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March 20, 2023 07:24 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Delay in justice is injustice.”

–Walter Savage Landor


24 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Good morning.

    These are momentous times we inhabit, my friends. It is a fascinating time in world history. The realignment of world power and influence following the end of the Cold War has reached a nexus.

    Has the democracy experiment ended? Is autocracies' ascendence unstoppable? Will Milton Friedmans' Free Market prevail and unleash the Age of Billionaires? Does Keynesian, developmental democracy stand a chance to resist the top-down tyranny of wealth?

    Closer to home..

    Does anyone besides CHB believe there is hope for the Colorado GOP to remain a viable, majority party? And if so…please describe how and by whom that will be accomplished?


    1. For so long as Republicans choose to hug the radical reactionary bear they're going to retain their California-like near-dead status in this state. And that is what their activist base demands — purity is better than victory. It will take a near-miraculous eye-opening of the base to turn things around.

      Sorry, CHB — I was a NY Republican before I moved here at the turn of the century; the state of the state GOP was obvious to me then, and it's only followed its basest instincts down the drain since that time.

    2. To take a stab at Duke's final question: first, I think the current CO GOP is so deep in the shitter that they can't even think about becoming a majority party for a long time. But they can chip away at a few things and put themselves in a better position, assuming most of these potential factors go down:

      Democratic overconfidence; running reasonably qualified GOP candidates instead of the clown-car-crazies; Dems running weaker candidates for top offices; economic emergencies (which tend to hurt majority parties); giving more than lip service to dropping the worst parts of their general platform; credible consequences stemming from Dem legislation; excessive ideological splintering of the overall Dem membership; and both-siderism from the media that soft-soaps the worst actions and statements of GOP officials.

      1. Fortunately, you Dems have Governor Polis and generally sane D House and Senate leadership riding herd on any stupid McGovern and Bernie style outbreaks that might come out of the hard core progressives in the legislature.

        1. It wouldn't matter because with TABOR, anything the hard left wants to spend $$$ on must be approved by the voters. In other words, it's now safe to elect the hard-core progressives to the legislature.

          I voted against what was known as Amendment 1 (i.e., TABOR) back in 1992. But I've since grown to appreciate it.

  2. Tomorrow may be the first time a former president faces criminal charges. Pretty big day. That former president also fancies himself as a kind of dictator or strongman who is above the law. Tomorrow very well may be a good day for democracy Duke! 

    I can still smell the projection from "lock her up!". As they say, with these folks every accusation is a confession.

    1. Historic and precedent setting. Up until Ttump, in the past, we’ve had¬†American Presidents who¬†were competent enough to always manage to avoid criminal indictment by getting others¬†to perform, hide, or take the fall for their illegal activity.

      Of course, previous Presidents’ crimes were relatively few and far between, at most a handful per administration, whereas Ttump is a criminal enterprise, and a crime tsunami.

      1. You're forgetting Nixon, who escaped impeachment and probable indictment by the seat of his pants, and the grace of his successor. I understand why Ford let him off, but if he'd let Nixon twist in the wind, The Screaming Yam might not have tried so hard to emulate him. 

        1. Yep. Nixon was a crook and a liar, and he was also much smarter than, and had far more scruples than, TFG. 

          Nixon was at least afraid of his being caught; Ttump believes he’s too magnificent to be held accountable.

        2. Also forgetting Warren G. Harding who was president; before he died in office; when the Teapot Dome scandal was breaking. I'd have to read up on his administration before drawing any conclusions.


    2. I'm not sure it will be tomorrow at this rate. The NY grand jury is meeting with a "bad character" witness vs. Cohen today; that's probably a sign that Cohen's testimony is an important part of the case that the DA needs to hold up. Cohen says he'll be on-hand for follow-ups to that testimony. That puts the jury's work up toward the end of the day, which pushes votes on indictments out to late today or likely tomorrow. Then they have to file the charges and file for a warrant… Going to be a tight squeeze to hit a Tuesday deadline. It won't go past this week IMHO, though.

      1. Slight modification to my timeline based on new reporting. Late today or Wednesday for an indictment, not Tuesday. (Jury off on Tuesday?) Also, apparently negotiations for surrender before seeking a warrant. So Trump could turn himself in on Tuesday if the indictment issues today. But it's Trump; chances are better than zero that he chooses to make this difficult.

        1. NY Times had a nice piece about what happens to Ron DeSantis if Trump does not agree to turn himself in. (Spoiler alert:  it places DeSantis in an "awkward position" if he is sent an extradition request from NY.)

          1. DeSantis reportedly said today that he would not block an extradition. And they've been trading blows about various sexual misadventures the other may or may not have committed. Let the not-so-friendly fire roll.

    3. I doubt an indictment comes tomorrow.  DA is not going to do this on Trump's schedule, nor are they going to perp walk him if he is indicted (nor should they).  They'll negotiate a surrender, quick booking, and release with Trump's counsel.  They don't have to make this a circus just because Trump wants to. 

  3. House GOP requests Manhattan DA’s testimony as they seek to discredit investigation into Trump

    Funny how the GOP only wants the "big, mean, inefficient, corrupt, etc., etc." Federal Government to stay out of state and local issues except for when state or local governments are doing things the GOP doesn't like. Cuz then? Then the GOP will bring the full weight of the Federal Government down on you as fast as they can!

    "Small government" my ass!

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