Anti-Muslim Filmmaker Outed as Alleged Coptic Christian Crook Nakoula Bassely Nakoula

Update (thanks to BlueCat): Oh, and he’s also a meth cooker.

Who made the film, “Innocence of Muslims,” that stirred up protests so violent they cost America’s ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, who was enormously popular with Libyans, his life?

Yesterday, that man was “Sam Bacile,” who described himself as a Jew who had raised $5 million for the film from wealthy Israeli donors.

Today, the Associated Press has identified “Bacile” as Nakoula Bassely Nakoula, a Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes including federal bank fraud. Convicted in 2010, sentenced to 21 months and nearly $800,000 restitution, and ordered to avoid using computers for five years without permission from his parole officer, Nakoula apparently still managed to post his inflammatory video clip on YouTube. As recently as Tuesday, the AP says, “Sam Bacile” was still posting angry comments on YouTube.

The AP describes Nakoula’s crimes in detail:

Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams said Nakoula set up fraudulent bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers, then checks from those accounts would be deposited into other bogus accounts from which Nakoula would withdraw money at ATM machines.

It was “basically a check-kiting scheme,” the prosecutor told the AP. “You try to get the money out of the bank before the bank realizes they are drawn from a fraudulent account. There basically is no money.”

Nakoula, apparently a seasoned con artist, didn’t stop at defrauding banks, or even at parole violations. He even scammed the actors and crew members who helped him make the movie which cost four Americans their lives. According to cast and crew members, Nakoula (in his “Sam Bacile” persona) cast them in a movie that did not include a Mohammed character and was not anti-Muslim:

The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.

An actress in the film, talking to Gawker’s Adrian Chen, claims that all of the film’s offensive dialogue was over-dubbed, not spoken by actors:

“It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago,” Garcia said. “It wasn’t based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn’t anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything.”

In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product, now called Muslim Innocence. Muhammed wasn’t even called Muhammed; he was “Master George,” Garcia said. The word “Muhammed” was dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed.

Nakoula’s scurrilous attempt to blame Jews for his production was yet another lie–in fact, he speaks Arabic (as shown on the “Sam Bacile” account’s YouTube comments) and told his actors he was Egyptian:

Garcia said Bacile told her he was Egyptian on set. Bacile had white hair and spoke Arabic to a number of “dark-skinned” men who hung around the set, she said. (A Bacile associate also told The Atlantic he wasn’t Israeli or Jewish.)

Violent protests also occurred in Egypt, where Coptic Christians like Nakoula were likely endangered along with Americans. Nakoula, a California resident, managed the impressive feat of risking the lives of two sets of his own countrymen in one fell blow.

Christian activist Steve Klein, who was involved with “Innocence of Muslims,” admitted to the AP that he knew “Bacile” was not Jewish, and that numerous individuals from the Middle East were involved with the phone:

About 15 key players from the Middle East – from Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran and a couple Coptic Christians from Egypt – worked on the film, Klein said.

“Most of them won’t tell me their real names because they’re terrified,” Klein said. “He was really scared and now he’s so nervous. He’s turned off his phone.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.

Klein also admitted that Nakoula and Klein knew their film would provoke violence

Klein told the AP that he vowed to help make the movie but warned the filmmaker that “you’re going to be the next Theo van Gogh.” Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

“We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen,” Klein said.

So, let’s put the pieces together:

15 people from the Middle East worked with an Egyptian convicted felon and a Christian paramilitary militia leader on a coordinated project.

They used false names and kept even those who worked with them in the dark about their goals.

Although the main players were Christian and residents of the United States, they attempted to cast blame on Jews and Israel for their work.

They lied about where their money came from and, in at least one case, stole.

They knew as they worked on this project that the likely outcome would be violence, including violence against Americans, and including violence in the home countries of many of the key players.

After completing their work, the main player immediately went into hiding, lied about his age, lied about his nationality, and asked for police protection. Meanwhile, his deputies covered his trail and assisted in his lies.

What about this is not terrorism?

The PATRIOT Act was sold to America as legislation that would give Homeland Security officials the broad authority they needed to capture and punish those who seek to influence American policy by creating chaos, violence, disorder, and destruction. It includes specific provisions to punish those who finance terrorism and those who incite others to commit terrorism. In fact, broader latitude to punish incitement to terrorism was one of the key–and one of the most controversial–facets of the legislation that we were told we needed, without which we were told terrorists could cause the deaths of Americans and walk free.

Nakoula Bassely Nakoula, if he has done all that he is alleged to have done, is a terrorist who knowingly took premeditated action to incite violence against Americans and Christians. Further, he attempted to endanger the lives of Jews and Israelis as well by implicating them in a project that does not appear to have had the involvement of a single Israeli or Jew. Thirdly, he endangered the lives of his own cast and crew by editing his film and dubbing over its audio to make ordinary actors appear to be saying inflammatory and hateful things. This heartless felon and convicted fraudster was willing not only to put at risk his own life (albeit not without a plan to obscure his identity and blame others) but the lives of people who didn’t even know what they were working on.

Sounds like someone we all remember–someone who, like Nakoula, was safely in hiding in another country while his own countrymen died for his hateful and ignorant beliefs. Someone who, like Nakoula, did not hesitate to put others in harms way to protect himself. Someone who, like Nakoula, with premeditation and intent, caused the deaths of Americans. Someone who, thank God, is no longer a threat to the United States or to his own people, having been killed by US Navy Seals.

Homeland Security authorities know where Nakoula is, as he has reportedly requested police protection. One can only hope that the police are also “protecting” this terrorist from fleeing the country before someone reads the USA-PATRIOT Act, notices that he meets every qualification for incitement to terrorism in it, and places him under arrest.  

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  1. Junk Town Junket says:

    Clearly, Nakoula is guilty of stirring up your radical Islamist friends enough to kill the people in the American embasy.  

    America needs to learn to apologize and bow low enough so that more innocent lives won’t be lost.

    The killings will continue until we form better opinions of the Jihadists.

    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

      Nakoula did exactly what Bin Laden did — constructed a premeditated plot to get others to kill Americans while he remained safely in hiding outside the country where his plans would be carried out. He is a terrorist and should be arrested as such.

      Do you enjoy being on the same side as a convicted felon, pathological liar, identity thief, and antisemite?

    • Fidel's dirt nap says:

      there can only be one ” dumbest fucking guy on the blog ”

      h/t sxp

      • Junk Town Junket says:

        Nakoula is guilty of doing what he did in the realm of money laundering, fraud and con.  Your friends are guilty of murder.  Lets get that straight.  

        Personal responsibility is a difficult concept for you to grasp.  I understand.

        • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

          How American of you.

          Osama didn’t fly a plan, fire a gun, or do anything but release a video on 9/11.

          Spread the news: Osama Bin Laden not guilty, according to Junk Town Junket.

          • Junk Town Junket says:

            Osama organized the effort and he taught classes on terrorism.  Besides, Nakoula didn’t make them kill.  He didn’t teach them how and he didn’t ask them to do it.  Your jihadist friends did it in retaliation to being offended.

            However, I believe they had already planned attacks on America for the 9/11 anniversary.  The Obama admin is simply looking for someone else to blame.  This poorly made film seemed to fit the bill.

            And, it they had a great crook scapegoat to blame it on.  There, now you can feel good about your friends that kill Americans – they simply are not resposible for their actions…  crisis averted.

            • dukeco1 says:

              Your jihadist friends

              is the reason I consider you a loathsome jackass. You cannot resist the temptation to cast such ridiculous aspersions because you are dead, fucking, wrong and you can’t admit it.

              You should be ashamed of yourself. You are no better than those oil and gas mouthpieces that refer to environmentalists as terrorists. Fuck you and your spiteful insinuations.  Why don’t you go share your stupidity with all the other cockroaches you call friends.

              • Junk Town Junket says:

                Perhaps my frankness is inciting dukeco1 to violence here.  My bet is that in a real fight (with one of my hands tied behind my back) duke would lose.  

                Since you have resorted to name calling so early in the discussion in a mental fight – I could tie one brain lobe behind my back and win here too.

                So, this dummy is on pretty safe ground saying – bring it!

                • ClubTwitty says:

                  Are you really that stupid?  You have been accusing everyone of being buddies with thugs and terrorists in Libya…

                  People are being restrained, mostly because you are a worthless piece of trash, as your name implies, Junk.

                • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

                  If you want to prove how macho you are, the US still runs an all-volunteer Army. Have you served?

                • dukeco1 says:

                  I do not hide behind a nom de plume, as do you. Bravado is easy to come by when you are nothing but a username.

                  I live in Grand Junction, as you obviously do, judging by your username. Why don’t you come down to Main Street Bagels on Friday, Sept. 28th,at 9:00AM,  and we will just have ourselves a little face to face debate?

                  My name is Duke Cox. I am dedicated to calling assholes like you names and insulting you in any other way I can. If you don’t like it, go cry yourself to sleep. I don’t appreciate being called a friend of jihadists and murderers.

                  At least it’s better than being called a Republican.


                  • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

                    Seriously, I will, if this happens, I am so there.

                  • Junk Town Junket says:

                    At least I have convinced you that the jihadists are the murderers and NOT the guy who made a movie.  We are making progress here.  

                    The rest of the progressives on here believe that movies kill people – not jihadists.

                    Now, lets work on that attitude problem you have…  you and your mental midget friends who meet at Main Street Bagel on Fridays.

                    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

                      Are you meeting Duke or not? I’m not driving out there for you to be a coward and not show.

                    • Junk Town Junket says:

                      I’ll be there.  I will be the guy in jeans and a t-shirt ordering a tall latte.  You can just walk right on over and throw the first punch…

                      And if you get sued – then maybe you can use ProgressiveCowgirl’s defense and say Junk made you do it!  Then, subpoena me – I will be sure and tell the judge I made you do it.  See how that works for ya.

                    • dukeco1 says:

                      I will just kick your ass with the truth. Violence is your bailiwick.  

                    • dukeco1 says:

                      At least I have convinced you that the jihadists are the murderers and NOT the guy who made a movie.  We are making progress here.  

                      so full of shit. The only thing you have convinced me of is that you are a feckless coward. Put up or shut up.

                      The guy who made the movie should fry along with the other murderers involved. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, murdering assholes that they are, should fry with them.  

                    • Junk Town Junket says:

                      I will admit defeat then.

                      You will win the debate where you get to hurl insults at me while your mental midget friends snicker around the table.  You all are so smart… I know your schtick.

                      You win those debates every time, Duke.  You are much more vile and you yell louder than any of us.  However, the rest of us sane people simply laugh at you and your little group of mental midgets at Main Street Bagels.  Problem is – the joke is on you!

                      But just in case – I will show up every Friday – same time you do. I’m wearing a t-shirt with a slogan on it and jeans – just walk right up and start throwing punches.  I promise I won’t press charges.

                    • dukeco1 says:

                      Can’t get away from violence as your MO, huh?

                      And, if you will reread this thread you will note that it is you that keeps talking about a fight. I have only suggested a debate. Violence is the first resort of the ignorant.

                      If you are scared and want to move the debate to a venue you consider neutral, just name it.

                      I can arrange for some TV and radio coverage, if you like.

        • Fidel's dirt nap says:

          but that’s always the way, isn’t it ?  Blame someone else for your shortcomings.

    • GalapagoLarry says:

      Let’s see: The rioters attacked the embassy. Romney attacked the embassy. Both had the same enemy, so Romney is a friend of the rioters?

      Actually, yes. Romney (and you craven shills who support him) is aiding and abetting the religious fanatics who attacked America. Pitiful, if you weren’t so dangerous for our country.

  2. It is being reported on dKos that perhaps Nakoula isn’t the ultimate backer, but rather a cut-out to someone bigger.

    So far that someone appears to be Joseph Nasralla Abdelmasih, the owner of ‘Media for Christ’.  Nasralla was previously in the news for the anti-mosque rallies in New York City.

    According to this research post, it was W4C that applied for the permit to film this movie, originally titled ‘Desert Warrior’.  And Steve Klein, already identified as being a ‘consultant’ on the movie and a defender of it since the attacks, has close ties to W4C as well.

    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

      …AP says that authorities are investigating that the “riots” in Libya were actually premeditated for the 9/11 anniversary.

      Anyone out there (Junk) wanna take me up on a bet? I’m betting that within 5 years at least one of the backers of the film will be found to be affiliated with a known terrorist organization, as defined by the state department. If I win, you go to a mosque with me (it’ll be my first time, too!) and behave politely, say “salaam,” all that. Your move.

      • Junk Town Junket says:

        Under Obama anyone who is a returning vet is a terrorist.  Wouldn’t be prudent to bet on who you or Obama believes is a terrorist.  My guess the only ones that are NOT terrorists are the ones doing the killing.

        • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

          Regardless of this election cycle.

          Or are you already certain a Dem will win in 2016, too?

          • Junk Town Junket says:

            Not certain that there will be elections when you and your jihadist friends are finished.

            • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

              The world’s longest-running democracy can’t survive a presidency that has reduced reliance on foreign oil to a nearly two-decade low, created millions of jobs, and conducted the largest voter registration effort in history?

              I can’t decide if you just don’t believe in America, or if you have way too much faith in Republican voter suppression efforts. Either way, if you want to bet on there being a presidential election in 2016, I’m game for that, too.  

              • Junk Town Junket says:

                Elections like Saddam Hussein was elected in you mean?  He had 100% participation and even his opponent voted for him.  You want me to bet on that?  No thanks.  

              • Barron X says:

                [The Obama] presidency … has reduced reliance on foreign oil to a nearly two-decade low …

                The Gubmint did that ?  

                By drilling oil, cracking it and transporting it ?

                With hydraulic fracturing ?  

                By rationing ?

                By encouraging conservation ?

                Exactly how ?  

                I offer that the President did not make that happen by himself.  In fact, maybe he had very little to do with it.  

                I offer that private industry made that happen, mostly.  And as a result of regulatory changes made by his predecessor, as much as anything this Administration did.  

                Save the campaign BS for your door-knocking.  

  3. BlueCat says:

    Junk is the dumbest.  Second, I agree that the deadly attack in Libya can’t be blamed on an idiot exercising his right to free stupid speech. It’s definitely incendiary but that’s the price we pay for the inevitable intersection, on occasion, of free speech and really awful, hateful, reckless pieces of crap.  In this case the video was used by organized terrorists to forward a planned, not spontaneous, attack using the spontaneous protest as cover.  That’s why it was lethal at that location in Libya while the really grass roots protests in Egypt were not.

    Also, nobody, before after or during, apologized for or excused anything.

    Since when is it wrong for any decent American to deplore vicious attacks on religious faiths? That’s all the  statement ever said. It pretty much said we don’t support hate and insults directed against Muslims.  It didn’t say the guy shouldn’t have the right to say anything he wants to say. It didn’t say that it would justify a violent reaction. Would any rightie be jumping up and down if a US Embassy had issued a statement deploring anti-Semitism? Of course not.

    And finally, The Daily Beast is reporting on this moron’s criminal background as a meth dealer:…  

    • Junk Town Junket says:

      I am glad this dummy could help you think it through BlueCat.  

      • BlueCat says:

        I’ll take another look. Could have sworn….

      • BlueCat says:

        We have a fundamental disagreement on who used the film for what. It was the attackers who used it to stir up a diversion, not the Obama administration using it as a scapegoat.

        Neither Obama, HRC, nor anyone at any of the regions US embassies has said anything close to blaming what happened on the that video instead of on the terrorist perps. They have said the opposite over and over.  Once again, you can deplore a piece of crap without using it as an excuse and Obama has not once come close to using it as an excuse.

        And thanks, but I don’t need your help or anyone else’s to think things through, putz.

      • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

        You can say “I” and “me” here. You don’t have to refer to yourself as “this unworthy one” or “this dummy.”

    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

      Just researched this yesterday — IANAL (though the President is!) but my understanding is that if the speech is INTENDED to provoke violence AND is likely to provoke actual violence, it is not protected speech.

      So, yelling “Shoot him!” to your neighbor with a gun as a man he hates walks by is not protected speech, but yelling, “Hey, Larry, there goes that shithead again!” is.

      A preponderance of evidence indicates that this convicted felon acted with the active intent to provoke violence. Another piece of evidence in favor of that theory: He said he hoped to attract “Islamic radicals” to his California screening of the movie. Why would he want to show it to not just Muslims, but the most radicalized Muslims he could find, other than to incite violence?

      That said, I agree with nearly all of what you said there — and I’m being a little tongue-in-cheek in places. As you know, I think the USA-PATRIOT Act should be put through an industrial strength shredder and studiously erased from all history books. But if we have to have it, the text of the legislation gives Homeland Security the clear authority to charge Nakoula with terrorism.

      • BlueCat says:

        Sorry.  You can be sued for slander but the bar is high. Now if he is found to have a direct tie to the attackers and it can be proved that he participated in the coordinated plot, that would be different.

        If not, you’re allowed to shout Islam (or Christianity or Judaism, etc) is a gutter religion and Imams (or prophets or priests or rabbis or whatever) are all degenerates all day long and, if you aren’t in violation of any noise ordinance or something, no one can  do much about it.

        • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

          A film that is never actually released and ONLY used to stir up violent riots gets multinational backing and is worth hiding his identity and lying to the entire cast and crew?

          Maybe I’m paranoid, but all roads seem to lead to intentional incitement of terrorism, which the government seems to be investigating as they are now saying the riots may have been not spontaneous protests but a premeditated attack coinciding with the 9/11 anniversary.

          Dude is making terrorist recruitment propaganda on US soil using American actors without their knowledge. His buddies are making sure that the right people see the film and encouraging them to attack Americans. JMHO, but I betcha anything that’s how it turns out.

          • BlueCat says:

            it will come out. At least it will with the present team in charge. Team Obama is pretty  good at this stuff.

            Romney still carrying on about how he won’t sacrifice American values. Guess he thinks that film represents American values.  He can’t be complaining about freedom of speech being violated because nobody’s has. And he can’t be complaining about sympathizing with the terrorists because nobody’s done that either.  That just leaves insulting people’s beliefs so guess that’s the value he’s so concerned about.  

  4. Half Glass Full says:

    It’s about the worst movie ever made: makes “Plan 9 from Outer Space” look like “North by Northwest” by comparison.

    The actress who claims the movie was dubbed after the fact to include derogatory references to Muhammad was obviously right. It’s incredibly easy to hear the ridiculously bad dubbing as you watch an Ashton Kutcher-like lead actor suddenly drop two octaves whenever he calls himself Muhammad.

    • Barron X says:

      after it was dubbed into Arabic and posted to You Tube.  

      ALL OF THE ENGLISH DIALOGUE was removed and replaced.  

      There was no change in Master George’s voice, by two octaves, when his voice actor replacement guy spoke in Arabic.  

      Ever watch Jackie Chan in “Drunken Master ?”

      Originally filmed in Chinese, dubbed into English.  

      If it had been dubbed over in Chinese to change the plot or whatever, I never would know that, watching it in the English dubbed version.  

  5. Half Glass Full says:

    It is clearly not geared towards getting anyone to dislike Islam who currently might be neutral or favorable. It has one purpose and one purpose only: to provoke exactly the type of reaction it got.

    This Nakoula is scum and should be brought to justice. I can’t believe anyone on this forum would waste two seconds of time supporting or defending him.

    • Barron X says:

      the movie was intended to insult Islam, that’s all.  You do know the history that Copts have with Muslims, huh ?

      It was supposed to be funny, and was supposed to appeal to my neighbors who worry about having Sharia Law imposed in Somalia Springs.  

      It was made in English, after all.  

      Dubbing it into Arabic looks like an afterthought.  

      • This film was shown at a theater in Los Angeles back in June of this year.  Misleading (natch) promo flyers were distributed, with the intent of “flushing out the Islamic cells within the city”.

        These guys are certifiable.

      • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

        But I think it’ll turn out more my way than yours. They initially tried to provoke Islamic terrorism on US soil by attempting to attract “Islamic cells” to an English-language screening in LA. Got no bites. Plan B was to distribute it via YouTube, which got bites — interestingly enough, coinciding with the 9/11 anniversary and apparently enough evidence of a premeditated attack that the authorities are already investigating the riots as such.

        We’ll see how it goes. Perhaps, in the words of “Harold and Kumar Go to Guantanamo Bay,” he’s not a terrorist, just an idiot. But a meth-addled bank fraudster and identity thief doesn’t fall into the company of militiamen and an international coalition of radical Arab Christians for no reason. Either he was a useful idiot, or he planned the whole business; either way, they clearly intended to provoke violence.

  6. RavenDawg says:

    Is Romney still backing this guy’s right to free speech???

    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

      Sounds like it cost business and the government at least a few million, between his meth dealing and his identity theft and bank fraud.

      So I guess Romney would have to defend his really fucking expensive speech 🙂

      Hmm, that’s an interesting question. Will a flip-flopping Republican 1%-er nominee put Islamophobia over the interests of banks?

  7. Diogenesdemar says:

    reading the comment exchanges on this diary, I was just struck by the sick thought that DavidT may have been correct . . .

    And, on that terribly sad note, I think I’ll fix me a very large and very strong drink . . . or three.  

    • dukeco1 says:

      If my vituperation, as directed at neo-con trolls like JTJ has offended you, I am sorry for that. I have enormous respect for you, and I regret that my habit of laying into these idiots may make some of the more gentle souls who post here uncomfortable.

      I made, some time ago, a conscious and willful decision to call these guys out when they start using that “liberals as terrorists” rhetoric. You may note that Republican36, Craig, and other conservatives who keep it real, are spared my adolescent needling.

      I will offer the same apology to other posters who don’t understand or are troubled by the antagonism. But… I intend to keep calling out the asshats for being asshats. It’s a dirty job… but Ralphie is gone, so…

  8. Aristotle says:

    I was pretty surprised to see 50 comments, but it looks like Junk is responsible for about 35 of them.

    Heh heh… People who inflame violence and murder aren’t responsible for it, eh? There’s a whole body of law that stands in direct opposition to that notion, Junk.

  9. parsingreality says:

    Some hours before this became established, I’m reasonably sure that I heard on some NPR show that this scumbag was kicked out of Egypt and held dual citizenship with the US.  

    Anyone heard anything on these matters?

    If true, I suggest we do some “Extraordinary Rendition,” fly him over Egypt or Libya and push him out the door with a parachute.

    Heck, let’s keep it simple.  Someplace in middle America.

  10. Aggie says:

    This is, without a doubt, the most idiotic diary in the history of C-Pols.

    • I think, actually, this is one of the more informative diaries to be FP’d lately.

      The more people dig, the more people find a bunch of radical anti-Islamic Christians behind this fraudulently produced “film”.  So far our cast of characters for the “making of” documentary includes:

      Steve Klein (the militiaman) – radical anti-Islamic trainer of Christian warriors

      Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (the front man) – took the credit under a pseudonym

      Joseph Nasralla Abdelmasih (the producer) – applied for the filming permit, provided the studio; owner of Media For Christ

      Morris Sadek (the promoter) – sent links to the YouTube video to Egyptian media

      Terry Jones (the reverend) – burner of Korans, promoted the movie

      The recent “15 Arabs were involved” is interesting. All except Jones in this list are involved with extremist Arab Christians; all except Jones and Klein ARE extremist Arab Christians. Perhaps the 15 Arabs quote is correct; if so what other interesting people does that bring in to the mix?

    • GalapagoLarry says:

      It’s currently topical, thoroughly researched, well written, informative and clarifying and stimulative — what the hell is doing on CPols? Stunning, indeed.

    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

      Pen your take on a current event aligned with the topic of this blog, and, provided it’s coherent and proofread, I’ll gladly front-page it.

  11. rocco says:

    Same United States Military experience for both thee state side commandos.


    Like mittens.  

  12. DeeRogers says:

    I, too, look forward to the arrest of Mr. Sam Bacile, NBN, or whomever he calls himself today.

    I wish more media would follow up on this thread so we can learn more about this as it unfolds. Especially now that Mitt Romney has publicly linked this act, revealed to be a calculated, planned, and coordinated terrorist action, to “American Values.”


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