cut out your ways

    Black napalese, it got you weak in your knees

    Gonna sneeze some dust that you got busted on

    You know it’s so hard to please

    Newcastle Brown can sure smack you down

    You take a greasy whore and a rollin’ dance floor

    You know you’re jailhouse bound

    30 days in the hole

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    30 days in the hole

  10. Paraducks says:

    Just when you think it can’t get worse…

    The Republican Party in Colorado is broke. Campaigns are broke. Aging Alf Landon supporters, at long last, giving up the party at long last to the Wendell Willkie folks, optimistically proclaim Republicans are “holding their powder.” Don’t shoot till you see the white’s of the eyes of Mark Udall, the fellow from the Eldorado Springs metropolitan area. He’ll have to stand a little closer to the camera in those bi-hourly campaign ads before Republicans actually advertise. Meanwhile, voter awareness is accomplished with hand signals, apparently.

    RNC phone banks, based in the remote capitol on the East Coast, compete aggressively for Colorado dollars, siphoning funds never to be seen here again. There are no known Colorado Republican telemarketing fund-raising operations. A mailing effort sponsored by the fading Coors family is based on obsolete pre-McCain-Feingold expectations, big money. The candidate, Bob Schaffer, is nearly invisible. The mere recitation of his name at a cocktail party evokes an immediate forest of owl imitations.

    The money game has changed and the GOP power base, a Democrat’s best friend, won’t adapt. The base, meanwhile, substitutes activities designed to win elections, such as planting yard signs in highway medians, with emailing to one another shocking articles of what life will be like if Democrats win.

    In lieu of fund raising, the GOP will next week use its vast phone banks to investigate the nocturnal political attitudes of non-affiliated voters. Unwilling to forcefully and persuasively communicate its principles, but wanting to capture these voters, deemed necessary to the party’s very survival, the GOP has launched an effort to cipher the ceaseless squirming of the Independent mind.

    In other words, the GOP is investing heavily in begging the least informed and most vacillating voter– the brand voter –to dictate nighttime political moods to the GOP. Republican brass doesn’t get that non-affiliated voters don’t hold rock-solid political beliefs. If they did, they’d be issue voters, registered either Republican or Democrat. A campaign articulating Republican principles, and they’ve been so avoided, I don’t recall them this moment, might sway the unaffliated voter, rather than the blind leading the memory-challenged. If an accurate affiliation could be assigned to the unaffliated voter, it would be designated with “M,” the Party of the Moment.

    Labeling the unaffiliated voter, “independent” as in possessing some sort of special reasoning strength is at most flattery. Genuflecting to the unaffiliated voter is an indication of the depth of the Republican problem.

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