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April 15, 2014 06:26 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Republicans are for both the man and the dollar, but in case of conflict the man before the dollar."

–Abraham Lincoln

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57 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. Oh crap, he lives in our fair state.

    Kevin Swanson Compares Gay-Inclusive Honey Maid Ad To Axe Murder, Cannibalism

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/kevin-swanson-compares-gay-inclusive-honey-maid-ad-axe-murder-cannibalism

    Swanson also claimed that God will object to the TV ad because “the problem with this ‘love’ thing is you can define it anyway you want. Homosexuals love their friends and cannibals love their victims, they taste good.”

  2. News from the right wing radio listening post:  The latest controversy that is being played as "us real rural  Americans" vs. "urban dwelling flag burning progressives" and may have importance for the campaigns  in Colorado, because it exploits the rural v. urban split.   The story is basically the standoff between the BLM and the Bundy ranch owners.  Here are three links.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch

    The above is a balanced history of the long standing dispute.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

    The above is ABC’s coverage of the standoff

    http://www.infowars.com/blueprint-for-revolution-realized-in-nevada-at-bundy-ranch/

    The above is the radical explanation

      1. Next time we go to a restaurant I am going to order the most expensive thing on the menu, then I am not going to pay because the iced tea wasn't to my liking.  On top of that, I'm going to be angry about it !

        Freedom, Bundy style !

          1. Good point ardy.  If you're such a free enterprise, individual rights/small government kind of guy, then go buy your own goddamned grazing land.  Lots of people do.

      2. I concur.

        freedom works, beck, hannity, fox, et al played the baggers again.

        Through bundy's mooching shenanigans.

        It just keeps gettin' crazier. The inability of the right wing to even suspect how they are made into buffoons by people that don't even remotely respect them allways amazes me.

        I will say this. Had I been the handler of the Federal Marshall Service working canine that cowardly asshole kicked in the video I saw, there would definitely have been an arrest. Or more. Had the incident escalated from there, let it be on the heads of the morons facing off against legitimate law enforcement.

        People in the loon crowd were bussed in from out of state. This is NOT grassroots, but rather astro turf. It has nothing to do with "freedom". It's pure koch brothers/dick armey tomfoolery.

        These idiots need to do the math. The guy doesn't "recognize" the Federal Government. He hasn't paid grazing fees on Federal land since '93. 

        He needs to go to jail.

        1. +100.  He doesn't have a right, he had a privelege.  A privelege he lost when he failed to meet his contractual obligations.  Having grown up on an eastern plains ranch I have some rather strong opinions about the BLM grazing standards – but Bundy is clearly a bad actor and giving legitimate ranchers a bad name.

  3. The Bundy Ranch standoff was "won" by armed cowboys, which fuels the gun argument that the government wants to "take away your guns" so you can not defend your property, etc. against the evil feds.

    1. dwyer, for once I share your concerns. While this guy Bundy was freeloading for 20 years, and getting rich in the process, his "plight" definitely resounds with the anti-government Tea Party crowd. So many imagine themselves as heroic revolutionaries defeating that radical socialist in the White House. They say, "We're fighting for something way bigger than cows".

      I think that most rural and semi-rural (like Pueblo) people just take the protests with a grain of salt. I think that the Feds were right to pull back and let people chill for a bit, rather than go for the dramatic shootout that the activists were promoting.

      I've thought for decades that the extreme right are much more dangerous than the extreme left, and the body count (Oklahoma, unabomber, abortion doctor murders, Sikh Temple, etc) supports that.

        1. I'm not sure he would have needed armor. A few MI-24 attack helicopters would have scattered that whole crew. Putin might have done it just as a "statement".As a combat veteran of our military misadventure in southeast Asia I watched that bunch of yahoos strut around with their several thousand dollar AR-15s and knew  a squad of British infantry from WW2 with their five round capacity bolt action Lee- Enfields could easily have decimated the whole bunch.The wingers will claim"victory"just because a whole load of them didn't die bloody and violent deaths.Anybody who believes the government backed off because of a few amateurs with overheated .22s has never been in the military.

          1. If your talking about the beloved Short Magazine Lee Enfield, SMLE, or Smiley, I think it had a 20 round clip.   There were some 5 round jobs we sent after Dunkirk.   I have a genuine Smiley and love it.   I also have a real Garand, and these pukes dishonor the memory of the men who carried it in battle.

            1. I checked a reference book that said the SMLE had a 10-round magazine charges by five-shot clips.   I think you were referring to the pattern 14 with 5 round magazine — the u.s. sent some of those to Britain after Dunkirk.

        1. The Feds got Al Capone for tax evasion, not with guns.  I'm sure there will be plenty of lawsuits — civil and criminal — and financial penalties that can be used to stop this nutwinger in his tracks.  He can use his guns and ammo for food and warmth in the winter.  That's the only time he'll get to use them.

          1. I'm with you. This isn't over…………by any means. The combination of compensated agitators/dimwit militia/anti-government goober crowd was lit up and pissed off, whipped into a frenzy with hate, and, I'd wager,  alchohol, and the smart way to go was to de-escalate. They did.

            The real mistake was allowing a "protest zone" on scene to begin with. It supplied the platform, freedom works took advantage. 

            Once this dies down, bundy will be charged. Anyone in the crowd (the guy that kicked the LIWD for instance) that broke the law will and should be quietly and lawfully handled. With criminal charges. Booked, with every consequence that goes with being a charged, prosecuted criminal.

            This won't stand. Any more than the disgusting bagger/KKK hate crime in Kansas.
             

            1. Agree Rocco.   This is nothing but a freeloader butressed by a frenzy of lawless goons.  BLM has been patient enough with this nonsense, and needs to throw the book at them.

      1. @Ralphie,

        Thank you.  I listened and it was an excellent examination of the salient facts.

        Handel poses the real question:  Now what?  The federal government, ie. BLM, has the law on its side.  16,000 other cattle owners pay the grazing fees.

        If Bundy gets away with this, then what?   Handel calls it anarchy.  He is right.

        I have no answers.  However, I don't this think an be ignored…either as a tactic of the radical right militia or as a propaganda tool that benefits the republicans.  

        1. You should try listening to Handel sometime and take a break from right-wing hate radio. He's neither right-wing nor left-wing–just very opinionated.  He comes on at 7:00 AM our time.  He's tough to listen to on real radio when the days are getting longer because the Sun is up and it destroys broadcast-band propagation, but you can stream him live on the KFI web site or on IHeartRadio.  Very entertaining character.  Great radio.

          1. Thanks for the link.  I did like Handel.  But I listen to talk radio because it is local and I think that is important.  I will try and catch him when I am wandering around at 3 am……although, Chicago keeps coming in  and blocking everything else except coast to coast.

            1. Best non-C2C nighttime radio is Overnight America.  Great fun show.  Best heard in CO on KRVN, flame thrower out of Nebraska.  Handel is on in the morning–morning drive time, 6-9 Pacific.

    1. Apples and typewriters. Cheney's veep tore apart all the regulatory structures that might have prevented a thousand different debacles.

      Obama has been slow to prosecute, admittedly — largely because of the different world he was required to operate in post-depression, and the reluctance to do anything that would hinder job creation or increase recessionary pressures. At the same time, Obama has done a good job of rebuilding many of those preventional regulatory structures that modern business and society require to function. 

        1. Explanation. The world is more complicated than your bumper sticker posts make it out to be — or –maybe you just can't stand someone moderating your one-dimensional assertions in the least?

          (Notice I said that Obama's been slow to prosecute?  There's a reason for any behavior or  non-behavior usually. You got a better reason? You're free to offer it, ya' know?)

          I actually like Taibbi. Agree with him mostly. Don't think he's got an exclusive license or monopoly on absolute truth, though. 

          One person I got no excuses or explanations for, however.  You.

          1. The point remains, you always have an "explanation" for Obama while you tear into any Republican for not being perfect.

            As for your not having any excuse for me – thank you. That means I think for myself rather than being a mindless Democratic drone.

            1. The only point noticeably remaining is the one in on your head . . . 

              "always"??  "any"??

              You suck terribly as a progagandist (even more than Obama sucks as President).  Way too obvious.  Stick with being the resident know-it-all.

              (PS. I'll be campaigning for Cynthia Coffman!  Wrap your pinhead around that?!?)

    2. That is a great article David.  For those who didn't read it, Taibbi does a short tally of the amount of people put in jail as a result of corporate crises in America:

      1) S&L crisis of the 80's – put about 800 people in Jail

      2) Enron/Adelphia/Tyco accounting crises – put a few heads of those companies in jail

      3) Subprime mortgage crisis – wiped out 40% of the worlds wealth – ZERO

       

      Pretty alarming trend IMHO.

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