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December 28, 2007 04:40 PM UTC

Open Line Friday!

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The poorest people in America are better off

than the mainstream families of Europe.”

–Rush Limbaugh

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26 thoughts on “Open Line Friday!

    1.    The poorest people in America live on the streets of violent cities.  When did he say that?

        Probably after a few too many vicodins and viagras.

    2. Really. Does the term mainstream mean “middle class?” Or “average?” If average, is this based on income? Or consumption? Or savings rates? Or paid-vacation days?

      By using a term that is not well-defined (as far as I am aware) Flush can counter any evidence by claiming “oh, that’s not what I meant.”

      Thus, like much of the rest that comes out of his mouth, the statement is meaningless.

      And not worth any more of my time.

  1. “Big Fat Idiot.”

    His book of similar title is extremely well footnoted, BTW.

    I’ve know a fair number of Europeans living in American that chose to not become citizens so that in the worst possible health circumstances, they could fly home and get treated instead of relying on our so-called system.  

  2. Although I despise RL, he is probably referring to this publication: “EU VERSUS USA” by Fredrik BergstrГ¶m & Robert Gidehag, June 2004 (www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf) .

    The money quote is: “France, Italy and Germany have less per capita GDP than all but five of the states of the USA”. Pay special attention to: “Diagram 2:5. Per capita GDP in the states of the USA and in the EU 15 in 2001,  PPP-adjusted, index EU 15 = 100.”  on page 13.

    1. The book you’re referring to, but on the face of it, I have a hard time swallowing the suggestion that mainstream Europeans are WORSE OFF than America’s dirt poor homeless citizens.

      Besides, if you look at Rush’s history, it really wouldn’t be hard to build an argument that he’s essentially constructed his own reality, a part of which being the fallibility of Europeans in general. In other words, the guy is seriously deranged. I’d feel sorry for him if he wasn’t such an asshole.

      1. who gets the benefit of the GDP.  If  most of the benefit is concentrated in a tiny elite, the average person isn’t better off because of a higher GDP. Our higher average GDP, for instance, doesn’t buy the average American access to health care as good as that of average people in western Europe.  

        It’s the distribution, not the average, that tells the story.  Mexico, for instance, may have a higher average GDP post NAFTA, but the stream of Mexicans that have crossed into the US desperate for better paying work doesn’t suggest that the average Mexican citizen has benefited.  

        Here in the US, while the ultra rich have been getting exponentially richer, the middle class has actually lost ground by most measures, regardless of GDP.

    2. From the study:

      “…GDP is strictly a material yardstick, paying no regard, for example, to the value of leisure or a good environment. If people were induced to work twice as hard, GDP would rise, but of course this would not necessarily mean greater happiness and wellbeing for the individual. … Equality is another of the ‘intangible’ values which GDP does not take into account.”

      These guys work for the Swedish equivalent of the Independence Institute. You would expect them to play up the miracles of American crony capitalism and bash anything good about Europe, and in fact, that is what they do…

  3. So someone released a report documenting the top ten mail frankers in congress, but I can’t find information regarding were Colorado’s delegation stands.  I’ve searched, but no luck.  Anyone else run across that information?

  4. We are taxed to pay nearly $600B, and much more hidden dollars, for the “defense” of our country. Most of those dollars go to paying for extending and protecting the empire. The empire is protected to benefit the wealthy and the elite. The wealthy and the elite are paying less taxes, but they get all the benefit.

    Can someone explain?

        1. Any taxation scheme is unfair to some. It was merely fought over being able to vote for those that set the taxes – and we do have that.

          I share your frustration. But we have to sell the voting public on what needs to be done. I think one of the best steps is the push on DailyKos to primary the DINOs – that definitely gets attention.

          1. Prelude to Revolution

            1764 to 1775

            1764 – The Sugar Act is passed by the English Parliament to offset the war debt brought on by the French and Indian War and to help pay for the expenses of running the colonies and newly acquired territories. This act increases the duties on imported sugar and other items such as textiles, coffee, wines and indigo (dye). It doubles the duties on foreign goods reshipped from England to the colonies and also forbids the import of foreign rum and French wines.

            1764 – The English Parliament passes a measure to reorganize the American customs system to better enforce British trade laws, which have often been ignored in the past. A court is established in Halifax, Nova Scotia, that will have jurisdiction over all of the American colonies in trade matters.

            1764 – The Currency Act prohibits the colonists from issuing any legal tender paper money. This act threatens to destabilize the entire colonial economy of both the industrial North and agricultural South, thus uniting the colonists against it.

            1764 – In May, at a town meeting in Boston, James Otis raises the issue of taxation without representation and urges a united response to the recent acts imposed by England. In July, Otis publishes “The Rights of the British Colonies Asserted and Proved.” In August, Boston merchants begin a boycott of British luxury goods.

            1765 – In March, the Stamp Act is passed by the English Parliament imposing the first direct tax on the American colonies, to offset the high costs of the British military organization in America. Thus for the first time in the 150 year old history of the British colonies in America, the Americans will pay tax not to their own local legislatures in America, but directly to England.

            Under the Stamp Act, all printed materials are taxed, including; newspapers, pamphlets, bills, legal documents, licenses, almanacs, dice and playing cards. The American colonists quickly unite in opposition, led by the most influential segments of colonial society – lawyers, publishers, land owners, ship builders and merchants – who are most affected by the Act, which is scheduled to go into effect on November 1.

            I rest my case:-)

            h/t-Google

  5. “Dammit! Who put a question mark on the prompter? How many times do I have to tell you that he will read anything put on that prompter!”

    Huckabee said 660 Pakistanis entered the country illegally last year. When asked by a reporter the source for that statistic, Huckabee appeared unsure, saying, “Those are numbers that I got today from a briefing, and I believe they are CIA and immigration numbers.” The Huckabee campaign later said the figure came from a March 2006 report by The Denver Post. But the Border Patrol told CNN on Friday that it apprehended only “a handful” of illegal immigrants from Pakistan in 2007.

    Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican Iowa front-runner, Mike “Ron Burgandy” Huckabee!

    You stay classy, Little Rock.

    Remember way back when, how we decided nobody without extensive experience in (or at least understanding of) foreign affairs could ever be elected president? Riiiiiight . . .

    h/t Americablog

    Which of you Republicans are ready to vote for this candidate?

  6. As a former hunter, with impeccable experience and ethics, this is astounding:

    John posted a story from The Huckster’s hunting trip earlier this week, and now details of a disturbing incident that occurred that day are starting to come out. Apparently, Huckabee was asked by one of the reporters following him that day why he didn’t invite Dick Cheney along for the hunting trip and he joked, because he wanted to “survive all the way through this.” But, near the end of the hunt, as a pheasant got up and flew toward the onlooking reporters, Huckabee and his fellow hunters turned toward them, aimed and fired their guns right over their heads – a cardinal sin of hunting.

    Photo and more via The Washington Post:

    Around 9:30 a.m., before the rest of the candidates were set to spend the day crisscrossing the Hawkeye State, Huckabee took an hour and a half to hunt pheasant in Osceola, about an hour’s drive from Des Moines.

    The former Arkansas governor, who has surprised the rest of GOP field with his front-runner status here, was the first candidate to hold an event the day after Christmas. Flanked by about a dozen reporters, he wore a microphone from CNN as he went shooting, with Dude, his 3-year-old bird dog, and Chip Saltzman, his campaign manager, at his side.

    In the first 30 minutes, Huckabee, Saltzman and a friend shot three birds. Their last shot flew over the heads of reporters, one of whom cried out: “Oh my God! Oh my God! Don’t shoot. This is traumatizing.” Read on…

    As someone who almost lost a close family member in a hunting accident, this kind of mindless and ignorant behavior enrages me. In what can only be considered a huge gaffe by Huckabee, abandoning proper safety procedures and putting the lives of others at risk – just to show off in front of reporters – shows a profound lack of judgment on his part. This man wants to be our president and have control over our nuclear weapons. Don’t we get enough of this kind of behavior from our current president?

    h/t C&L

    1. .

      birdshot.

      depending on how far away the reporters were, the birdshot may have fallen to the ground 1/4 mile short of the gaggle.  

      Alternately,

      if the bird was flushed out and flew over the reporters,

      it may have kept going,

      and may have been shot after it moved away from the group.  

      In other words,

      without a lot more information,

      you sound like you’re trying to create a story where there isn’t one.  

      ……….

      I’ve had acquaintances killed on a grenade range right in front of me;

      had a supervisor hit by friendly mortar fire on Vieques;  

      and witnessed an instructor at Camp Mackall get powder burns all over his face when the spotting gun on a Carl Gustav recoilless misfired.  

      I’m a gun expert, and I’m afraid of guns.  

      These two go together.  

      You may be describing a very bad situation with the Huckster.

      But maybe not.

      Much more info needed.

      .

      1. You are an independent thinker.  You aren’t sucked in by your sub-culture, in this case, the military.  You understand the realities – and also the myths.

        Kudos.  

      2. You’re right. I wasn’t there. Nonetheless, I’ve stood next to a thousand shots at birds in my youth. I’ll stand by the thrust of this story. Let a reporter who was there dispute it.

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