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January 17, 2008 04:05 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I’ll be glad to reply to or dodge your questions, depending on what I think will help our election most.”

–George H. W. Bush

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40 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. IIRC Coffman said Diebold was the one system that was safe to use. Apparently in NH where they are in use across the state, they are finding significant problems in the recount including 550 votes that were not counted. details here.

    Scary that a system this bad is the one Coffman approved.

  2. I just got word this morning that Mark Benner is in fact running in the Democratic Senate race, and will be going through the caucus process.

    I don’t see how he makes the 10% cut-off, considering he’s just entered the race and has an entire state’s worth of caucuses to reach by Feb. 5.  It makes me wonder what he’s really doing…

      1. at least 15% coming out of the caucuses to advance to county and state assemblies.

        The 10% comes into play if he does not receive at least 30% support at the state assembly to be place on the ballot, but does receive at least 10% delegate support.  He then has the opportunity to petition on to the primary ballot.

        Going the caucus route is dangerous for him in that I don’t think he can get the necessary 15% percent to proceed beyond the caucuses.

        1. He’s going through the caucus process.  If he makes it out of, say, Boulder with a delegate, then he’s pretty much hosed at the State Assembly level.  He’s not likely to make it out of the caucus level in most locations, but if he gets a single delegate moving up the chain, he’s done for down the road.

          So why start so late with so little name recognition and accept entrance into the caucus and assembly process?

      2. The only time I heard the 15% rule come into play was in Iowa.  There is (at least for Republicans) no offical tabulation of delegate votes until the respective convention.  How would they know if someone had 15% before going to the convention where they only need 10% to make it on the ballot?

        1. the assembly for consideration.  However, anyone can place a name in nomination from the floor, so techinically he could still have a vote taken on his candidacy at the assembly if nominated from the floor.

          None the less, at that point he would need at least 30% delegate vote to go on the primary ballot.  Absent that he would then need at least 10% delegate vote at the assembly to be able to attemp to gather enough signatures to be placed on the primary ballot.  If does not get 10% at the assembly, he is done

          PR’s point is that reality is that he will not get 15% at the caucuses to move ahead and even if nominated from the floor at the assembly, the likelihood of getting 10% much less 30% is highly unlikely.

          If he sets about from the get go to gather the signatures necessary to get on the primary ballot (that in of itself an extremely unlikly proposition) and bypass the caucus process completely, he is still better off because he is not dependent on votes at any level of the assembly process to try to reach the primary ballot.

          This guy has not thought this process through and probably does not understand the process.

          This is a vanity campaign that will do nothing to further whatever issues this guy says he cares about.

          1. That at the convention delegates vote to put a name on the ballot, and then seperately vote for their candidate?  I’m not trying to be snarky, but in my two times in attending the caucus and conventions, that hasn’t been the case.  You get elected, go to the convention, and vote.  If you get 10% you could petition on.  If you got 30%, you’re on automatically.

            I’ve never seen anything about needing 15% to get to the convention and then only have to get 10% to try and petition on.  Especially since delegate votes aren’t counted until the convention-not before

            1. The caucus math sheets (at least on the Democratic side of the aisle) say you must meet a 15% threshold to receive delegates.  This is where the straw polling and maneuvering comes into play at the caucuses – take a straw poll, and anyone who’s candidate falls beneath the 15% threshold can then switch to a candidate who will be receiving delegates (or Uncommitted, if that gets 15% support…) for the final preference poll.

              So – Benner needs 15% at the caucus to get delegates to the County Assembly level, and 15% at the County level to get to the State Assembly level.  At the State level, it switches to the 30/10 formula with which you’re familiar.

            2. What happens is that if a candidate receives at least 15% of delegate strength coming out of the caucuses that candidate’s name will be automatically placed before the assembly for a vote of the delegates to then place the candidates name on the primary ballot.  In the case of state house or state senate candidates the pertinent assembly is the house district or senate district assembly usually held in conjunction with the county assembly (in the case of multi-county districts the districts often hold stand alone assemblies).

              As I said at any assembly (including the state assembly for a statewide race) anyone can nominate a candidate from the floor despite the fact that the candidate may not have not recieved 15% at the caucuses.  

              That candidate then can be voted on by the assembly as a whole with regard to having their name placed on the primary ballot.  It is that vote at that time that requires a 30% threshold to go on the primary ballot, or absent that at least 10% to be eligible to try to gather enough signatures for the primary ballot.

              If the candidate at the assembly vote does not receive at least 10% of the delegate vote, their are finished.

              Didn’t think you were being snarky, and I hope I have clarified this.

              1. Sorry, but the Dem’s rules are kind of jacked up!  It seems so much more simpler on the GOP side.  At caucus, you elect delegates to the county and state convention.  There’s no voting at the county convention as to which candidates will be on the state wide ballot.  At our county conventions, you only vote on offices in which the boundries fall entirely within the county lines (State rep, sen, county offices, etc).

                Then you go to the state convention and cast your ballot.  No 15% rule to get on needed-all you need is someone to nominate you.

                Seems simpler.

                1. but as Will Rogers said: I don’t belong to an organized political party, I’m a Democrat.

                  Although, I will say, as a lifelong Dem sometimes the lack of organization gets to be abit old and not as funny as sometimes we would like to think – Will Rogers, or no.

                  Of course (no offense intended, Haners,) the option of being a Republican for me is not an option at all.

                  No snark and enjoy trading info and thoughts with you.

                  1. If it makes you feel better, the prospect of being a Democrat for me is equally un-appealing.

                    One last question though-which set of rules do you think is better and why? (without keeping in mind that one set is the Dems rules and the others ours)-  What I’m curious about is whether you think the 15% rule is bad because it makes it harder to get on the ballot or good to keep the crazies off?

                    Thanks!

                    1. Unless you have a large number of delegates per precinct, you’ll be needing 15% to get a delegate anyway.  So while it sounds a bit crazy having the additional qualification, it doesn’t change much in reality.

                      Anyone who plans to participate in the caucus process and can’t drum up 15% is not a serious candidate for that precinct IMHO, “crazy” or other reasons regardless.

                    2. and there always is the option of being nominated from the floor at assembly without getting 15%

                    3. The age old debate-which is better?  Easy ballot access, or using the ballot to sort through candidates?  A debate I’m sure won’t be resolved any time soon.

  3. I just got an email from this guy asking to be in the online debate. Has anyone ever heard of him and does he have even the ghost of a prayer?

    He says he got 47% of the primary vote in 2000 but I voted then and I don’t remember the name.

    If he’s real and credible I don’t want to block him out of the debate but if he’s a Kucinich/Gravel not a prayer, I don’t want to dilute the debate.

    HELP!

    1. for the “sanctity of marriage”.

      Owens joins the list of sanctimonious Republican, pro-family, leaders who, while opining on other peoples’ families and what should or should not constitute a family, have an inability to keep their own together.

      Proof, once more, that more of them really should take the bumper sticker advice of “Focus On Your Own Damned Family” to heart.

      1. He clearly tried and he clearly dropped out of running for anything in the future to work on his marriage. He tried. We’re all imperfect but he did work at it.

        I think we should leave him alone on this. He did not pull a Newt.

  4. http://www.westword.com/2008-0

    Full disclosure: I am not being paid by Muhammad Ali Hasan to post this. I do not know him, other than recognizing his name as someone who posts occasionally on Colorado Pols. I do not endorse him, but I, also, don’t have any axes to grind with him. I haven’t even read this article yet. Sheesh

    1. What a self absorbed child.  I agree his candidcacy shouldn’t be underestimated (money will do that in a small race), but wow.  Were state republicans really not satisfied with giving us Bruce?

  5. Reportedly, Ritter’s chief counsel threatened our Commission for the Abolition of Judicial Discipline with a lawsuit if the Commission didn’t accept a Ritter appointee in their scheduled meeting.  >> full article text >>

    Frankly, I think the whole “scandal” is moot. The friggin’ Commission doesn’t do anything, anyway.  It’s totally illusory and the only way to make it “worse” would be if they were hiring strippers, paid for with taxpayer dollars, to show up for Commission meetings.

    Add’l references:

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    Click here for a list of Commission members.  And click here for my previous diary regarding this Commission.

      1. and he seemed very contrite.  Basically he said I made some unfair statements about Hillary, people whose opinion I value told me I was being unreasonable and after listening to them I agree: I was unreasonable.

              1. It has been a disaster fiscally.  It destroys roads, schools and colleges.  In the long term it will hurt business as it destroys the infrastructure.

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