After last night’s YouTUBE debate among Democratic Presidential contenders, what was already obvious became even more so: This is a three person race. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards stood out in previous debates, and after several weak performances Barack Obama finally turned in a strong effort.
What do you think? Are we unofficially at the final three, or is there still room for another?
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Hillary definitely has the advantage, as long as she is the only woman and there are seven men in the race. It’s hard to see how Dodd or Biden makes a real run at anything, while Kucinich is just playing to the Democratic fringe and Gravel is just kind of nuts, though in a cute grandfatherly way.
Clinton and Edwards definitely have it right that these debates would be much more valuable if you cut out those who can’t break double digits in any state.
By that measure, Richardson would remain in the hunt, since he is now hitting double digits in New Hampshire.
a strong possibility for VP. As strong as Biden was this time around, I do think we are into the final three if Gore doesn’t jump in. Debates can only take you so far without big money so the lower tier candidates have little chance of advancing beyond a shot at VP in the absence of a spectacular crash and burn on the part of one or more of the top three.
I still don’t see how Dems could lose with Gore. All he would need to do would be to win by more than he won by in 2000, preventing another steal by bloodless coup, which should be easy enough in today’s political climate.
I just don’t see Gore getting in. It was still a possibility if we were talking last spring, but I think that bus as left now.
Last spring was when all the junior kiddies were joining in. Gore is a VERY senior here. He already has a name. More importantly, he is getting more press play than the others by trying to push us on Global Warming AND Iraq. The best way to tell? Check his weight. If it is dropping, then he will be running. If it is still high (even for him), then he does not care.
Sadly, far too many of today’s Americans are into looks and money rather than then intelligence and leadership. After all, how did reagan or W. get elected? Neither was very bright. Gore has something that most of the others do not have; intelligence.
If it gets hot enough down here Gore can wear one of those rubber suits and just sweat off all the weight like a high school wrestler trying to make weight.
especially after the arrest of his son. Not that I think that would prevent his election (look at Bill Clinton’s brother) but it may well have firmed his inclination NOT to run. A lot of people still hope for a Gore run, though.
Gore actually expressed an opinion when asked by Diane Sawyer on just how late someone experienced like him could expect to be able to enter the race. His answer: this coming November.
Gore could still get in and succeed. If he follows his own timetable, he’d have to jump in *before* the Nobel Peace Prize was announced – an award that he’s been nominated to receive. Could he do it? Yes. Would I be interested in that if he did? Certainly. Is it likely? I give it a 30% chance.
He lost once and would definately lose again and he knows it.
Besides, he is making way too much money being a hypocrite with his “sky is falling” global warming scare tactic speeches and movies.
Why would he want to arm wrestle with a scorned bitch like Mrs William Clinton?
🙂
He can tell us how he really feels. 🙂
You know what’s sad? It took me reading your post twice before I caught my mistake
Nap time?
…and I was making a decision based solely on my 2000 results, I’d be in it in a heartbeat.
Gore won the popular vote by 1/2 million votes in 2000. Had all votes in Florida been properly counted, he would have won the Presidency outright. He knows what he did wrong back then, and he’s gotten a lot of good name recognition since then.
I think it’s completely up to what he sees in the political landscape come the Fall. I think he’d rather not run, but still doesn’t know…
But he just doesn’t seem interested in getting back into the game. Maybe it’s because he knows he couldn’t beat Hilary, maybe he’s having more fun making gobs of money talking about global warming. But it just doesn’t seem to me like he has the fire he used to have
Gore won. According to then Florida SOS Katherine Harris a full recount of Florida would have resulted in his taking Florida and winning the electoral as well as popular vote. She was very pleased with herself for her role in preventing any such thing and took her reward when she went for congress. By the time she wanted the senate seat she had used up her chips.
President Bush was essentially appointed to the presidency in 2000 by a 5 to 4 party line Supreme Court decision considered so shaky even by the justices making the decision that they took the extraordinary step of stipulating that the decision should not be viewed as setting a precedent. Since the grounds was lack of consistency in the re-count method in a nation that has never had consistent vote counting OR recounting methods from one county to the next, a precedent would have made any future election, absent a multi-billion dollar nationwide overhaul, impossible.
This time around Gore could easily win by enough to make the election impossible to steal. But he probably won’t run so it’s all academic.
We have been over this many times in the 3 or so years I’ve been tag teamed here.
Uh, if Gore did win, why is Bush our president? You guys can come up with every excuse under the sun. The fact of the matter is Gore did NOT win.
If he did, he would have put in his four years and promptly been run out of town on a rail.
Hanging chads, un-counted voter cards, etc don’t mean shit.
Gore is and always will be a loser.
Oh……
Love, Gecko
Seriously. Bush “won”, but he didn’t win under any rules recognized by sane people without a partisan agenda.
First, Bush goes to the Supreme Court and says “I’m going to be irrevocably harmed if there’s a hand ballot recount,” and the Supremes accept that? There are two parties in an election, and Gore stood to be irrevocably harmed because the recount was halted. One might argue that pre-emptively halting the recount while a decision was made by the SCOTUS was even more harmful. (After all, what harm is there in a recount if you’re later told to just use the old numbers?)
The Supreme Court had no business getting involved in the election process and their reasoning was so bad even they disclaimed it from setting precedent. The balance of harm rule was not obeyed in granting cert or in the decision itself. Also, the election process didn’t need the SCOTUS to intervene – both the Florida Legislature and the US Congress could have selected Bush within the bounds of election law. The only difference is, the SCOTUS 5 gave the election the taint of legitimacy.
The truth is the Florida election went for Gore.
The people of Florida wanted to elect him. A post-election analysis looked at several recount methods – you can go find that analysis online. Under the recount requested by Gore, he would have lost, but under the complete statewide recount ordered by the FL courts, Gore would have won – either using the conservative evaluation methods requested by Bush or using the “benefit of the doubt” methods requested by Gore. I think we can agree that a statewide recount would have been the proper choice, yes?
Beyond the recount, even Pat Buchanan admits that most of the Jewish community in Palm Beach didn’t really want to vote for him, but rather for Gore; there were more than enough votes in the screwed up butterfly ballot to have made Gore the President. Then there’s the voter de-registration drive by Harris and other issues…
I still don’t understand the conservative view that the recount should not go forward. A recount is accepted election practice; going against it violates my sense of rationality.
If it all hadn’t been some banana republic election like everyone keeps claiming, you might have to vote for that evil hawk Joe Lieberman next year.
What gets me every time I read this debate is that ANYONE would defend the way the 2000 election was settled. You know why? Because every ‘pub who says they’re satisfied with how it was settled would be the ones screaming to the sky that Bush was robbed if the exact same scenario had played out with the roles reversed (Bush with slight majority of popular vote and probable slight majority of the one state that tipped the balance in the electoral vote except for Supreme Court intervention halting recount).
Personally, I’m way over it but I thought I’d comment on the hypocrisy of the defenders of Bush v. Gore.
Because with Gore as president we would have taken the exact same steps that the PNAC crowd took with regards to Iraq.
Haven’t heard that scary conspiracy lately. Good one!
And thanks for ducking my point too. Awesome.
…I know you are smart enough to differentiate between “winning” and “got/won the popular vote.” There is a difference, just like the three men before him who lost on the same electoral college procedure.
At least the other three didn’t need a partisan court to select the opponents.
could get the “scorned bitch” support, then she’d be able to staff a capaign office just from the “scorned bitches” left behind by the leaders of the Republican Party….two from Guiliani, one from McCain, three from Gingrich, three from Limbaugh, one from F. Thompson.
That would be enough to set her up another capaign office in Iowa or New Hampshire anyway…
…although I’m increasingly thinking that he won’t run. Weight loss and all. But he still hasn’t stated that fact in absolutes like he did in 2004. For a brilliant man like Gore, that fact is not an error.
If gore was going to run Donna would know. She had refrained from supporting anyone hoping that Gore would enter. She is pretty clearly supporting Obama now. I think its a clear sign gore isn’t going to run.
The only way gore runs is in the unlikely event of a brokered convention.
If anything changes on the Gore front.
OK if I spell it slightly differently?
Possibly, just possibly, Obama would recognize Gore’s massive C.V. and understand that as VP he would be in a hell of an place to learn for 2016.
Sixteen years!
I too feel this would be a winning ticket AND solve the experience problem for the young Obama. First Black VP would be a great historic achievement in its own right and a high profile Vice Presidency would set him up for a much easier run at the Presidency. By that time, he could pay it forward, so to speak, and pick a woman VP
..is definitely fringe, although I’ve long liked his positions. But when he said that he would support reparations for the descendents of slaves, he lost what little bit I liked about him.
once again showed that if anyone should be able to break into the top tier, it is him.
I would say that he and Hillary performed best.
I disagree with the assessment that Obama turned in a strong effort. He totally blew the answer to the question about meeting with Iran, Syria, North Korea etc., and Hillary made him look foolish with her more reasoned answer–especially when she said she would not be used for anyone’s propoganda. Obama looked junior league next to her.
Obama seemed a little to quick on the draw. I have a hard time believing that he was planning on meeting with all those dictators on his own. He was saying what he thought the crowd wanted to hear without thinking it through.
I am sure there will be numerous twists this fall and we should keep all these candidates in focus so the discussion involves as many ideas as possible. I believe fewer candidates involved means more politics and less policy diversity. We will have enough time with only two or three candidates come Feb 2008 into the summer of 2008. I look forward to John, Hillary and Barack carrying significant delegate numbers through the summer into Denver!
Bruce
She kicked butt again.
We’ll be using it quite a bit over the next 9 1/2 years…
just to listen to Gecko froth at the mouth for the next decade, particularly since he can’t seem to bring himself to be civil when he speaks of her.
…will choke on his on bile November 6, 2008. The EMT’s won’t be able to save him.
(Hope not, just yanking your drive belt, Gecko.)
So what’s with none of the Democrats going to the DLC conference. Despite what most Dem activists think, the MAJORITY of Democrats in this country are moderates or conservatives, NOT liberals. But no one seems to want to go after that segment of the vote. Richardson should go whole hog for the middle of the road voters, and let the rest of the bunch learn the hard way that Democrats are not majority liberal.
Just to be clear, I’m not a Richardson supporter. I’m an Edwards guy.