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June 16, 2014 06:15 AM UTC
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This morning, as the talking heads continue to blather on and on, it becomes clear that the uprising in Iraq is the direct result of the failure of Nouri Al-Maliki to work toward a coalition government…one that includes the Sunni Muslim community.
Iraq was a phony country from the very beginning, put together by Britain and the U.S. to facilitate the oil industries' goals. Asking Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds to run a country together was a tall order in the first place. The Iraqi Prime Minister has seen to it that the effort would fail.
This is a situation that must be settled by Saudi Arabia (Sunni) and Iran (Shiite). The Kurds in the north are going to sit tight in what may eventually be their own country; Kurdistan. Outside intervention will only make the situation worse…
But Crazy Joe said everything was going to be OK. An abrupt withdrawl of forces was not a problem. It was a great success. Here is what he said:
I am very optimistic about — about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.
I spent — I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months — three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.
Hey, Joe turned out to be wrong and was trying to spin a bad situation, that being the decision point of GWB to leave the wars he started for the next guy. C'est la vie….
Guess who else was wrong (top of my head list)? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rove, Fleisher, Rice, Powell, Miller, Friedman, Bremer, Brooks…all of whom caused our friends, family, neighbors to be killed for no good reason.
Are you glad Biden was wrong? Therefore you are pro Iraq Civil War? Or do you just want to stay in Iraq forever a la McCain and Graham? Or should we have done more in Syria, Libya, Egypt as well with our unfunded military and VA as we continued to waste our blood and treasure there?
The government of Iraq, handed soverignty by GW Bush's administration, asked the US to remove it's troops, to which President Bush agreed, signing the SOF agreement in 2008 before fleeing office. You, as has been routinely proven on these 'pages,' are an F'ing liar.
There are lots of considerations in Iraq, including the US stance that we will not send in troops, Al-Malikis incompetence in having basically a million man army who cannot defend itself against 10,000 ISIS members, the role of Iran, the Shia against the Sunnis, secterian behavior, the Kurds etc. etc. and all the moron can add is crazy Joe, crazy Joe !
Andrew Carnegie is about as fucking one dimensional and ignorant as it gets.
Do you see the words, "could be" in that statement, troll boy? There is a big difference between seeing possibilities and delivering guarantees. Vice-President Biden did NOT say everything was "going to be OK". He expressed his confidence..which has since been proven to be misplaced.
But of course to a lying, shitbag, neo-con, troll…the truth is irrelevant.
Condoleezza Rice, May 2012, "I don't think anyone could have predicted they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a highjacked airplane as a missile."
I think this statement helps define the Bush administration. It is a falsehood of jaw dropping proportions. How anyone can continue to vote for people like these is beyond my comprehension. But I do know goppers become quite irate when it is mentioned.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-11-chair-attack-was-preventable/
Wasn't there a report sent to Crawford, Texas in August 2001 from FBI office in Minneapolis about suspected terrorists taking aircraft flying lessons but not being interested in the take-off and landing parts of the training? IIRC, the addressee in Crawford was too busy clearing brush that month to read the report…..
I'm not sure about that specific point, but google around, there is a lot of information about terrorists flying planes into buildings that, I believe, go back to the 80's. That doesn't include the kamikaze pilots in WWII. Tom Clancy has a book with it and Kurt Russell was in a movie about it. Then there are recorded attempts to hijack passenger planes. This is a senario that U.S. intelligence was aware of and had carefully considered as a possisbility for years. The Bush administration clings to plausible deniability by the slenderest of threads.
I heard Rice make that comment, the press briefing was on CNN. I knew then she was lying or totally incompetent. I'd read the book and seen the movie. I didn't know about the real stuff that had actually happened at that time. I was actually shocked when she said that. They knew it was possible. I used be a Republican. I changed my registration right after John Eisenhower did. It was too embarrassing, and I lean progressive anyway. The GOP has lost its' way. They are trending lock step authoritarian.
If my Congresman worked one-tenth as hard at supporting domestic fuel supplies as he did trying to get a Canadian pipeline built that benfits only the Chinese, promoted a domestic, strategic reserve of rural biorefineries to convert our billion tons of organic waste we generate annually to advanced biofuels, and promote an open fuel standard – we'd have zero reason to be in Iraq. It's our petro dollars funding this.
It's the lawyers at the American Petroleum Industry who perenially block/stall the EPA from exercising their exisitng authority that would open these doors and economic opportunity. The same EPA my Congressman wants to defund. We've met the enemy. It's not who you think it is.
Well said, DC. The only problem is that the failure to settle the situaion could result in an state that was run by terrorists who have attacking the US as one of their goals.
That won't happen, dwyer. They'll go after Israel first and get incinerated.
And the difference between a failed state that wants to attack us and a terrorist group worth $2,000,000,000 that wants to attack us is….?
Look guys, I am not going to argue with you all. You both may be right. We may wind up, afterall, with an nuclear exchange.
We went into Afghanistan because the Tallaban was harboring Al Qada and they planned 9/11 there. I think a terrorist state poses a threat to the US – whether it is a 9/11 attack or a Pearl Harbor military attack.
so…
No one disputes that. What is your point? How should we intervene in order to keep Iraq from becoming a "terrorist state"? Yemen is a terrorist state…so is Somalia. What does one more matter?
All these people want from us is for us to get the hell out and stay the hell out. If we do, they will either attack Israel, in which case they are fucked…or they will just keep killing each other….in which case they are fucked.
WE stay out…period
@DC
I am not advocating intervention – rather I wanted to point out that any option we exercise has risk. Non-intervention does not guarantee that we will not be attacked. Twenty two years ago, it might have been enough to just get American troops off the Arabian pennisula. Now, I don't know.
Or an attack on an ally that we have a mutual defense pact with…..
I have no answers.
No one does, we only have best guesses. Some guesses are better informed than others. The only thing I have is, we upset an apple cart, everyone is trying to figure out how to make applesauce, and then, how to get control of the kitchen. There are too many cooks, and the kitchen is almost too hot for working in. One way or another this will be resolved. But, we both know that. Americans visit Vietnam all the time.
Peace.