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November 07, 2023 08:23 AM UTC

Election Day 2023 Open Thread #1

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Nobody ever won an election by spitting at his political opponents.”

–David Frum

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22 thoughts on “Election Day 2023 Open Thread #1

  1. The Retribution Tour. Marcy Wheeler at EmptyWheel.

    Trump is in many cases the gateway drug to radical extremism, something that has shown up over and over in January 6 cases. People respond to something in Trump and then, because Trump’s networks include large numbers of right wing extremists, their ideology gains traction where they might otherwise not. And then the cultural coding of retribution starts to resonate.

    It’s urgent, because whether or not Trump wins election, if he primes his mob to embrace political violence again, January 6 will look like elementary school recess. On January 6, many people were armed, but even the ones who brought guns — and plenty did — kept them holstered. That won’t be true the next time.

    1. Trump and the radical right use the same tactics as Mussolini, Hitler and others of their ilk.  MAGA – The past was perfect, "they" have taken it away and I'm the only one who can restore perfection. 

      The keys: "us vs them"…chaos…backing by oligarchs…attract less educated cultists… 

    2. I've seen scenarios where small groups produce guns and try to make a statement. It is stupid — American law enforcement is well armed, has well-established tactics, and is backed by a HUGE majority of citizens.    Yes, there could be casualties on both sides of an armed struggle.  But eventually, police forces win. 

      If you doubt the sentiments of the citizenry — compare the number of mourners at a funeral for an officer (ANY officer) killed in a shootout with the number at a member of the group opposing law & order.

       

  2. Latest Sec of State report from 11:30 p.m. last night – Colorado has cracked the million mark in ballots turned in (super sarcastic slow clap) but that's only about 26% of active registered voters. Probably nobody remembers the American gymnast McKayla Maroney, but I'm doing her "not impressed" facial expression right now.

  3. Look who’s back…

    $12 million just doesn’t go as far as it used to.

    Palin Seeks To Revive Defamation Suit Against NYT

    Lawyers for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin asked the Second Circuit on Monday afternoon to revive her twice-dismissed defamation suit against The New York Times over a 2017 editorial that linked her to a mass shooting in Tucson, Arizona.

    For a trip down memory lane:

    No connection has been made between this graphic and the Arizona shooting, but it has put the Palin team somewhat on the defensive. Rebecca Mansour, a spokesperson for SarahPac, told conservative commentator Tammy Bruce, “We never imagined, it never occurred to us that anybody would consider it violent.” Insisting she was speaking for herself, and not on behalf of Palin, Mansour added, “We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights.”

    However, following the initial controversy over the “crosshairs” last year, Palin issued her now oft repeated rallying cry, “Don’t retreat. RELOAD.”

    1. Republicans: Let's stop re-hashing the past. 

      Also Republicans: Can we talk about this thing that happened 6 years ago that most people forgot about that makes me look bad? But let's not just talk about. Let's have court cases over it.

      Also Republicans: Liberals are such snowflakes with their woke political correctness. Say anything that offends them and they'll tell you it offends them. That's bad. Liberals are dumb.

      Also Republicans: Say things that offend me and I'll keep trying to sue you for at least 6 years.

      FFS.

  4. Thanks for voting, Polsters. For everyone else, just vote down ballot. It's not too late to take five minutes to research your school board candidates. A blank vote, on the other hand, is likely a vote for right-wing extremists!

  5. Speaker Mike (without a “T”) Johnson’s leadership skills seem to be attempting to push a rope uphill.

    House Republicans entered a closed-door conference meeting Tuesday morning hoping to find some consensus on a spending plan. Instead, they came out more confused — with only 10 days left until a potential shutdown.

    “There’s too many ideas right now, which is fine — the speaker wants us to have an open forum to debate it,” said Rep. Richard McCormick (R-Ga.). “But now there’s so many ideas, we have to figure out how to whittle it down.”

    Other lawmakers were more direct. One GOP member, granted anonymity to speak frankly, called the meeting a “train wreck,” while Rep. Drew Ferguson (R-Ga.) described the path forward as “clear as mud.”

     

    1. The shutdown is a done deal.  

      It will happen.

      Johnson is perceived to be a leader who can get things done because he can actually get something passed in the House regardless of whether it ever gets through the Other Chamber or passed the President’s veto stamp.

      He is considered successful because he can bring together the traditional conservatives, the Tea Party conservatives, the MAGA folk, and the miscellaneous garden variety crackpots in the GOP.

      1. The shutdown is intentional.

        These are the same Republicans who supported the January 6 insurrection. Their goal is aggressive/transgressive, dominance politics. 

        Be prepared for weeks and months of it.

        1. Of course, it is intentional. 

          Whether it is because they do not get their way on defunding the IRS, or because Trump did not ger money for his fucking wall, or Gingrich had a hissy fit over being told to exit Air Force One from the back of plane, it is always intentional.

          The one nice thing to remember:  has there ever been a shutdown during the past 30 years for which voters blamed the Democrats? 

          They keep doing the same thing over and over but expect a different result.

      2. The shutdown MAY be intentional … but Seeker Johnson doesn't have a way forward. 

        His "plan" was to pass all of the 12 appropriation bills through the House before the deadline, then offer a short timeline for a Continuing Resolution to negotiate with the Senate, and have a "conservative" spending plan passed to Biden to sign or veto.  See https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/25/congress/johnsons-proposed-schedule-house-speaker-gop-00123462 for the details.

        Today, Roll Call's article's headline is:  "House GOP zeroing in on two-step stopgap bill or January CR"  The article goes on to discuss a myriad set of possible approaches — and makes it clear there is no specific plan coming out of the House leadership yet.  There is no plan at all that doesn't have poison pills as part of it.

         

         

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