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February 15, 2024 01:25 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master.”

–Ernest Hemingway

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14 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. Some lessons need to be relearned.  "Listen, then talk".  Newly elected Rep. Suozzi appears to have learned, other Democratic candidates should too.

    “We’re going to talk about what people will listen to,” Kennedy explained. “You have to get them listening by talking about what they’re interested in, before you can start trying to persuade them about other matters.”

    When politicians tell voters to stop caring about an issue, voters often hear it as a sign of disrespect. People rarely vote for a candidate who doesn’t seem to respect them.

    1. Excellent observation. One of the current perceptions of the leftist Democratic party as represented by AOC and others is the prevelance of a "top down" ideology which fosters an elitist ruling mentality often resented by average Americans. A case in point would be the New Green Deal mandates handed down from on high when average Americans have had little input on the formulation of such policy but are the ones who have to abide by  (and pay) for. Of greater concern to the average American isn't a gas stove but the ability to put food on the table and make the mortgage or rent payment.

      1. I think that's the same reason house republicans voted a second time to impeach Mayorkas this week. It's what everyday Americans really care about.

        1. "It's what everyday Americans really care about."

          Maybe not ALL everyday Americans but certainly those who watch Fox News and vote in GOP primaries.

      2. Was just having a conversation this morning with a friend about the high costs of cheap shit.  Coal power for decades got to claim "cheap power" for decades even though tue socialized negative externalities aren't considered. Ditto for cheap sugar and the long-term societal costs of obesity and diabetes. "Cheap" water in the west under a "use it or lose it" scheme probably fits, too.  VOCs from BTZ in liquid fuels certainly fits.  Dem policies generally have a cost reduction benefit to society as a whole and we do a shitty job telegraphing that benefit because we can't fit the solution on a bumper sticker.  With far too many having the attention span of a gnat we're faced with the dilemma of just using facts and science to drive good economic policy when we hold the majorities to do so, or just surrender to the vocal minority that has zero interest in solving any issue. 

  2. Well, there's good news and bad news …..

    Trump's Criminal Hush Money Trial to Begin on March 25: Live Updates – The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    The good news is that Trump's hush money case is going to trial.

    The bad news is that Trump's hush money case is going to trial first.

    What Alvin Bragg has going for him:  the perfect venire pool for jury selection and a sympathetic judge.

    What Alvin Bragg has going against him:  a complicated legal theory based upon the testimony and credibility of a disbarred former attorney and a porn star.

    Meanwhile, the Georgia election interfence case – which on paper, should be a slam dunk – has made the successful transition from Court TV to becoming a soap opera.

    1. The inaccurate business records at the base of the New York case are pretty clear and straightforward.  There is no doubt Trump and his organization labeled reimbursements as "legal fees" and claimed the business expense on his tax returns.

      Two questions will be tested:

      1. Did the inaccurate record-keeping happen because of the election (the prosecution's position) or Trump's concern for keeping the "lies" about his liaisons from his family & friends?
      2. If the records were incorrect because of the election, is there some aspect of that which is illegal, and thus justifies bumping the business records case from a misdemeanor to a felony charge?

      The criminal standard of proof, as every TV watcher knows, is "beyond a reasonable doubt."  Will a NY jury come to a unanimous version that Trump's view (or what his lawyers will SAY is his view, since he probably won't testify himself) isn't reasonable?

  3. Got my Colorado primary ballots yesterday and look forwarding to returning the Republican ballot tomorrow.

    Proud to say that I am voting for Nikki Haley. Haley in March, Biden in November.

    So it turns out that I'm voting for a woman of color for president before La Pomposa does!

  4. "Eastman is quite a piece of work". Josh Marshall at TPM.

     the third and final installment of our series on the Ken Chesebro document trove. The third installment goes into new detail on the lawyer/conspirators’ efforts to game out which members of the Supreme Court were most likely to go along with their plot to steal the presidential election. As you might expect, Thomas and Alito come in for special consideration.

    A part that was most interesting to me was a point that coup plotter John Eastman made in an interview with the bankroller of The Claremont Institute last year. In short, Eastman thought John Robert’s might be hesitant over what he called “the riots angle,” by which he meant that Roberts might be hesitant to help them steal the election because there might be mass rioting in reaction to stealing the election. That is a reasonable concern, as far as it goes. But the structure of Eastman’s reasoning is notable. He portrays it as part of Democrats’ habit of resorting to rioting and civil disorder to get their way. He focuses less on the fact that his anticipated civil disorder is in response to his gang’s presumably successful effort use legal chicanery and his Supreme Court buddies to keep Trump in office after losing the election. For him it’s just another expression of Democrats’ penchant for lawlessness, which perversely pre-justifies his effort to throw out the results of the election. If Democrats weren’t so lawless maybe we wouldn’t have to steal the election. Eastman continues to be quite a piece of work.

  5. Uh oh. Sengenberger not a fan of Tine Peters….nor of GOP Chair Williams' support of her. From the Gazette:

    Let’s be real: Tina Peters is no hero. Whether she’s convicted of her grave charges rests with the jury, but it doesn’t take a jury to know that Peters is guilty of pathetically unethical conduct and an utter betrayal of her constituents as county clerk. All it takes is common-sense and a conscience.

    So that is the word from a conservative writer, in a conservative Republican-owned and leaning publication. Ouch.

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