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May 14, 2008 04:05 AM UTC

If it's Tuesday there must be an election somewhere

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  • by: DavidThi808

In West Virginia Obama is doing better then expected and keeping Hillary below 60% so far it’s a blow-out for Hillary (Edwards is still on the ballot there) 68% reporting:

Clinton 160,115 66%
Obama 65,752 27%

And in Mississippi we have as about a red a district as you can get so the election of course is going to the Republican Democrat (94% reporting)

Childers [D] 55,394 53%
Davis [R] 48,253 47%

In the Mississippi race, in a very Bob Schaffer moment, the Republican candidate offered a home for a Nathan Bedford Forrest statue. Forrest was the founder of the Ku Klux Klan and he and his troops murdered surrendering Union troops at Ft. Pillow and other locations.

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29 thoughts on “If it’s Tuesday there must be an election somewhere

  1. I think Obama’s going to skip campaigning there when he’s the nominee. Check out this stuff courtesy of SLOG:

    Racially motivated voting appeared to be running higher than usual: Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi. And only a third of those voters said they’d support Obama as the nominee against Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., fewer than in other primaries where the question has been asked. (Source: ABC)

    Per the exit polls:

    70 percent of voters had no college education; 70 percent of voters want the nomination fight to continue; 50 percent of voters said Obama shares the views of Rev. Wright; 95 percent of the voters were white; 21 percent said the race of the candidate was important; and of those white voters who said the race of the candidate was important, 84 percent voted for Clinton.

    And this doesn’t sound like a concession to me:

    After tonight’s tremendous victory here in West Virginia, it’s clear that the pundits declaring this race over have it all wrong. The voters in West Virginia spoke loud and clear – they want this contest to go on.

    I’m listening to the voters – and to you.

    With your help, I’m going to carry the energy of tonight’s victory into the next contests in Kentucky and Oregon. And just as always, I’ll be depending on you to share every step of this journey with me. You have worked your heart out, put yourself on the line for what you believe in, and given generously. And I’m not about to turn my back on you.

    We’ve proved conventional wisdom wrong time and again in this race. We did it again tonight in West Virginia. Let’s keep going.

      1. a 90-10 blowout?

        There is no question that Senator Clinton is going to win by huge margins in the upcoming primaries in West Virginia today and Kentucky next weeks. She has poured resources into both states and she, former President Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton have all campaigned extraordinarily hard there.

        The Clinton campaign has already been touting their margins in these states – In fact, Bill Clinton said that Hillary can win West Virginia with 80 percent-and the West Virginia Senate Majority Leader said Clinton needs to win by “80-20 or 90-10.” And in keeping large margins in perspective, it is worth noting that, while Senator Clinton will win big in West Virginia, Barack Obama won neighboring Virginia by 29 points.

        But with 49 contests behind us and only six to go — including several states where we expect to do well — Barack Obama leads in pledged delegates, contests won, and superdelegates. And for perspective, while 28 pledged delegates are up for grabs this evening, Obama has won the support of 27 superdelegates in the course of just the last week putting him less than 150 total delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination.

        Who am I kidding, these insurmountable numbers have been looking her in the face since Feb. and she didn’t concede then nor will she concede now.

        Anyone know what the turnout was like? Was it another record setting primary for the Democratic Party?

          1.    It was clear that Jesse Jackson was not going to win the nomination over Bill Clinton, but I don’t remember that he dropped out–I do remember for sure he was accorded opportunity to speak in prime time at the Dem Convention.  It was important then to acknowledge his historic campaign and show respect to his supporters, even in a losing effort, and it is important to acknowledge the same things to Sen. Clinton now.  

            1. because his candidacy was more symbolic, and had done the same in ’88 and possibly even ’84. It seems like someone who’s way out of contention always stays in ’til the end, at least on the Dem side – I remember Hart doing that in ’84. This is the first time in my experience that it was this close between two contenders for this long.

              1. seated in 1972, he might have taken the nomination. In 1976, Reagan was just over a hundred delegates short of Ford’s winning total and took the fight to a crucial Rules Committee vote at the convention.

                But you’re right, this is the closest thing to a tie we’ve had in a long time.  

                1.    When even after it was mathematically impossible for Kennedy to win (a point which the Obama-Clinton has not reach quite yet), Teddy continued his hopeless campaign all the way to the convention.

                    He made a last-ditch effort to have the delegates change the rules so that they’d be free to vote for him instead of Jimmy Carter, the candidate to whom most were pledge to vote as a result of their states’ primaries and caucuses.

                    Then, of course, there was the spectacle of Teddy’s behavior after Carter gave his acceptance speech, when he went up to the podium, acknowledge the applause of the delegates, but pointedly refused to shake Jimmy Carter’s hand as Carter rather pathetically chased him back and forth on stage, trying to get a handshake.

                    I knew that the ’80 election was cursed when they tried to do the convention balloon drop, but the nets were stuck and the balloons never dropped.

                    I don’t believe that HRC will sink to the level that Ted Kennedy did in 1980.  I suspect that she will give a nice speech at the convention, endorse Obama, and more likely than not, shake his hand.

                    And let’s hope that the balloons at the Pepsi Center drop on cue.

              2.    but JFK-LBJ went to the Dem Convention.  Also RFK-Humphrey was going to be a horserace down the stretch–and probably comparable level of conflict between party insiders and young turks as the HRC-BO contest, except for the tragic assassination of RFK.  I didn’t fully understand at the time, but we lost a potentially great one there.  

                1. I was born in 1970 so those were before my time. Too little to be aware of the GOP race in ’76 too (pointed out by RG above), to say nothing of what happened in ’72. I guess that makes this the closest nomination race in 32 years, eh?

                  1.    That was a lot like this year’s Democratic race, because it was so close and went all the way to the convention.

                      Reagan made this desperate attempt to sway some RINO delegates his way by announcing just before the convention that he had selected Richard Schwiecker, a liberal Repub from Pennsylvania, as his running mate.

                      It brought him virtually no additional delegates.  The RINOs stayed with Ford, and some of the right wingers started wondering why their leader did such a thing.

                      Ford’s nomination was sealed because Miss. had something called the “unit rule” which required the entire delegation to vote as a block.  It’s state chair announced for Ford, that put him over the top.

                    1. Is it worth pointing out that all these to-the-convention contests (’68 Dem, ’72 Dem, ’76 Repub, ’80 Dem) wound up losing the general election?

                      It’s also true each of those hewed along deep ideological divides within the parties, which isn’t the case this year.

                      If we have to look 30-40 years ago to find similarities, I wonder how similar these could really be, beyond being close. Of course, you’ve got to go back almost 60 years to find a lame-duck administration as broadly unpopular as this one. We really are in uncharted territory.

    1. While he got hammered there tonight, the latest poll this week out of WV shows him down by only a point or so to McCain in West Virginia.  Just because folks like Clinton better doesn’t mean they won’t vote for Obama in November.

  2. The AP just called it for Childers with 80% reporting! This is amazing. And the GOP tried to use Obama as a smear against the Democrat. HA! What a backfire. When will the rethugs ever learn  

      1. is very similar to the Louisiana 6th and Mississippi 1st, in demographics, voter registration and past Republican/Bush performance. It’s definitely within reach.

  3.    And the margin by which the Dem won means he’ll probably be able to hold the seat in Nov.

      In addition, Childers was impervious to the GOP efforts to tie him to Obama and Wright!

      In addition to the five or six seats the Dems pick up in the Senate in Nov., they gonna net 45 to 50 new House seats!

      And closer to home, Betsy Markey needs to raise a lot of money; C.D. 4 is winnable in light of what happened in Miss. tonight!

        1. in a string of special-election contests where Cheney flew in to rally the base and wound up not helping. He snuck in to an afternoon fundraiser in Grand Junction for Bob Schaffer about a month ago. Will he surface again in Colorado?

  4. So she capture nearly 70% of the vote of mosty white, non-college educated “hard working Americans” who believe that Obama shares Rev. Wrights opinions?  Is that really her vision for George Bush’s ‘Merica?  And two in ten said they voted on the basis of race?  Please, we’re better than that.  

    1. We all have our pluses and minuses. And quite a few people are stuck in us vs them or wanting to find some way to make themselves seem better that some others.

      It’s sad that we still have this. And that some sections of the country still hold on to it as a community. But over time people learn and communities improve and cultures advance.

      We do need to say that we find these views abhorent. We do need to demand better of our politicians. But we also need to face the fact that these are fellow Americans.

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