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December 21, 2023 12:07 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Justice is truth in action.”

–Benjamin Disraeli

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  1. Colorado Republican Party must be doing a happy dance to the tune “we’re in the money.”

    The FEC filing for November is up here.

    the amazingly different number for the month:
    (c) Total Receipts (from line 19) $407,468.97

    [in draft, I could paste in a table … when I saved, table format was gone, making the data hard to follow. ]

    1. They should be able to fundraise off the COSCT's decision.  But it'll be interesting to see whether these clowns are bright enough to capitalize on it they way a sane party leadership would.  With Dave Williams at the helm, I wouldn't bet on it. 

  2. Interesting column from Maggie Haberman today reflecting on how Trump has turned victimhood into political and financial capital.  Cesspool politics that goes back to the 1950's

    Regardless of the eventual outcome, Trump’s team made quick work of trying to turn it into another galvanizing moment of victimhood. Their approach echoed something Trump’s oldest mentor, the ruthless lawyer and fixer Roy M. Cohn, who battled prosecutors himself, once said.

    “I bring out the worst in my enemies,” Cohn once told the columnist William Safire, “and that’s how I get them to defeat themselves.”

  3. As Biden's poll numbers head for the gutter and Democratic operatives are in a panic mode over a Biden candidacy (like David Axelrod and others), and Trump is now besting Biden in national polls and even some key swing states, the situation continues to deteriorate for Biden.

    Not only is Biden losing ground among black voters, obviously a crucial voting block for Democrats, but a New York Times/ Siena College poll released just a few days ago showed Trump ahead of Biden by 6 points among registered voters under 30.

    In 2020, Biden crushed Trump by 24 points among the under-30s, according to the main exit poll — and still won just a narrow electoral college victory. 

    The new poll cannot be dismissed as an outlier either. An NBC News survey last month showed a very similar pattern, with voters under 35 favoring Trump by 4 points, 46 percent to 42 percent. In addition, polling over the past several months indicate a large majority of registered Democrats do not want Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee for president in 2024. But with filing deadlines imminent, Joe Biden is what they'll get, and some Dems my opt to stay home election day or vote for a third party, i.e. RFK Jr.

     

      1. Yep. I don’t get it. I don’t like Biden but to think that the “Biden sucks” mentality can lead to “Trump is my man” for some voters is insane to me. The stakes are really high. If this was Biden versus some moderate Republican or even close to tolerable right-wing candidate like Haley, I honestly wouldn’t be that concerned if the Republican won. But that’s not what’s going to happen. It’s a boring, lackluster, neo-liberal Democrat vs a far-right fascist demagogue Republican. Surveys have consisted shown that most voters believe Republicans want to ban abortion nationwide and that they are against it, yet a large chunk of them will happily support Republicans anyway. This sentiment can be duplicated to other social and poliitical issues. Make it make sense. The problem we have is that Dems will not bother to vote in 2024 or vote for third party candiates, which will be a disaster because it’s obvious if they did, at least Dem candidates will do fine to really great in congressional or local races even if Biden loses. Let’s be real, the economy will still be shit during Trump’s administration and most voters will again be disappointed with their presidential selection. And the cycle will continue. I just hope for God’s sake that Trump doesn’t burn everything down with him by that time.

      2. This has nothing to do with curing cancer and everything to do with young people being against unwavering support for genocide in Gaza. If you want to blame someone for the downfall of democracy, blame the guy who ignores every poll and pledges unwavering support (using the tax dollars of those young people) for Israel's actions no matter how obviously heinous.

        1. You have a good point Joe Burly. I caught an interview with younger voters on NBC news this week, and their main issue with Biden was his support for what Israel is doing.

        2. Well said. After the drubbing Biden gets in next year's election, the Dems will need to rethink their position on the Palestinians and Israel.

          Like Nixon going to China, maybe Trump will get a better deal for the Palestinians. He has a lot of cred with Bibi. And he has friends in the Arab world (well, MBS). Stranger things have been known to happen.

    1. This just more proof that Biden is just a bad candidate and that national and establishment Dems refuse to learn from 2016, apparently they want a 2nd Trump administration just as much as the orange man himself. Seeing the significant victories Democrats have acheived since 2022 (often by large margins), voters seem to side with Dems in more issues than not. 2024 should of been a cake walk but yet again, national Dems don’t seem to care and want to advance their boring and frankly failing candidates. The issue is that many Dems will skip the election or vote for a thrid-party. If I didn’t know the stakes of the election, I would also be tempted to vote third-party and just skip the election all together. Unfortuanetly, many voters, even Dem ones, aren’t like me and will do just that regardless.

      As for the polls with Biden losing ground to Trump among many types of voters, let’s not over exaggerate. Biden is just a crummy politician and since everyone seems to have forgotten how awful Trump was, this is no suprise. But let’s not pretend that this means a new political realignment in where most voters are now MAGA-loving Trump supporting Republican diehards. Obama won in 2008 and 2012 by capturing the votes of many voters who weren’t traditionally Democrats. Despite this, his presidency witnessesed Dems losing power throughout the nation and Republicans making inroads in areas they never had before. Atop of that, by the time Trump came to the scene, many of these types of voters Dems thought they had as allies becasue of Obama reverted back to the Republican column, often with a vengeance. All this despite Obama’s relative popularity and Trump’s consistenly low ratings. In conclusion, while these polls show a dark reality of what may happen in 2024, this almost certainity does not mean Trump is popular, that most voters are are now MAGA cultists who actually hate abortion or equality, or that the GOP will see sweeping victories past 2024. 

      1. "2024 should of (sic) been a cakewalk"

        Am I misunderstanding you here? Are you suggesting the election outcome is a fait accompli? Over before it starts, eh? 

        You sound like a concern troll.

      1. Dave, not really.  As legal experts on this site have already noted, you can’t discharge willful and malicious defamation judgments.  But it is a negotiating tactic in an attempt to have them settle for less.  The guy is 79 years old, so they might want an upfront lump sum instead of giving him a perpetual payment plan.

        “I have probably something like $10, $11 million in assets,” Giuliani went on to say. “I have probably about $1 million in debt, which means I’m up $9, $10 million.”

        Legal analysts say going bankrupt wouldn’t get Giuliani out of paying the women. On the night the jury returned its verdict against Giuliani, the former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan Barbara McQuade said on MSNBC that debts for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress cannot be eliminated through bankruptcy.

        However, he could attempt to re-litigate whether his conduct was, in the words of bankruptcy law, “willful and malicious.” Such a fight would take place before a bankruptcy judge and could allow Giuliani to delay payment or negotiate a post-verdict settlement, experts said before Howell issued the order demanding that Giuliani pay the women immediately.

      2. I thought I read that Rudy couldn't discharge court damages in a bankruptcy ….

        Checking, I find WAPO explaining

        But declaring bankruptcy likely will not erase the $148 million in damages a jury awarded to the former Georgia election workers, Ruby Freeman and Wandrea' “Shaye” Moss. Bankruptcy law does not allow for the dissolution of debts that come from a “willful and malicious injury” inflicted on someone else.3 hours ago

        1. Since these are damages for intentional torts, they are not dischargeable in bankruptcy, though rudy may be able to relitigate some issues in an adversary proceeding in bankruptcy court.  Exactly what and how is outside my expertise.  I'd like to see a good analysis from a bankruptcy expert.  

           

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