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December 12, 2007 10:15 AM UTC

STOP HUCKABEE NOW

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  • by: NEWSMAN

I might want to revise my earlier statement that if Huckabee was the Republican nominee, I would vote for him. He just keeps steping in it.

I am asking myself how I can possibly vote for someone who expresses this kind of religious bigotry.

(AP) – Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”

The article, to be published in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn’t know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.

A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee’s question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.

“We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all,” said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. “That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”

Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said Romney will not debate candidates on their faith or question their faith.

“For those who want to know how Governor Romney’s faith informs his values, they can look at how he lives his life and how he has raised his family,” Madden said.

Earlier this month in Iowa, Huckabee wouldn’t say whether he thought Mormonism-rival Romney’s religion-was a cult.

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58 thoughts on “STOP HUCKABEE NOW

  1. .

    Question to the LDS participants in this community:

    does your church teach that authentic Christianity died out in Europe/ Asia/ Africa almost 2,000 years ago,

    and that LDS is the only true Christian faith ?  

    That’s something I’ve heard about your church,

    and it seems to be consistent with the little else I know about it.  

    If I’m right about this,

    then would you say that your church considers my church,

    the one that the New Testament says was established by Jesus, and continued to this day through “apostolic succession” (the Popes,)

    now called Roman Catholicism,

    to be a “cult ?”

    It wouldn’t bother me if the answer is “yes.”

    I expect that to be the case.

    So why get on my case when I characterize your church, or L. Ron Hubbard’s, or Charles Taze Russell’s, as a cult ?  

    .

      1. Many have long predicted that Romney’s Mormonism would prove a hindrance. It can only be that if many social cons who are not Mormons are bigoted and it’s clear that Huckabee is betting that they are. (Keep in mind that these were largely the same people who swallowed the McCain “black baby” line in 2000.)

        1. And wins the nomination, I’d be interested to see how Utah, Idaho, Nevada, and Arizona go.

          All have significant numbers of Mormons who typically vote heavily Republican.  If Republicans nominate someone preceived to be a religous bigot that hates Mormons we could see some surprises on election day.

          1. A) Mormon voters hold their nose and vote Huckabee

            B) Mormon voters hold their nose and vote for the Democrat

            C) Mormon voters say “screw it” and stay home

            D) God makes the Prophet president, and delivers OBL to Guantanamo just because He can

            1. Vote third party

              Whether that’s an exsisting party or another one, who knows.

              Other than “E”, “C” would probably be the next likely.

              Just to throw out some numbers…in 2004 Nevada cast 829,587 votes.  Bush carried Nevada 51-47%.  About 9% of Nevadans (??) are LDS and if that amount carried over to the election results, that means that LDS members cast approx. 74,662 votes.  Mormons are the best group for Republicans, they typically vote 88%-15% for Republicans.

              So in Nevada one could say that Mormons gave Bush 65,703 votes in a state that he won by 21,500 votes.  If you lower the amount of votes cast by Mormons in Nevada to 5%, Bush would have lost the state by about 17,000 votes.

              Rewind to 2000 and the same senario means Bush lost the electoral college with or without Florida.

              Aside from all the moral reasons why one should not bash another’s religion, it doesn’t make too much sense politically either

              1.      My guess is that Hillary stands a reasonable chance of carrying Nevada and Arizona with or without the Mormon-basher on the GOP ticket (remember, her husband carried Arizona in ’96 and Nevada in ’92), but I still don’t see Utah and Idaho ever going blue.

            2. That depends on whether you are Mormon Harry Reid, or Orrin Hatch.

              I think mostly A, and a few C’s is the likely course for conservative Mormon’s.

              L.D.S. are a forgiving people.  

              History shows they have had to be.

              My favorite answer is D. Wouldn’t that surprise those holier than thou types. The Atheists might want to re-consider that no praying on public property thing in that case too.  

            1. No.  But they could go for Reps by small enough margins to give a glimmer of hope for the Dems in that area.

              But Arizona could be more competitive then it usually is and Nevada would definately lean Dem


      2. Mike Huckabee is smooth on the campaign circuit, appealing to conservative Christians without alienating other kinds of voters. How long this will last is an open question. Huckabee the front runner is only now beginning to face new scrutiny.  A speech he gave in 1998 is likely to come up again. Addressing Southern Baptist pastors gathered at the Salt Palace Convention Center, Huckabee, then governor of Arkansas, said that he “got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives … I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.”

        Many will remember that this 1998 meeting of Baptists in Salt Lake City where Huckabee spoke had the intent of proselytizing Mormons to become “Born Again”

        That Huckabee, as a Political figure (governor at the time) would participate in a convention in Utah with such anti-Mormon messaging may tell us where he really stands on Mormonism.

        More coverage of the convention here.

        http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/j

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/

        http://www.baptiststandard.com

        http://cnview.com/news_service

        Two religions are colliding in Salt Lake City. More than 10,000 Southern Baptists are invading the Mormon stronghold during their annual convention June 9-11. The meeting takes place in the Salt Palace Convention Center, across the street from the Mormon Temple.

        …The convention is almost secondary to what is going on around it. Baptists are evangelizing the city with an extensive campaign before and after the meeting. Some 3,000 Baptists are canvassing 140,000 homes door-to-door in 18 neighborhoods. (Excerpts from Religion News Today)

        http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f

        http://www.shields-research.or

        http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/

        1. To paraphrase the words of Ronald Regan.

          The trouble with our “Arkansas friend” is not that he is ignorant, but that he knows so much that isn’t so.  

        2. I usually try and read every post, but there are too many links.

          This is where my ignorance comes into play. How is proselytizing a city that is predominantly one religion a sign that he is anti-mormon. In the two passages you quoted, I see nothing that is inherently anti-mormon.

          I guess, to me, it is profoundly ironic that you find proselytizing, something which both religions in question consider tenets of their faith, to be anti-religion. Of course, to a certain degree, proselytizing is a sort of affront to the person being proselytized to, but I fail to see how that is anti-mormon.

          On another point, a person who is proselytizing, or a person who is on a mission, does not need to know anything about the person or persons they are talking to. It has been my experience that they in fact dont care where you stand, only if you are receptive to the message.

          1. This is a non-issue.  Politics and religion should not intertwine to this extent unless there is a direct political tie in.  

            If Romney had made a speech 10 years ago about wanting to convert Baptists to Mormons it wouldn’t make me think less of him.  In fact, I would expect people with strong religious convictions to be proselytizing.  If you truly believe that you know how to attain salvation, wouldn’t it be logical that you would want to share that with others?  

            This is a total non-issue.  Huck apologized for his comments, Romney accepted the apology, lets get back to deciding who can win in November.

          2. Having a convention of a religion other than LDS in Salt Lake City is not anti-anything. (A good case could be made that the convention was good for the Mormons are about 50% of the SLC area population is LDS, so when the local economy is benefited all benefit etc.)

            Below is my point:

            Kind of makes hollow Huckabee’s claim that he does not know much about Mormon’s

            Huck’s claim that he doesn’t know much about it does not ring true for me.

            I for one am disappointed, as Huckabee was among my top 3 picks for the GOP nomination.  This latest incident, coupled with revelations on Huck’s  poor record on fiscal issues have caused me to re evaluate Huckabee, and put him in the same “last resort” column as Rudy.

            HUCKABEE is NO CONSERVATIVE http://www.washingtonpost.com/

            1. How long was this conference? For the sake of argument lets say he was there for a week (7 days). I have spents weeks in foreign countries, but that does not mean I know much about the countries. I even did research before I went, but that still does not mean that I know much about them.

              I could talk about magic underwear, magic hats, gold plates, Illinois, sand creek, but that does not mean I know much about mormonism.

              I got to be honest, I am having a real hard time believing that this has moved Huck from top three to last resort. Yes, you do qualify it with, as you put it,

              revelations on Huck’s  poor record on fiscal issues

              but it seems to me this is an issue on equal footing with you “revelations.”

        3. I’m sorry NEWSMAN, but who in the name of Brigham Young remembers this outside of the state of Utah?  

          And is there something wrong with Baptists “proselytizing” Mormons?  I remember being woken up almost every Saturday of my childhood by the gang of bike riding Mormons banging on our door at 7 or 8am even though they were well aware our family was Catholic.  Was that anti-Catholic of them?  Was it wrong?  No, they were just doing their “jobs,” so to speak.

          I’m sorry Huck isn’t Lamborn-esque enough for you; but, if you want to attack him, come up with something better than this…

          1. But I remember this convention.  These conventions are typically anti-mormon or anti-catholic depending on which one they target.  I don’t see anything that Huckabee said that is down right anti Mormon, but it makes me uneasy that he went.  Comparing attendance to this event and just giving a speech about your faith isn’t comparing apples to apples.  As a former missionaries who served in Baptist areas in Southern states I can tell you that some of these meetings (not this one but these kinds of meetings in general) villify Mormons, Catholics, JWs, etc to the same degree in which the KKK villifies Jews and blacks.  Meetings like this typically aren’t about building their own faith as much as making others think they’re going to hell if they even as much as associate with us.

            That being said, I don’t know if this particular meeting was like others that I’ve seen.  I wasn’t there and this doesn’t change my views on Huckabee.  But it makes me very uneasy that he was there.

            1. I wish we didn’t have to take time to discuss this.  I really really wish that whatever someone’s particular religion is wasn’t playing such a big role in this cycle.  Nothing good can come from this sort of back and forth or division between Mormons and Baptists over what is a political campaign.  

              It doesn’t bother me that Huckabee is a Baptist, so I don’t get why the hell it should matter that Romney is a Mormon?

              It’s just stupid to make such an important choice like selecting a president over something like religion  

              1. Though, I do think there is some room for discussion about one’s religion, wayyyy to much time has been spent on it so far this cycle.  I think is has a lot to do with the lack of info people have on the LDS Church.  I sure as hell don’t know much about Mormons. For all I know, that episode of South Park about them is entirely correct (I’m kidding of course).  And for that matter, I don’t know much about Baptists either.  A dozen years of Catholic school is still taking it’s toll…

                As for the event itself, I really have to wonder if Iowans care all that much.  The final Repub debate was really telling of the MSM’s lack of understanding when it comes to Iowa voters and caucus-goers.  Almost everything I’ve read critiques the debate as boring and narrow in scope.  But read the perspective of people inside Iowa and it was fine (save for David Yepsen, aka Iowa Political god, feeling the candidates didn’t have enough time to fully answer q’s).  Having spent 6 months there last time ’round, Iowans seem to care about Iowa, not what may or may not have gone on 10 years ago at a Baptist conference…  

                Anyway, I’m rambling now…trying to avoid going out in the snow.  Good points as usual ,Haners.

    1. If I may.  I’m not sure if anyone else here is LDS.

      Yes, our church teaches that the church that Christ established fell away during an apostacy.  Many teachings remained, so were injected with incorrect philosophies, etc.

      We believe that Christ’s church was restored by Joseph Smith.

      So yeah, we believe our church is the only true church.

      But so what?  Why would you go to a church that doesn’t believe that it’s right?  Catholics, Baptists, Methodists and all the other churches I know of believe that they’re correct.  So I don’t see what’s so strange about that.

      In regards to your other question about whether we believe other churches, religions, etc are cults the answer is no.  Not just “no”, but

      NO!

      We believe that other religions have great things to offer, and respect their right to worship as they see fit.  And everything that I’ve ever been taught has indicated that when the dust settles at the last day that good and honorable Christ loving people from all religions will be there.  We don’t maintain that any other religions are cults, evil, “hell-bound”, or anything along those lines.  

      That would require us to step into the judgement role reserved for God.  And I don’t know of any sane Mormon who is comfortable with that prospect.

      Hope that answers your question!

      1. but I think this is both stupid and shows bad things about Huckabee.  While I have major religious issues with the LDS church, I have precious few (if any) political disagreements.  This is a political debate and Romney’s religion should not come into the argument unless his religion directly impacts his political views or indicates how he will govern.  Huckabee’s statements have nothing to do with how Romney would govern and therefore it is a completely irrelevant and disgusting attack.

        1. Disagreement is one thing, prejudice another.  If you disagree with my faith I don’t hold that against you or anyone else.  I can respect an honest disagreement.  But any time that disagreement turns into prejudice…well then we have a problem!

          When I make decision about who to vote for, I don’t look to see if the candidate agrees with me on religion, I look at if they agree with me on the issues and has a strong moral compass.  As such, I agree with Mitt Romney on issues and religion, so that’s a plus.  But I wouldn’t ever vote for Harry Reid even though we agree on religion.

          It saddens me to have Romney’s religion be an obstacle.  I honestly thought we were beyond that.

          1. but I saw this coming a while ago.  Sadly, I am not sure that evangelicals are ready for a Mormon yet even though he may be the best candidate.  In this case, I am starting to think that the Mormon is most in line with my political views and thus the best candidate.

            By the way, my issues with the LDS church are purely ones of religious doctrine.  It’s not at all personal as I have liked nearly every LDSer I have met.

            1. It’s nothing personal towards Mormon people.  I can respect not agreeing with the doctrine just like you respect me even though I don’t agree with yours! (whatever religion you are…:-)  )

              1. I guess would be the closest.  But as I always say, we should leave religion to churches unless there is a good reason to bring it into this arena.  BTW, I got in a huge debate about religion last week with Brave Sir Robin and a couple other folks.  I was hoping you would jump in but I never saw you.  Did you miss it or were you just abstaining?

                  1. But it was two weeks ago (November 28th I think).  BSR and I got into it over some scripture quoting he did.  It was a great debate and it would have been nice to have you along.  See if you can go back that far to read it because we had a dandy one going for a few days.

    2. Thank you all for your comments, both left and right.  Now that others have weighed in, let me explain what I meant by my provocative headline, and What and Why Mike Huckabee must stop.

      Mike is violating the commandment.

      No, not necessarily those written thousands of years ago on tablets of stone by the hand of god. (But maybe that ” Love thy neighbor” one could use some work).

      The commandment I am referring to is Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment:



      “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.”

      Huck is doing damage to himself, Mitt, and the entire party.  I think he should carefully read Mr. Romney’s speech on religion.  

      It is not only a wise political guideline, it is the “Christian” thing to do.(and many other religions and societies codes of conduct).  More importantly for the election context, It is the American thing to do.

      btw. Those concerned with what it may mean to non Mormons to have someone of the Mormon faith in the White House. I have heard it suggested that perhaps Romney’s not all that strict a Mormon, and that would be better for the rest of us some how.

      I take the opposite view.  I hope Mr. Romney takes his faith very seriously for lots of good reasons.  I’ll share just one.

      As a student of history and religion, I take comfort in what I know about my Mormon neighbors, and the LDS faith.

      Mormon’s have 13 Articles of Faith.  You might be interested in Article 11 and 12.

      11.  We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

      12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.  

         

      LDS Articles of Faith > http://www.lds.org/library/dis

      Now as for me, I hope my next President, Republican or Democrat, believes in the principle’s stated in those two Articles, regardless of which church they attend.

      NEWSMAN

      1. this is a serious question for you.  You have correctly criticized Huck for what he has done.  Please tell me how you can do that and justify what Doug Lamborn and his supporters did in the last election.  This is my biggest beef with Lamborn, and it seems that we both agree that Reagan was right on the 11th commandment.  I am really curious and would like a candid answer of how you can criticize Huck for doing this but support Lamborn.

        1. 1. I am not addressing actions “by his supporters” in regard to Huckabee.  I am addressing Huckabee’s actions.

          2. Lamborn did not say Jeff Cranks religion believes in eating their young.

          The CC a 527, (which the candidate is PROHIBITED from directing or coordinating with) criticized some votes and statements from Mayor Rivera and Mr. Crank.  I believe the Mayor’s votes were fair game.  I think the overall idea of the piece may have been appropriate, but the execution was tasteless.

          Doug Lamborn did not “approve this message”.

          1. Lamborn did not at all distance himself from the 527s. In fact, the brother of his campaign manager runs one of them.  Furthermore, when asked the sign a campaigning with integrity pledge, Lamborn declined.  This pledge stated that candidates would publicly denounce false ads made on their behalf by their supports.  That is not only legal, it is the moral thing to do.  

            We both know that if Lamborn had wanted to stop those ads he could have done it both legally and practically.  But instead he has still courted the CFG and CCC which indicates he believes they are ethical and their tactics are fair.  

            1. Let’s not confuse “ethical” with “legal.” Even if you buy that CCC acted with no collusion with Lamborn’s campaign (a highly credulous supposition, IMHO, given the Hotaling brothers connection), it’s not like Lamborn had no recourse but to throw his hands in the air and say “They said it, not me.” (And as robert points out he didn’t even do that.)

              If character matters, Lamborn’s inaction demonstrates an area where Doug needs to improve.

                1. CFG runs factual ads that expose the statements and voting records of those CFG sees as not supporting their cause.  

                  They also point out and support the records and statements of those they feel do support their principles.

                  I support the club for growth.

                  Now tell me what this has to do with Huckabee.

                  1. so this now has very little to do with the Huckmeister.

                    So let me clarify, you think that the wedding cake mailer was factually correct and complied with the 11th commandment?  A yes or no answer will suffice.

                    1. 1) If I wasn’t clear, let me be clear,

                      I DO NOT support the Christian Collation.

                      I did not receive a copy of the ad.

                      I saw reports in the paper, and think it was tasteless.  Was it accurate?  Maybe.

                      Doesn’t make it any less tasteless.

                      2) The 11th commandment doesn’t apply here.

                      The CFG and the CC are not candidates, and NO, the rule DOES NOT apply to them.  They are advocacy groups.  Their job is to advocate for their cause.

                      I can’t wait to hear what you have to say about my latest post on the house vote to recognize Christmas and Christianity.

                    2. I have always wanted to know how Lambornites justified this.  Now I know.

                      So if Jeff Crank is supported by a 527 that sends out fliers saying that he routinely gets drunk at lobbying parties, that would be okay.  Just wanted to be clear that you would not mind that since it would not be breaking the 11th commandment; and, unlike the attack on Crank and other candidates, is based in documented truth.

                    3. The CFG and the CC are advocacy groups.  Their job is to advocate for their cause.

                      Its your job to consider the source, evaluate the material presented and make your choice.

                      I won’t blame Crank or Lamborn in the next campaign for things the 527’s will say.

                      I will blame John Mc Cain.

                    4. I’ll give you that even thought I disagree with you on this one.  I blame McCain as well for all of this, but personally I like it when a candidate steps up and denounces this type of behavior.  

                      It shows a lot of moral courage and leadership to tell someone who supports you to knock it off even if it risks their support.  That is what I want to see in candidates for the Republican party in all races.  I feel that we dont have enough of that today and that too many Republicans are hiding behind technical rules and not standing true to their values.  It’s one thing to follow the law, it’s another thing to do the right thing when doing the wrong thing is allowed by law.

    3. For Conservatives, this quote by respected conservative Robert Novak may be more concerning than Huck’s alledged anti-Mormon comment.

      There is no doubt about Huckabee’s record during a decade in Little Rock. He was regarded by fellow Republican governors as a compulsive tax-and-spender.

      He increased the Arkansas tax burden 47 percent, boosting the levies on gasoline and cigarettes.

      When he lost 100 pounds and decided to press his new lifestyle on the American people, he was hardly being a Goldwater-Reagan libertarian.

      As a presidential candidate, Huckabee has sought to counteract his reputation as a taxer by pressing for replacement of the income tax with a sales tax. More recently he signed the no-tax-increase pledge of Americans for Tax Reform.

      But Huckabee simply does not fit within normal boundaries of economic conservatism, such as when he criticized President Bush’s veto of a Democratic expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Calling global warming a “moral issue” mandating “a biblical duty” to prevent climate change, he has endorsed a cap-and-trade system that is anathema to the free market.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/

      1. Ok, so Huck isn’t a real conservative.  

        GWB isn’t one; look at the crazy spending he allowed the Repub and now Dem Congress to slide through.

        GHWB wasn’t one…and even if you consider him to be so, the voters booted him out after one term.

        Reagan wasn’t one.  Need I mention more that the insane deficit?

        Ford wasn’t one.  Most repubs would call him a RINO if he was a politician in current times (perhaps not you…but many would).

        Nixon wasn’t one.  Again, RINO.

        So, in the last 30+ years, the voters of this country have never wanted a “true conservative” as President.

        Thus, my question to you NEWSMAN is, why are you so intent on bashing Huck (and Rudy…but moreso Huck) when they fit the build of the type of Repubs that tend to get elected President?  Do you really think a real conservative could even win?  Maybe one can…but the last few decades don’t suggest it.

        1. On your definition of Conservative.

          Rich Lowery agrees with me on Huckabee.

          http://article.nationalreview….

          In general, the public tends to support Democratic proposals for bigger government, which Republicans counter by saying that the proposals will require higher taxes. Huckabee will be equipped poorly to make this traditional Republican comeback, given his tax-raising history in Arkansas. Huckabee tries to compensate with a sales-tax scheme that allows him to say he supports eliminating the IRS, but is so wildly implausible that it would be a liability in a general election.

          Then, there’s national security, the Republican trump card during the Cold War and after 9/11. Huckabee not only has zero national-security credentials, he basically has no foreign-policy advisers either, as a New York Times Magazine piece this Sunday makes clear. In a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in September, Huckabee struck notes seemingly borrowed from Barack Obama, hitting the Bush administration for its “bunker mentality” and strongly supporting direct talks with Iran. A foreign-policy debate with a Democratic nominee would be a competition over who can promise to be nicer to foreign countries.

          None of this is a winning formula.

          By MY definition,

          Ronald Reagan was a Conservative.

          George W. Bush ran as a conservative, but his record is mixed.  Tax policy, Supreme Court, and some social issues, he fits my conservative label.

          On spending requests and not vetoing bloated spending he does not.  On other social issues he was Moderate to liberal to some degree.

          Mitt Romney fits my definition of a conservative, although some of his statements and record as Mass. Governor would not, most would.

          For me, Ronald Reagan is the best model.  His tax policy (with a hostile Democrat congress) and its underlying principles of lower and simpler rates are a good goal.

          A flat tax or a sales tax are interesting ideas (eliminating the IRS has a nice ring to it), but they are so close to impossible in the current climate that they are just campaign attention getters, not real possibilities. Now making the Bush cuts permanent, eliminating the inheritance tax, and the AMT is do-able.

          A big task, but possible.

          For now, I am leaning toward Romney.

          Romney/Rice sounds like a good ticket to me.

          But I am not set in stone yet. I am still looking and listening.

          1. Thanks for your response.  I find your take on Bush’s conservatism interesting.  I never though he ran as much of a conservative.  Mind you, I’m not a repub…but I was never put-off by Bush in 2000 when he ran as a “compassionate conservative” the same way Romney and Thompson rub me the wrong way.  Were it not for Iraq, I think I actually would have liked Bush to a certain extent.  Not enough to vote for him over a Dem…but if I was questioned in an approval poll of some sort, I probably would have said I approved.

            And I find this debate over changing or scrapping the IRS absolutely ridiculous.  Sure, it should be simpler…perhaps even flatter…but as you say, these “attention getters” are just dumb…

            One final question though (Growing up in Berkeley and now living in Boulder, real live conservatives are hard to find and ask questions).  Why are you against the inheritance tax?  I’m one of the handful of Dems (outside of the south) that is against it as well…but in all honesty, it’s because I’ll be one of the few people actually affected by it when my parents kick-off.  Just wondering…

            1. Because it is a destroyer of small business.

              I have seen families literally forced to sell a going company a family worked decades to build, because the major stockholder, or in a proprietorship, the proprietor dies.

              A similar thing also happened to family and friends in the Midwest with family farms.

              And, it is one of the most unfair acts of double taxation in many average middle class voters minds.

    1. I don’t know which is worse…the 178 year-old McCain or Mitt’s special underwear…

      I knew there was a reason I could never vote for any of the Repubs running…  😛

    2. Man, I don’t often use that word, but it is appropriate here.  Trying to raise fears about brown folks dancing with your (presumably) white farm daughter!  

      Then the slam against Rudy’s indicted and gay friends.  Wow, I didn’t know that there was a connection.

      And against the Mormons and their temple underwear..

      Not quite David Duke, but close!

      If this is the work of a 527 Huckabee needs to state in no uncertain terms that he disagrees with this message.  If not, he accepts a responsibility.  

      1. Do you seriously think this is “the work of a 527?”  It’s a freakin’ parody…it’s satire…it’s the work of a computer savvy guy w/ too much free time and a blog.

        Here’s the anti Huckabee one.

        And remember, “Mitt Romney is opposed to giant, gay, flesh-eating rats.  Mike Huckabee loves them.”

  2. This should be a non-issue.  The political differences between Southern Baptists and LDS are pretty much nill.  Huck’s stock has gone way down in my book over this.  

  3.    As many of you know, I’m not a big Mitt Romney fan.  But this latest stunt by Huck and the nut cases who are advising him is so outrageous that even I almost feel sorry for Romney.

      Almost, that is.  Romney’s problem is that he is trying to appeal to the evangelical conservatives, so it should have come as no surprise that some of their more fanatical and bigoted members would rise up with something like this.  You play with fire and sometimes you get burned…

      I’m not sure that we’ve heard the last word on this yet.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a full 90 minute GOP debate on the issue of whether LDS Church members are Christians, and if so, where they fit in the pecking order of Christianity.  Perhaps Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and Jimmy Swaggert could serve on the panel of moderators.  

      I would also not be surprised to see a section in the GOP platform next summer setting out those theological doctrines to which good Republicans and Christians must adhere.  

  4. ..”When he was governor, Huckabee held the following positions on illegal immigration:

    He supported higher education benefits for children of illegal immigrants, opposed a federal roundup of illegals from his state in 2005, opposed a 2001 bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote in the state, and in 2001, a member of his administration pushed for legislation to grant driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants..”.

    ” He raised my Taxes more than Bill Clinton.”

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