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January 09, 2014 06:26 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • 71 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

"Clarity is the counterbalance of profound thoughts."

–Luc de Clapiers 

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71 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. Looks like Christie went far enough this time to open up a great big nasty can of worms. Examples of his mean, petty, bullying abound and Dems will no doubt take full advantage. There's enough for many, many news cycles, including investigations to update.  People might get a kick out of a Soprano wannabe as Governor of New Jersey (Jon Stewart sure does and loves all the material) but nobody wants Tony Soprano in the WH.  

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/nyregion/accounts-of-petty-retribution-reinforce-christies-bullying-image.html

    1. The US Attorney for New Jersey – Christie's former post – is opening an investigation based on the latest allegations.

      And the Maddow Show pointed out something else interesting: Christie may have been trying to run out the Assembly's subpoena power, which ends on Tuesday.

      1. And why the lust for punishment when he was ahead by 25 points with or without the Mayor's support? It's not even hardball politics. It's personal revenge, pure and simple, on the innocents of entire communities. I hope this is a wake up call for the New Jersey voters who elected him. He'd do the same to you in a heart beat, whether you voted for him or not. As it happens, a majority of those he screwed did vote for him.

        1.  

          Why?   Why did Nixon need to bug Watergate when he was obviously headed for a landslide against McGovern?  Nixon and Christie share the same personality disorder.  (BTW — James Gandolfini, rest his soul, would have played a perfect Chris Christie if they made the movie)

          And why the lust for punishment when he was ahead by 25 points with or without the Mayor's support? – See more at: http://coloradopols.com/diary/53139/thursday-open-thread-50#comment-535333

            1. True.  Nixon's trip to China really did change the course of history.  They are now set to pass us as the world's largest economy in just a few years.  Talk about waking a sleeping giant…

              Agreed, Christie is a much smaller man.  Although his "Checkers" speech today might help him somewhat.

      2. If the that was the plan, he failed. I watched the press conference where he tried the "talk 'em to death" strategy. I came away with three possible senarios:

        1) people who work for him did this without his knowledge-as a manager, he's incompetent 

        2) People who work for him did this and he did know about it but did nothing to stop it.-he's a petty thug.

        3) He told members of his staff to issue the order- he's a criminal.

        I don't see how this ends well for him.

         

        1. We'll said.

          Rightly, he's done for higher office.  (I was always doubtful he could carry Ohio anyway.)  

          I don't know NJ politics- does this end things for him there?

          1. Don't know Jersey politics?

            Here's an amusing New York Times column:

            IN New Jersey, we like our politicians to be entertaining.

            Watching Chris Christie writhe for what seemed like hours yesterday, denying he knew anything about what has become known as Bridgegate, might have given joy to the “just deserts” crowd. We’re used to an outsize share of rogues, incompetents and in-your-face pols. Often, they’re funny, even if they don’t mean to be. But Mr. Christie’s performance wasn’t funny. He doesn’t get it about funny…

            The Fort Lee scandal happened because Mr. Christie (or his aides) weren’t content with winning re-election. He wanted to run up the score and pose as a unifier, despite his documented history of publicly abusing those who disagreed with him. The news conference yesterday was perfect. He said he had just learned what everybody in the state had suspected for weeks — that his own people had created a traffic nightmare in Fort Lee to get back at its Democratic mayor. Then he slagged his own people and called them names. Then he wallowed in self-pity for the way they had betrayed him. That’s pitiful, not entertaining.

            Humbug, as we say in Paramus. They were his people doing what they believed was his will. If they were incompetents, they were his handpicked incompetents, with whom he was perfectly content until the heat rose on his personal backside.

            As my friend Tom O’Neil, who has been watching the parade of Jersey pols for decades, put it, “That’s why there are no-show jobs, so the clowns who got you elected don’t mess things up by going to work.”

            That’s funny.

    2. Abuse of power.  That is the crystallized message about Christie's problem, and yet the political pundits and Dems can't seem to find those words based on what I've seen and read so far.  Americans will not tolerate abuse of power by their politicians (see: Nixon).  If Dems will phrase it in those terms then we can say buh-bye to Chris Christie.

      Somewhere in Florida, Jeb Bush is smiling.  I didn't think Christie had a chance of gaining the GOP nomination, but this takes him out and leaves the "moderate" GOP mantle to Jeb Bush.  My prediction:  Clinton v. Bush in 2016.

       

    3. I actually was on the GWB last October, and yes it did look jammed. Even an idiot hit my brother-in-law trying to merge. Actually had to stop and get out to check damages.. 

      Christie's finished, and he will not finish the term – he will be impeached and removed along with his maladminsitration.

       

       

      1. Attacking or defending just want you know we do recognize that Ds screw up, too. Although I don't think Mack's corruption directly cost anybody their life. 

        1. The question of whether this pettiness cost anyone their life is debateable, BC.   The EMTs in Question responded within 7 minutes.   Their normal time is 3.5 minutes.  whether the difference was due to this and whether that difference proved crucial is highly questionable.  The real point is that anytime you interfere with traffic flow, you are at risk for interfering with First Responders.  The entire concept is odious in principle.   I'm not convinced it produced this result in this case yet.

          1. Elliot called it a fact.  I just said at least Mack's issues didn't cause a death. 

            As you say, the question of whether or not the New Jersey bridge shut down did is an open one and such a situation certainly could have. It's bad enough that it made matters worse (more time is always worse than less time in these situations) in this and other specific instances for no better reason than that Christie's posse and quite possibly Christie himself wanted to screw somebody for something that had zero effect on the outcome of an in the bag election just because they could and didn't care how many innocent lives were affected or endangered. These are all schmucks who have no business in public service. That includes Christie based on his whole record of petty revenge and bullying even in the unlikely event that he really had no knowledge of this particularly egregious event.

    1. Hi Mamajama, You weren't on much (or at all) when I used to interact on Pols everyday. I just have to tell you how refreshing it is to see another teacher and union supporter here. I already love you.

      1. Hey Nancy!

        We met back when I was working with Jeffco Dems, and we were on opposite sides in the Bennet-Romanoff primary.

        Now, we're both promoting Romanoff's candidacy for CD6. cool I also appreciate what you're doing with the progressive women's group. Love ya, too!

    1. LOL. We call men dogs when they get busted for stupidly thinking with the little head, but I'd love to know how the dog was coaxed into makig that face.

      1. My take on the commercial was that it was very creative but that it had a small flaw: it mixed messages in the first part, which is partly why it gave you that reaction Nancy IMHO.

        1. It was fine until the voiceover started. It kept saying Scott Gessler but it had to be talking about someone else. Is anyone actually dumb enough to believe this? Scary thought.

            1. We're mad at Hickenlooper because he won't lead on renewable energy issues.  Instead, he's just channeling his inner gas-and-oil-man. 

              Somehow, I don't think Mr. Gessler is going to support anti-fracking or renewable energy activists vs. the O&G industry in Colorado. Call it a hunch.

                1. Pretty cheesey if you ask me. It would have helped if the actor bore the slightest resemblance to Hick and if they had budgeted for him to be doing more outrageously or silly quirky things. Or if they had pointed to the true shortcomings that piss us of on the progressive side instead of making up stuff ranging from lies to too vague to mean anything. The stuff they try to use against him is stuff we like.

                  I also know enough third and fourth gen Colorado ranchers from various parts of the state to know that narrator's accent is laying it on pretty thick. I expected him to go into the Coors Banquet Beer shtick.

                  Any laughing would have been at the lame ad and self parodying narrator, not in appreciation of it or him.

    1. I'm sure the GOTP base will enjoy itThat is if Gessler gets as far as being nominated. The lies will be refuted this time (nobody made it harder for anyone to defend themselves, etc.) and I notice it doesn't say a word about what problems Gessler worked to solve and how he solved them. Apparently they didn't want to mention the voter fraud "crisis" with the incredibly shrinking numbers, dwindling to the point where Caldara felt he had to help Gessler out by manufacturing some himself.  Besides working his ass off on voter suppression and getting his ass out of a sling on ethics charges, just what "problems" has he been working to solve now?

        1. Apparently not. He's already blown his on pushing voter suppression as partisan tool, messing with the clerks, messing with mail ins and defending himself.

        1. One thing about focusing laser-like on the grumpy old conservative demo. Really big donors, lately three of the biggest, have been dropping lie flies. It's a GOTP wide problem. Rightie seniors may vote and the rich ones may write big checks but they also tend to die on you.

    1. I don't wish cancer on anyone and I don't have any trouble sympathizing. He will, of course, get the best of care since he, no doubt, has excellent insurance.  The same can't be said for many others.

      I doubt this will cause him to rethink the GOTP policy of offering nothing better to responsible hard working lower income and self employed middle income Americans than the opportunity to gamble by buying insurance that wouldn't begin to cover expenses for an illness like this. Maybe it will occur to him that people don't get crappy insurance because they're "free" to do so but because that's all they can afford so they just have to hope for the best? Probably not. Even so, I wish him and his loved ones well as he faces this illness.

      1.  He gets military care. Members of Congress, the President and his senior staff, and the Justices all do. It's how they can be so insulated from just how ruinously costly medical care can be. 

        1. And they tend to only hang out with the top segment of the top 1% so they really think everybody who's un or under-insured is just blowing their money on luxuries…. like a TV and a refrigerator, instead of buying a good plan. Have you ever heard them whine about how our poor can't really be poor because they're fat and have stuff like refrigerators?  Guess they should just buy all their meals at the nearest overpriced 7/11 or something.

          1. "…universal quality coverage …"

            No one is against that. Everyone should have the opportunity to earn it, the chance to choose to prioritize it for themselves.

            But why should any adult be able to make others provide it to/for them? Why should anyone get to take that from someone else?

    2. I feel a lot of sympathy for him.  ANd I never once agreed with him.

      Cancer sucks.  And it's independent of a person's politics.

      How do you look yourself in the mirror after wishing bad on people?  You are truly an asshole, regardless of your politics.

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