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November 02, 2005 09:00 AM UTC

Day After Open Thread

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  1. could someone explain this to me….

    headline in the Denver Post on I-100, the pot initiative
    “Denver pot issue passes by thin margin”

    The measure passed 54 percent to 46 percent. 8 percent is now thin? Talk about reframing your perceptions!

  2. threeblindmice:

    Essentially, the Denver Post is composed of writers that are uber sympathetic to the mayor and his stalwarts on city council. The city council was too cowardly to back the initiative–and was in fact forced to put the initiative on the ballot when they were confronted with signatures. (Did they say C passed by a “thin” margin?)

  6. Oh I-100 is such a load of crap. I wish I would have spent my time getting people to vote no over supporting C and D. To think I went up and went door to door in FTC for votes over stoping.

    Denver is the laughing stock of the media… Tragic

  7. Unfortunately for me, I was correct in that C would pass!  Stand by to watch groups position themselves for the cash; all the ppl I’ve heard on the radio this morning who stand to gain are talking like this is a new windfall of cash–which I guess it is.

    Any lib’s want to wager that all of this new cash (ie our money) won’t ever go away now?  We will now be faced with the prospect of what happens when this thing sunsets….although I doubt it ever will.

  8. Some windfall.  It barely keeps Colorado where it is today.
      And, although the anti-Colorado, drown it in a bathtub crowd, constantly whines about cut out more from the budget, not one has taken and shown on the budget what they want cut.

  9. Andy:

    Relax pal–this is Denver law. A great majority of procession (and other) cases are prosecuted under state law anyway. It’s more of a symbolic victory than anything else.

    I guess if you were actually educated about the issue you would know that. Or is it the symbolism that bothers you? Boo hoo hoo.

  10. Need to back up Blue Bronc on this one: under TABOR provisions – even with the Ref. C “ratchet” fix – the best our State can do is hold the line and hope the things it pays for don’t exceed general inflation.  Until and unless we can gain control over costs exceeding inflation (e.g. healthcare, prisons), and adjust various mandates (including TABOR) to account for mandated spending that also exceeds TABOR limits, Colorado will continue to lose ground – or at best tread water – in essential government services.  Ref. C isn’t a windfall – it’s a finger in the dam.

  13. I can’t wait to display my “NO REFUND FOR YOU” bumper sticker that the Independence Institute sent me. It will be fun rubbing this victory in to all the Colorado-haters who voted No on C.

  14. I’m just referencing what I’ve heard on the radio all morning, and many people in state health and eduation area’s are jockeying for priorities. 

    My major problem all along with C/D was the whole blank check kind of thing—we need the money for x,y,z, but no specifics.  I know the state is/was strapped, and I did look at the budgets.  Still couldn’t find a true cut anywhere in there though.  I take that back, I think there was one actual cut for prisons back in 03/04 for like 200k.

  15. Colorado-hater’s and anti-Colorado…you made me laugh with those! 

    “How dare you question my State-ri-a-tism”! “I am a  State-ri-a-tic, and that is why I’m so concerned about our issues”! 

    Nice spin

  16. Andy:
    Grow up. Believe it or not, (and different polls have shown this again and again) Americans aren’t buying in to scare tactics about cannabis anymore. You?re a dying breed?and let me guess, you think cannabis is a ?gateway drug? too, right?

  17. I think that’s called “gloating,” DenverJeffrey. Wisdom has it that malicious satisfaction often leads to greater, more destructive emotions that might, one day, lead to, oh, say arrogance or downright superciliousness. Kind of a “gateway” thing that you might want to avoid.

  19. Lose the conspiracy theories about newspaper accounts on the “thin” margin for the pot vote.  Denver’s first returns, just after 7 p.m., showed it losing.  Those are the mail ballots plus the two weeks of early voting.  Only when votes actually cast on Tuesday were counted did I-100 pick up speed.  Newspaper deadlines being what they are, the margins were thin when those stories were filed.  It’s a safe bet that the absentee and early voters were older and more conservative on social issues than the voters who turned out on election day.  That said, congratulations on sending the drug warriors a much-needed message!

  20. PanamaRed:
    What was has nothing to do with the final result.
    You can try and frame it all you want, but 7 points isn’t a “thin margin”.

    And please, spare us the excuses for lazy and inaccurate reporting. It’s been twelve hours.

  23. EMROSA, stop smoking those funny cigarettes long enough to realize that it doesn’t matter whether it’s been 12 hours… the newspaper was printed earlier, based on early returns.  The margin was thin then.  Think about this concept…broadcasters can update, newspapers can’t.  Ink, once committed to paper, doesn’t change when you refresh the screen. The only lazy reporting here is yours.  Ink: fixed.  Electrons: changeable.  Work on it!

  24. PanamaRed

    You remember that thing called the Internet? Last time I checked, The Denver Post had a website. Never mind the fact that it’s completely irresponsible to make final calls on the specifics of races with out having all the results in. (Especially in paper!)

    As for your other incoherent psychobabble and attempt at an insult–all I can say to that is:
    You need more cow bell.

  25. headline in the Denver Post on I-100, the pot initiative”Denver pot issue passes by thin margin”

    You were whining about a newspaper headline in your original post, EMROSA.  Boy, are you dumb.  LEarn the first law of holes…when you’re in one, stop digging.  Just admit you made a mistake and stop looking dumber and dumber with each subsequent stupid post. 
    It’s true.  Marijuana makes you stupid.

  26. PanamaRed:
    Wow. Some how, I don’t feel like the stupid one.

    First off, if you read my original post you will find me criticizing the Post for it’s compliance with Denver’s status quo.

    Second, I haven’t made a mistake, and I still contend that it’s irresponsible reporting to write about the specifics of an election before all the results are in.

    Now, do you have actual rebuttal or is it just more name calling for you?

  28. Me: The Post was irresponsible with its reporting, seven points is not “thin”. The Post also up holds the status quo.
    You: You must smoke pot, you’re stupid. The Post is a paper!
    Me: I realize The Post is a paper, but it is also the Internet site. I still think it was irresponsible and wrong to write about the specifics from an election with out all the results.
    You: You’re still stupid. And you’re Richard Nixon.

    Colorado Pols commenter debates, ladies and gentleman.

  29. Boy Howdy, I sure feel better knowing that Gov has butt loads of cash to spend however he wants. Of course since the evil NO people forced the D side to fail the state can come back crying in ’06 that the sky is falling and dead babies are lining the streets. We need more money. So all is not lost huh?

  30. Gecko, it’s just that kind of ridiculous hyperbolic straw-man construction that lost C for you people. Babies lining the streets! We’ve got to fund Ward Churchill and his dildoes! Oh, the humanity!

    Actually, keep it up, and guarantee me a blue Colorado in 2006.

  32. Actually it isn’t a big deal to me that C passed. Won’t break me. To me it is just the principle that our elected officials can’t maintain a budget. And to persuade the population they make threats of cutting the items that they know will bring out a panic. Like health care and higher ed.
    We all know there is tons of waste in the government. They are just too lazy or greedy to look for it. So much easier to cry like a baby and demand more money.

  33. Since you’re obviously the only intelligent person in Colorado, Gecko, please take 20 minutes and show us exactly where that $3.7 billion in fraud and waste is in our budget that everybody else was too lazy and greedy to find. 
    What a blowhard.

  34. I really feel like the comments section of this site has taken a dramatic downturn in the past couple of weeks.  Gecko is not a blowhard.  Gecko is someone who doesn’t agree with C and D and generally makes good points against them.  If you’ve got a problem with his points, fine, but really there is no need to resort to juvenile name calling.

  35. Thanks Todd….Don’t know why a simple question is turned against me. It is real easy to be big and tough when we use pretend names here.
    And if I am a blowhard then 48% of the people that voted are also. Every single person I work with and know personally think the same thing. State government could tighten its belt if it wanted to. But making threats is much easier.
    One way to help the budget is to do something about the thousands of illegals here. Most of the income they earn goes elsewhere. And I’m not prejudice. My partner in my old siding business is Mexican and one of my best friends. And he is legal. My wife works in the medical field and sees how many illegals get free attention. So many in fact that the doctor made a policy that he will not see any more patients unless they can at least speak English.
    Then you can get in to the government employees spending accounts. Many have a credit card with a limit. But at the end of their fiscal year they have to spend their allotment or the next year’s will be reduced. So many will buy things that aren’t really necessary.
    I can go on but I think I made the point that if they tried, they could find ways.
    Tell me to my face that I’m a blowhard. I’ll run you over with my Titan Gecko……….

  36. EMRosa,

    Congratulations on your near-victory in the office pool.

    There is not much respect here, and it shows.  It’s gotten a lot worse.  I think the TypeKey registration system improved things temporarily, since it added a bit more accountability.

    Of course when I mentioned that, I was called an idiot and more for not realizing someone could have more than one TypeKey identity.  Something I’d obviously never thought of, because I’m too busy writing blog and email software.

    I enjoy debating folks who disagree with me.  It’s really hard to do here, because it’s mostly name-calling unheeded by the proprietors.  Sites like Unbossed.com and SoapBlox Colorado have much better systems and more intelligent comments, but are mostly one-sided.  [sigh]

  38. Beaupreznit, typekey can be used to make several identities.  [My real name is Scooter Libby but I normally blog under the name Harriet Miers.]  But it certainly restricts the spur of the moment identify change as well as signing the name of one blogger to another’s comments. And you’re anything but an idiot, though I still haven’t figured out what your handle means.

  39. I would like to hear the explanation of that handle as well.  I was think it means Beauprez is not it, but I can’t tell.

    I think mine is quite self explanatory

  40. Salazar on the fillibuster…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/02/politics/02cnd-confirm.html?ei=5094&en=3020df919cc78cc2&hp=&ex=1130994000&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1130972253-u9kupE6/PJOUROHIE0NV/w

    Some Democratic members of the [Gang of 14]
    said Tuesday that it was premature to rule out
    a filibuster on Judge Alito’s nomination.

    “It certainly is a possibility,” Senator Ken
    Salazar, a Colorado Democrat in the group,
    said. “It may include some Republicans as well
    as Democrats,” Mr. Salazar said, criticizing
    the president for naming a man instead of a
    woman to succeed Justice O’Connor. “America
    deserves better than what we got here.”

  43. Let’s keep the big picture in focus. As a CEO, I would hope we can agree that the devil is in the details, but the angel provides the best perspective. I’m talking about the impending crash of this administration. We’ve yet to see anything like it. Consider:

    It’s more than a little amusing to hear congressional Republicans worrying about such niceties as the Rule Harry reid invoked. Which party likes to hold open five-minute votes indefinitely until the get the results they want? Which party prevents the minority from offering amendments to legislation? Which party forbids the minority from participating in conference committees? Which party shuts down committee hearings went they start to become politically inconvenient? Which party decided that the Senate leader of one party could campaign against the Senate leader of the other party for the first time in American political history?

    Republicans want to lecture Dems about decorum and polite floor tactics? Are they kidding?

    The Republicans have become the Fascists in America. If you can’t see that, then the top of your head will never be tanned.

  44. I’m just the messenger. There’s a tremendous amount of righteous indignation in this country over being lied to, the result being our sons and daughters giving up their beautiful brave lives. Read on, from The LeftCoaster:

    “Engage!”
    We?ve all been waiting, some patiently, some not so, wondering, praying, begging, dancing around the bonfires, when things would start to turn to the left, when the gloves would finally come off.

    It?s frustrating, to say the least, waiting for something cold and hard to point to and say “see, see that dammit?!? They?re the ones that are the traitors, they’re the ones that are the crooks. Not all politicians do that. That’s the legacy of Tricky Dick, a legacy left to the GOP, not the Democrats.”

    Libby’s indictment, far more than tom delay’s, is that event.

    In chess, whoever controls the center wins. But you don’t control the center by letting the other side occupy it, dominate it, use it for their own purposes. You fight for it, you attack it, you clog it up with bodies, force your opponent to either back down and cede control, go around the flank and lose the center, or break on the ranks of your own forces.

    So how does the Left attack the center?

    Not by becoming them, that leads to stalemate, and we can’t afford that. No, by breaking down their defenses, by exposing the lies and corruption.

    Senate Minority Leader Reid laid it out in bold, straightforward, honest terms. Read it, it’s really breathtaking in its damning clarity.

    “The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really about: how the Administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions.”
    People can see the rottenness at the bushies core.

  48. Sir Loin shrieks on and on that Republicans are fascists.  Gecko writes two lines saying “back at you, commie.”  And Sir Loin thinks GECKO “makes no sense.”!  Off your meds again, Sir Loin?

  49. Gecko,

    The Democrats are certainly no further Left than they were back in the 70s or 80s.  They certainly aren’t as far Left as FDR.  I don’t see where the Democratic Party is in any danger of infringing on the Communists’ space.  The Dem party would have to get past the Greens before they got to the Communists.

    Republicans, OTOH, have definitely been drifting to the authoritarian right lately, while wandering back and forth towards the right of the economic scale.  (That political compass thing posted the other day makes talking about this so much easier…)  Fascism we don’t have yet, but for all the talk about fearing government, the GOP has been awfully reluctant to confront the emerging unchecked power of the Executive and the abuses it has – and continues to – hide from We the People.

  50. Phoenix,

    I think you are wrong on your assumption that the Left has not drifted as far as the Right.  If you look at Mien Kempf or the Communist Manifesto, you will find chapter after chapter regarding the needs of the “common good”, many of the ideas are ones that the liberal Left promotes.

  52. Thanks, Keith.  I think the positions of the parties  relative to their pasts are lost on some people.  The GOP push leading up to the 1994 power shift in Congress caused the Democratic Party to re-evaluate their positions, and for the most part, the party has moved sharply to the right in an attempt match what was seen as the interest of the voters. 

    To “exonerate” Nixon of being a Socialist, he was under some pressure by having a Democratic Congress, although I think he really did have a strong belief in environmental issues.  I think he and Clinton would have gotten along well regarding corporate governance, and Clinton was definitely not the authoritarian that Nixon wanted/tried to be.

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